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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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the old wifenheimer is up on the roof reshingling in 140mph wind

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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Polo-Rican posted:

If we get another Sandy in the next 5 years all of the repairs they've done will be wiped out because they've done literally nothing in terms of damage prevention.

anyways I can imagine a scenario happening where an unlucky hurricane year basically wipes out the mass transit of most east coast cities for a decade, which would tank the economy big time

reminder that SUPERSTORM sandy was sub-category 1 and that an actual hurricane would bring with it a much more considerable storm surge than what flooded nyc and jersey

and yeah the mta hasn't meaningfully improved their sites to withstand any future flooding beyond just putting in a buncha watertight doors, to say nothing for other critical infrastructure

it's a huge problem, tho depressingly not that surprising - fema was still doing katrina work in new orleans in 2013

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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The Muppets On PCP posted:

hey guys don't forget in addition to the hog lagoon slurry, coal ash, phosphate-heavy agricultural runoff, and algal blooms, there's dupont's genx chemical spills plus whatever the gently caress's in the water at the marine bases that gave all those people cancer for several decades

remember how chemical plants and storage got flooded last year in harvey and texas went all "state law says we don't hafta tell you what was in there lol"

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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zegermans posted:

Sandy existed because a hurricane corpse hosed a nor'ester and jizzed all over NY/NJ, it wasn't just a hurricane.

it wasn't a hurricane at all by that point, it was a tropical depression, and the point is that a storm with hurricane-force winds would do significantly more damage to the area's critical infrastructure at its current shamefully low level of preparation which is a much bigger problem than people seem to realize

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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yeah a storm that powerful has a hard time sustaining itself and can lose organization

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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The Muppets On PCP posted:

that eric holthaus guy is like the louise mensch of hurricane fetishists

he thinks the storms are named after real people?

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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death to america

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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lol it's gonna erase myrtle beach and make that season of eastbound and down even funnier

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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i hope this storm finally makes the north carolina government recognize sea level rise

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Agean90 posted:

insanely owns that a huge chunk of the Carolinas' will get covered in radioactive pig poo poo water that also has coal ash in it and that since it's happening 2 months before elections they won't be able to get any of the shits responsable out.

the coal ash is also radioactive

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Phone posted:

the nc legislature will either make it illegal to be a victim of a hurricane or make it illegal to vote if you were in a hurricane

probably both

you're forgetting the option that ray "chocolate city" nagin chose after katrina where you just send out voting machines to the places outta state where your population displaced to

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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bollig posted:

for the record you should not tape your windows

yep for real don't tape your windows

nail up a big sheet of OSB if you're concerned about wind/debris to keep the thing from shattering in the first place

but taping your windows just makes them more dangerous if they break because the shards will be much larger

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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FlamingLiberal posted:

The last place I would want to be is on the second story of a condo on the water during an incoming Cat 4/5

you've just gotta make sure to bring an axe or hatchet up there with you so that you can chop through the roof when necessary

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Doorknob Slobber posted:

if 99% of every hurricane has taught me anything its that by the time the storm actually hits the coast it'll probably weaken to a cat 2 and everyone will be like 'shouldnt have evacuated lol'

lol my dumber friends in new orleans always say this

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:

I know one dipshit who's like on his way to virginia beach for a beach trip today

"it's in zone b", he says, "we won't get the brunt of it"

he's going to die.

hurricane surfin braaaah

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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XMNN posted:

has anyone worked out what America did to incur god's wrath yet?

is it gay marriage?

ray nagin implied in his chocolate city speech that it was god punishing america for invading iraq

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

93 inches of rain. lol

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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oh good regional fast food chat

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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gently caress You And Diebold posted:

whatever happened with chuds thinking FEMA was an illuminati plot to enslave humanity? is that over now that the president is white again

yep just like jade helm

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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that's true but after katrina they really went nuts with the fema camps and coffin trains

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

wait hold on. never found? were they eaten?

people were also driving around indiscriminately shooting minorities in the katrina aftermath, including cops

