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Kaedric posted:Not trying to derail but Under the Skin sticks out in my memory because it is literally the only time in my entire life that I felt ..... anxious? During a movie. Like, where I wanted to leave and my heart was racing. Yeah, don’t blame you. Despite having no blood or gore it’s easily the most horrifying scene I’ve ever seen in a movie.
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Marijuana posted:I've taken some screen shots, folks. Someone upthread a ways back posted a huge imgur album of high res screengrabs. I'll have to dig that up. e: here ya go Origami Dali posted:So I went ahead and uploaded a shitload of high quality screenshots from Mandy, in case anybody else wanted some. Print them out and watch a Mandy flip-book movie! Enos Cabell fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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Yeah, sorry for just jumping in! I love this beautiful movie and how it had infected my mind. e: Origami Dali posted:So I went ahead and uploaded a shitload of high quality screenshots from Mandy, in case anybody else wanted some. this loving rules. thank you! i'm going to read this entire thread. Marijuana fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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I saw this at a cinema with like 9 friends. It was dope, the screen was full of other people there to see it and we all went on a journey together. One of my friends decided to come on a whim as I was excited about seeing it and he's not one to go for this kind of film. He said he loved it and that it was unlike anything he'd ever seen. Need to buy this on release now and watch it again.
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Marijuana posted:edit bonus: I really love this and how he licks his fingers when he puts his hands down. If you don't know anything about LSD, he is soaking the paper with the drug suspended in a solvent. So he's dunking his hands in LSD. His bare hands.There's a reason the guy basically doesn't have irises the whole scene. And it's that. Like, holy poo poo.
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Free Drinks posted:I really love this and how he licks his fingers when he puts his hands down. If you don't know anything about LSD, he is soaking the paper with the drug suspended in a solvent. So he's dunking his hands in LSD. His bare hands.There's a reason the guy basically doesn't have irises the whole scene. And it's that. Like, holy poo poo. While LSD is indeed an extremely potent drug in terms of dose and licking those fingers would normally hit you like a ton of bricks, LSD tolerance also builds really quickly (as in if you take it two days in a row you'll need about three times the dose on the second day to get the same effect) and if that dude takes it daily, a little lick of his fingers is unlikely to do much. Also, anecdotal evidence from hardcore acid-heads suggest that very large doses will screw up your tolerance for much longer, possibly for life. Probably the same reason that one dude chugs it like it's beer.
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felch me daddy jr. posted:Probably the same reason that one Ftfy
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SlimGoodbody posted:Ftfy Thanks, the keys are like right next to each other.
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felch me daddy jr. posted:While LSD is indeed an extremely potent drug in terms of dose and licking those fingers would normally hit you like a ton of bricks, LSD tolerance also builds really quickly (as in if you take it two days in a row you'll need about three times the dose on the second day to get the same effect) and if that dude takes it daily, a little lick of his fingers is unlikely to do much. Also, anecdotal evidence from hardcore acid-heads suggest that very large doses will screw up your tolerance for much longer, possibly for life. I am aware of the licking part, heck that would mostly be ethanol or another solvent anyway, but the dunking your hands in it all the time would likely be enough to be hosed up 24/7 regardless of tolerance. I mean, obviously in reality there is some point where it wouldn't have the same impact, but if you made acid nearly nude and with bare hands, you would be one hosed up dude. Free Drinks fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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Free Drinks posted:I am aware of the licking part, heck that would mostly be ethanol or another solvent anyway, but the dunking your hands in it all the time would likely be enough to be hosed up 24/7 regardless of tolerance. I mean, obviously in reality there is some point where it wouldn't have the same impact, but if you made acid nearly nude and with bare hands, you would be one hosed up dude. Actually...
