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My take on whether the Black Skulls were demons or just human bikers who went nuts is that it was a bit of both? If you look at Beyond the Black Rainbow, there's precedent for the idea that Panos makes movies in which unethical science, complex occult theological frameworks, and experimental, wildly unsafe psychedelic drugs can shunt a person's psyche into the Lovecraftian realms of Knowledge and Contact Man Must Not Have Without Shattering, and Also You Bring It Back With You. The idea that the occult-minded psychonaut must go into the impossible places and bring some back within them is not dissimilar from a lot of occult sprituality initiates. In BtBR, Barry has his soul scalded away in the motherload ritual, and comes back with something inside him that Was Not Barry and becomes less and less human over time, up until that entity only feels comfortable taking off its "appliances" and living as a serpent eyed, hairless nosferatu in a leather bodysuit, murdering with a gleaming, fluidly designed silver dagger with a weird name of import. I think the bikers had something similar happen. the drugs hollowed and narrowed them, and made room for Something Worse to slither into the bodies they once occupied.
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Neo Rasa posted:The impression I got if you want to take it more literally is that Sand finds out about the super pierce the veil of reality I can see everything LSD and uses it, but maybe like it doesn't quite work that well on everyone This was my read. It seemed to be tied to a character's intent or purity of purpose, and just made them more of whatever they were inside, like how the super soldier serum affected Captain America, Red Skull, and Abomination differently. Like imbibing is hitting a big red button that says "become fictional" and that affects everyone in a unique way
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:"When, if at all, does the movie does explicitly cross the distinct line from just drug-induced hallucinations to the supernatural" is kind of beside the point, I think. It's depicting the aftermath of an era where the idea that psychedelic drugs could expand your consciousness and reveal previously unsuspected realms was treated as a perfectly plausible one; we're looking at a kind of magic realism, not conventional fantasy. The line between drugs and magic in Mandy doesn't exist. This kind of "aftermath of the fallen Aquarian Age ideal" inspection is a theme in both of Panos' movies, I think.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Not really. At the end of the film, Red quotes Joseph Campbell by way of New Age ultra-kook Stanislav Grof. The difference between being a swimming mystic and a drowning psychotic is just how crazy you're willing to go on the way to reigning in hell
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Red doesn't actually travel to a different planet at the end. Counterpoint: but what if he DID
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felch me daddy jr. posted:Probably the same reason that one Ftfy
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When are you gonna stop cokeposting on these forums and just write an apeshit movie for us to watch and enjoy
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Interesting analysis about the starlings. I also noticed the evocation of Clarice's monologue about the sound of screaming lambs in it, but totally blanked on the fact that Clarice's last name is Starling. That's a great bit of synchronicity. However, I was speaking to someone who was dead set convinced that Mandy did join in with the other children and kill the starlings, and that the hesitation and pain in her voice when she says she ran is her lying, or editing history, or telling herself a story about what she wished had happened and the kind of person she wished she had been, or being too ashamed to tell Red what she had done, or all of the above, and now that scene has become a lot more ambiguous for me. In fact, the whole movie has, because that scene is so unique and full of portent and so out of the blue as to imply that it must be one of the major keys for exploring everything else in the film.
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Captain Jesus posted:[I didnt like Red] screaming about his shirt getting ripped or snapping that guy's neck as if he was a ragdoll. "Ice cream is okay but I don't like how it's cold and sweet."
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Red tearfully confides to a xenomorph that he’s not ready to talk about his death wish This is probably my favorite individual moment of the movie. It's such an unusual choice that I wonder if it was a Cage ad lib like the Bruce Lee Neck Snap Zoom. I'm curious as to your thoughts regarding the idea that Mandy was lying about her treatment of the starlings. Does that change anything for you?
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Cenobiker (concerned, as if to a friend) posted:Ẏ̶̧̨̙̗̹̳̳̠̫̞̬͎̫͚͙̙̩̟̠̱̘̘̰͛͝ó̵̧͇͓̠̩̤̬͚̺͔̰̟̭̱̰̍̐̏̇͆̃̂̑̈̓̐̈̅͊̈́̍̓̚u̸̢̨̨̜͔̺͚̫̟̒̈̋̍̂̅͜ ̴̨̡͍̳͕͍͎͖̤͉̰̻͇͑̃́͐̑͗͊͋̀̚͜͜͠ͅͅḩ̵̛̙̰͇̺̞̟̦̈́̒̉̃́͠a̷̢͚̮̠̥̥̞̔̒̽̑̃̓̈́̽̌͌̍͑̂̉̋̾́̓̎̚͜ṽ̵̛̟̰̪͇̪̺͔̭̥͓̲̯̟̮̥͉̼̣̩̗̱̈́̓̈͌͊̂̔̊e̸̢̥͕̦̻͎̟̰̼͕͚̟͕̹̙̻̥̼̪͇͊̈́̌̆̒͗̾͜ ̶̧̧̘̲̝͇̮̦̰̻͔͕̥̯̠̭̟̙͋̇̎͒̇̅̓͑̅͋͂͆̈̐̀̃́͠a̵͓̠̹̫̖̓ͅ ̵̛̥̮̺̓̔̆͊̓͊̔̉͆͌́̐̊̈́̈́̕͝͝d̸̛͍̽̂͋̀͋͊̓͋̿͊̇̓̂̊̓̃̍̔́̓̚ę̵̜̼͇̭͙͚̱͔̍͛̂̉̕̕ạ̵̡̨̤̭͇̰͓̙͎̼̩͉̬̪̣̞̩̝͙̰̊͗͂̈͐̊́͐̂̽̈́̀͌̒̓̅̏̏́̎̕t̸̨̥̦̩̬̻̦̱̳̱̞̠̍h̵̡̛͍̦͍͈̹̼͔̱̙̼̝͍̜̼̅́́̾̎͂͒̀́̈́̀̒̈͌̇̈́̂̕͜͠ẇ̷̜̫̜̗̱͋͒̇̀̅̿̔͐͒̽̈́̂̄̓͂̔̈́̚͘̕ĩ̸̭͈͕́̎̎̂̽͛̂̀̐̽̽̆̐s̶̭͕̺̣̮̽̐͗͆̊̿͐̀̈̽́̊͆̐̍̂͒̈́̚̚͝ḣ̶͖̱̻̤͒̾́͛̏́̇́̐̈́̊̑͂̓̉̓̓͐͘͜.̴̢̛̯̹̖̖̩͍̈̑͗̋̿̂͐̊̈́͊͗̈́̾͐̃̒̀̈́̚ Red (sobbing, conversationally) posted:I don't wanna talk about that!
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