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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On August 5, 2011, a federal jury in New Orleans convicted five police officers of myriad charges related to the cover-up and deprivation of civil rights.[4] An attorney for the Justice Department described it as "the most significant police misconduct prosecution [in the U.S.] since the Rodney King beating case".[5] The convictions were vacated on September 17, 2013, however, because of prosecutorial misconduct, and a new trial was ordered.[6] The Justice Department appealed the decision to vacate the convictions,[7] but a federal appeals court agreed that a new trial was warranted.[8] However, on April 20, 2016; the five former officers pleaded guilty to various charges related to the shooting, and in return received reduced sentences ranging from three to 12 years.[9]

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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yep and they'll never be prosecuted

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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tbf the previous mayor of new orleans mitch landrieu successfully ran on calling the justice department in to clean house at the nopd

he then went on to spearhead the confederate statue removals months before the nazis murdering that lady in charlottesville shamed other cities into doing it


really the problems are the exurbs outside of the city where it becomes just a sea of white flight. the last census map is crazy it's just this unbroken ring of white people

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Wait were they shooting cops? Cause I'm glad something good came from that lovely situation.

Also with the unprecedented destruction that is surely to be wrought by the hurricane currently known as "Florence" in the states of South Carolina and Georgia, I petition to have the name changed to Hurricane Sherman, then the name can be retired.

no the cops decided to join in on the brown people murder and got caught executing people on danziger bridge


basically outside the city it wasn't uncommon for white people to reenact their favorite zombie apocalypse scenarios except the zombies were just minorities

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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it was an entirely plausible lie until he got caught being nowhere near the south for katrina iirc

also he claimed to be on top of the superdome shooting people which was the designated refuge of last resort lol

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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oh yeah and he said that he did that as part of an active duty deployment lmao

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Al! posted:

[etches a mother of four carrying a soggy loaf of bread into the stock of my rifle]

lol

and yeah it's not at all legal to shoot looters anywhere

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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that and how during a state of emergency trespassing isn’t really a thing

*shoots fema rescue worker searching houses for living people & corpses*

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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PostNouveau posted:

He let the city's water board fall into a deep state of hosed-up-ness.

If his term had ended right after his Confederate monument speech, he would have left office revered. But he had like a whole nother year left and everyone found out how hosed the pumping system is and how crooked the water board was and now the city hates him.

in addition to just handing out paychecks for sinecure positions instead of paying maintenance workers they found that employees and been stealing brass meant for water valves and fittings for years and years

and even caught dozens of them who had managed to get city hall to issue them handicap tags so they could park anywhere lmao

just the pettiest poo poo

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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it's really amazing how bad of a rep louisiana public employees have

never forget the OGs

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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it's really weird that they're reusing the storm name isaac

i thought the rule was that if it killed (american) people they retired the name

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Duscat posted:

lol why don't you go fly a confederate flag about it

huh? ACE employs almost all civilians

barely any of them are troops, mostly it's locals like any other government department

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Duscat posted:

gonna run out of names in about 10 years with that rule

we'll just let those kids in a montana elementary school come up with more if that happens

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Duscat posted:

i was just lolling at a red state whining that the federal government didn't do enough to protect them, but i guess this is not really the time and place for it

oh lol no the army corp of engineers straightup built poo poo wrong and then tried to hide it during the investigation afterward

like they knowingly undermined floodwall structures and built to incorrectly low heights and whatnot, poo poo was crazy


but yeah afterward congress just absolutely dumped money into the new floodworks because whoops new orleans is kind of an important port

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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cat 5 is open-ended because when you get wind that fast it causes total structural failure

there's no upper limit because that's not the point


basically only concrete structures have a chance against it, and even then the exposure level of the structure is meaningful

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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Vox Nihili posted:

Even a pretty big category 5 wouldn't knock down skyscrapers or anything.

no but it'll shred all the windows which is a problem when the entire building's envelope is made of glass

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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here's what 100mph wind did to a building in miami during hurricane wilma



they're not ideal storm shelters

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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twoday posted:

lol nope, just wind speed, that’s why a lot of people die when a hurricane gets downgraded. They pay attention to the category thinking that this is the case, but it ignores most factors actually. You can watch this happening right now in real time.

they use wind speed because that's what buildings are designed to withstand and the range of wind speeds for each category is based on expected damage

rainfall and storm surge are too site-specific to be effective for a scale like that but there are proposed alternative scales that take them into account, though they haven't been adopted because they're not really useful to the general public

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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

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here's one of the trees next to the house i got drunk and hid from hurricane gustav in



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