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Well how disappointing. Edit: Wait, how did Hofmann accidentally dose himself the first time then? I know he purposefully did it after. Edit Edit: "No, I have accidentally dosed myself while laying sheets, I either touched my eye, or mouth." probably this. Well, the eye touching, not the sheets part. Trippple Edit: I think we can all agree that The Chemist does not practice good and safe lab procedure. Free Drinks fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Oct 19, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/panoscosmatos/status/1053345220283183104 Nothing's better than cheddar! 
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Watched this last night at Luna Leederville. I was pretty high and I liked it a lot. I found a lot of the tonal shifts jarring at the time but the more I think about it the more I liked it. I liked that all the elements of fantasy were grounded in really benign circumstances. The demons were just bikers insane on drugs, the cult was just a cult, led by a narcissist failed rockstar. When Mandy dies Red relapses hard and all the crazy action is because he is extremely high on drugs. Linus Roache’s performance was absolutely fantastic, and Cage’s naked display of grief was so awkwardly true it was hard to watch. Even stuff like how he staggers around from place to place but once he takes the mix he becomes this insane juggernaut. Yeah this film was sick
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Basebf555 posted:People seem to love to point out that it "doesn't matter" in these kind of discussions but what if it's just fun to think about and talk about? Like, the literal meaning of Jack appearing in the photo at the end of The Shining doesn't "matter" but its still a fun thing to toss around in your head. Saying 'it doesn't matter' is just obscurantism. The trouble with debate over whether the events are real or not is that it skips over the far more pertinent question: what are the events? This is where, for example, this guy gets tripped up: Your Parents posted:This also reflects the relationship in the beginning of the movie. Mandy's ideal world is the one she paints. She has goals and dreams and all that independent of her relationship. Red's ideal world is "being with Mandy". The entire point of the film is that Mandy did not die in the bag. She is still burning, she is 'between two deaths', silently demanding revenge. So when Red leaves in the car, driving away from the 'primordial landscape' at the end of the film, he is specifically ferrying Mandy towards her second, absolute death.
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The point of the last shot is that Mandy is not in the car and out of all the crazy poo poo we just saw, Red thinking he won and did it and gets to be happy with Mandy is the hallucination utterly detached from reality.
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Your Parents posted:The point of the last shot is that Mandy is not in the car and out of all the crazy poo poo we just saw, Red thinking he won and did it and gets to be happy with Mandy is the hallucination utterly detached from reality. No, because the reality is that Red is haunted by nightmares of his undead wife. The reality is that he did in fact meet Mandy at a bar, and he remembers this as the best moment of his life. The actual ambiguity of the ending concerns where Red is driving to; because most obviously he is driving back to the start of the film. There’s a circularity to the narrative, where its ending overlaps with its beginning - with Red meeting Mandy at the bar and driving her home. That is to say that the danger to Red is that he will be lost in his memories. It may be helpful to pause the film and actually read Seeker Of The Serpent’s Eye. In the novel, the cursed warlock Feid tricks a caravan of mercenaries into escorting him through a precarious volcanic landscape. Feid promises them gold and jewels, but the truth is that there is only The Serpent’s Eye - an artifact said to carry incredible destructive power. Nearing the location of the Eye, Feid deems the mercenaries fools and poisons them all to death, then shoves their leader (a boastful warrior named The Thrain) off a cliff. Finally grasping the Eye, Feid’s relishes his power - but his mind begins to fade. The world goes black around him and he wakes up over The Thrain’s corpse, without the Eye, his memory erased. It turns out the Eye itself was the source of the curse, and now Feid is unknowingly doomed to remember (and thereby relive) these murders over and over again... Now you may be tempted to read this as a 1:1 allegory for the events of the film, but the fact is that both Red and Sand resemble Feid - and therefore both Red and Sand resemble The Thrain, trapped in this eternal battle. But then, the difficult truth is that it is ultimately the undead Mandy who is the wretched sorceress, seen in the last dream sequence literally clutching the Eye. The point here is clearly linked back to the scene of the merging faces: Mandy and Sand are linked in Red’s mind, so Mandy is ultimately only freed from the curse if Red kills her.
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When are you gonna stop cokeposting on these forums and just write an apeshit movie for us to watch and enjoy
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Yeah, but like, have you wondered that maybe the mundane poo poo was the hallucination, and all the crazy poo poo WAS REALITY. Edit: Sorry, weed's legal in Canada now. It's like a whole nation is a giant hot box now.
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SlimGoodbody posted:When are you gonna stop cokeposting on these forums and just write an apeshit movie for us to watch and enjoy Mandy was already written, so now it’s just a matter of interpreting it. Recall that Red is already having nightmares at the start of the film, feeling strangely uneasy in the woods, thinking of moving out of the forest.... what better evidence that the narrative is circular? It’s Mandy who convinces Red to stay, with her monologue about the baby starlings. So, Parents has it backwards: Mandy’s (conscious) goal is to stay forever isolated with Red. The starling monologue is a pretty overt reference to The Silence Of The Lambs, where Clarice Starling(!) was traumatized as a child when she heard lambs being slaughtered at her guardian’s farm and (like Mandy) ran away from home. In Lacanian terms, Mandy’s childhood scenario with the starlings is her fundamental fantasy. So while The Children Of The New Dawn are ‘just’ some assholes in a van, their profound psychological impact on Mandy comes from the resemblance of Sand to her own callous father. The approach of the van is a nightmarish realization of Mandy’s fantasy of union with her father - the fantasy that Mandy exiled herself in the forest to avoid. “If what [subjects] long for most intensely in their phantasies is presented to them in reality, they none the less flee from it.” -Freud And this is ultimately the source of the attack: Sand picks up on this fantasy, somewhat-accurately recognizing Mandy’s fear as a call. But we should be specific: the traumatic part of the starling fantasy, for Mandy, is not so much seeing the birds die as the fact that she ran away, disappointing her father. So, although Mandy is ultimately forced into role of the ‘squirming pillowcase full of birds’, when she dies, it’s already been pointed out that comes across as almost a sort of relief from the real horror of joining the cult. When Mandy is in the pillowcase, we have a sort of reversal where Red (who Mandy previously fantasized as a wounded animal (see the scene with the dead fawn)) becomes the child wielding the crowbar. Hence the paradoxical image, in the final dream, of the slain alien animal-warrior - half man, half tiger.
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Why was Mandy crying in the bar in Red's vision at the end?
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Why was Mandy crying in the bar in Red's vision at the end? It’s both a memory of the moment they fell in love, and the moment her ghost is finally laid to rest. Again, the other time Mandy sheds a tear is when she finds the dead fawn in the woods - point being that she sees Red as a baby animal, like the starlings in her fantasy. (See the line about the vicious snowflake later in the film - Red is in a way referring to himself.)
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Something else that occurred to me is that Red's line early in the film when Mandy asks him which planet he would be he says he wouldn't be a planet but instead is Galactus, eating the other planets. This is good for shadowing of his relationship to the mysticism of the cult. He enters their world and almost immediately masters it, becoming a dominant force of destruction. The only other characters presented as Red's equal in "power" are the chemist and Mandy's ghost. Flying Zamboni fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Oct 22, 2018 |
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Flying Zamboni posted:Something else that occurred to me is that Red's line early in the film when Mandy asks him which planet he would be he says he wouldn't be a planet but instead is Galactus, eating the other planets. To be clear, Red doesn’t say he wants to be Galactus - only that Galactus is his favourite planet. And again there’s an ambiguity, given that Mandy also talks about how Jupiter could swallow up the Earth. Red is in a way agreeing with her. “The surface of its atmosphere is a storm that's been raging for, like, 1,000 years, and the eye of the hurricane is so huge that it could just swallow the whole Earth.” The main distinction is that Red is talking about destruction, while Mandy is actually referring to a state of calm. The eye of a hurricane is a peaceful area - perhaps the only peaceful area on the planet. As the Chemist says, Red ends up becoming a “Jovan warrior sent forth from the eye of the storm.” In context, this name - Jovan - is a mix of Jovian (“of Jupiter”) and Jotan (the name of an archery-god apparently worshipped by the warlock Feid in Seeker Of The Serpent’s Eye (possibly a reference to the Norse Jötunn)). SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Oct 23, 2018 |
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SMG your posts are immense pleasure to read and I appreciate them.
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SMG, you really should write a screenplay, regardless of the fact that Mandy already exists for you to analyze the impression I get is that something you made would be absolutely next-level space-age poo poo even compared to stuff like this movie
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Interesting analysis about the starlings. I also noticed the evocation of Clarice's monologue about the sound of screaming lambs in it, but totally blanked on the fact that Clarice's last name is Starling. That's a great bit of synchronicity. However, I was speaking to someone who was dead set convinced that Mandy did join in with the other children and kill the starlings, and that the hesitation and pain in her voice when she says she ran is her lying, or editing history, or telling herself a story about what she wished had happened and the kind of person she wished she had been, or being too ashamed to tell Red what she had done, or all of the above, and now that scene has become a lot more ambiguous for me. In fact, the whole movie has, because that scene is so unique and full of portent and so out of the blue as to imply that it must be one of the major keys for exploring everything else in the film.
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I realized I would have prefered if Mandy was the agent of revenge instead of Nicolas Cage. The husband could have been the one who was killed by the cult (who in that case probably wouldn't be played by Nicolas Cage). I'm gonna be in the minority, but I didn't enjoy Cage in this movie very much. His face looks kinda weird now (like an aging actor after plastic surgeries) and I didn't like how cartoonish he was on his revenge quest, i.e. screaming about his shirt getting ripped or snapping that guy's neck as if he was a ragdoll. I loved the first part of the movie but didn't feel the same about the second part.
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Captain Jesus posted:[I didnt like Red] screaming about his shirt getting ripped or snapping that guy's neck as if he was a ragdoll. "Ice cream is okay but I don't like how it's cold and sweet."
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SlimGoodbody posted:"Ice cream is okay but I don't like how it's cold and sweet." I think it's fair to say that there's more than one thing that can pull you in about Mandy, and if you're just there for one of those things you're probably not gonna be fond of the others. Like, someone who's into this because they like artsy horror is probably gonna think it loses the plot in the second half. Someone who's into this because they wanna see Nic Cage chainsaw-dueling Cenobite bikers is gonna be bored to tears by the first half. You really have to be on board with both sides of the movie to not have any negatives about it.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I think it's fair to say that there's more than one thing that can pull you in about Mandy, and if you're just there for one of those things you're probably not gonna be fond of the others. You've gotta be a little bit Criterion and a little bit Scream Factory.
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SlimGoodbody posted:"Ice cream is okay but I don't like how it's cold and sweet." There was a huge difference in tone between the first and second half of the movie. I didn't dislike second half of the movie as a whole but some of the crazyness was jarring. Like when red arms himself with a box cutter to fight he demon bikers instead of the huge metal pipe he just smashed one of the with.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I think it's fair to say that there's more than one thing that can pull you in about Mandy, and if you're just there for one of those things you're probably not gonna be fond of the others. That theory doesn’t really work, because the second half is the ‘artsy’ half. That’s where Mandy and Sand merge into a single character, you get the cartoon dream sequences, and Red tearfully confides to a xenomorph that he’s not ready to talk about his death wish (that he’s always had?). There’s an interesting metaphor where Sand’s church is built from the wood Red was cutting in the opening scene, and then the entire ending reenacts Sand’s spiritual conversion: “When I was at the bottom of the pit, screaming in the darkness, racked with unspeakable pain for having been denied all that was rightfully mine, He graced me with his light. His hot, loving light.”
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Red tearfully confides to a xenomorph that he’s not ready to talk about his death wish This is probably my favorite individual moment of the movie. It's such an unusual choice that I wonder if it was a Cage ad lib like the Bruce Lee Neck Snap Zoom. I'm curious as to your thoughts regarding the idea that Mandy was lying about her treatment of the starlings. Does that change anything for you?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:and Red tearfully confides to a xenomorph that he’s not ready to talk about his death wish (that he’s always had?). Remind me what this bit was in the movie, I'm trying to recall something like this happening but have obviously forgotten.
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After he runs over one of the black skulls and gets captured the slimiest boy in the bunch walks over to red while he's chained to a pipe and says "You have a death wish" out of his awful mouth.
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Cenobiker (concerned, as if to a friend) posted:Ẏ̶̧̨̙̗̹̳̳̠̫̞̬͎̫͚͙̙̩̟̠̱̘̘̰͛͝ó̵̧͇͓̠̩̤̬͚̺͔̰̟̭̱̰̍̐̏̇͆̃̂̑̈̓̐̈̅͊̈́̍̓̚u̸̢̨̨̜͔̺͚̫̟̒̈̋̍̂̅͜ ̴̨̡͍̳͕͍͎͖̤͉̰̻͇͑̃́͐̑͗͊͋̀̚͜͜͠ͅͅḩ̵̛̙̰͇̺̞̟̦̈́̒̉̃́͠a̷̢͚̮̠̥̥̞̔̒̽̑̃̓̈́̽̌͌̍͑̂̉̋̾́̓̎̚͜ṽ̵̛̟̰̪͇̪̺͔̭̥͓̲̯̟̮̥͉̼̣̩̗̱̈́̓̈͌͊̂̔̊e̸̢̥͕̦̻͎̟̰̼͕͚̟͕̹̙̻̥̼̪͇͊̈́̌̆̒͗̾͜ ̶̧̧̘̲̝͇̮̦̰̻͔͕̥̯̠̭̟̙͋̇̎͒̇̅̓͑̅͋͂͆̈̐̀̃́͠a̵͓̠̹̫̖̓ͅ ̵̛̥̮̺̓̔̆͊̓͊̔̉͆͌́̐̊̈́̈́̕͝͝d̸̛͍̽̂͋̀͋͊̓͋̿͊̇̓̂̊̓̃̍̔́̓̚ę̵̜̼͇̭͙͚̱͔̍͛̂̉̕̕ạ̵̡̨̤̭͇̰͓̙͎̼̩͉̬̪̣̞̩̝͙̰̊͗͂̈͐̊́͐̂̽̈́̀͌̒̓̅̏̏́̎̕t̸̨̥̦̩̬̻̦̱̳̱̞̠̍h̵̡̛͍̦͍͈̹̼͔̱̙̼̝͍̜̼̅́́̾̎͂͒̀́̈́̀̒̈͌̇̈́̂̕͜͠ẇ̷̜̫̜̗̱͋͒̇̀̅̿̔͐͒̽̈́̂̄̓͂̔̈́̚͘̕ĩ̸̭͈͕́̎̎̂̽͛̂̀̐̽̽̆̐s̶̭͕̺̣̮̽̐͗͆̊̿͐̀̈̽́̊͆̐̍̂͒̈́̚̚͝ḣ̶͖̱̻̤͒̾́͛̏́̇́̐̈́̊̑͂̓̉̓̓͐͘͜.̴̢̛̯̹̖̖̩͍̈̑͗̋̿̂͐̊̈́͊͗̈́̾͐̃̒̀̈́̚ Red (sobbing, conversationally) posted:I don't wanna talk about that!
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Ghosthotel posted:After he runs over one of the black skulls and gets captured the slimiest boy in the bunch walks over to red while he's chained to a pipe and says "You have a death wish" out of his awful mouth. That one is a lady. No joke. The Black Skulls are a equal opportunity bunch. She is played by a woman and is named Sis in the credits. I mean, it's not like the gender of a weird, androgynous, black leather, demon-person matters, but hey. Free Drinks fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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I love the bit about Starlings, it's sad and makes me empathize with Mandy. The camera slowly coming closer is a nice touch too.
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