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Kalli posted:Let's see.. the most gently caress defense team of each year: Wait, how do the Bills fit this at 12th? Also how were they 12th? Didn’t Rex start sticking his grubby hands into what should have been a great defense?
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latinotwink1997 posted:Wait, how do the Bills fit this at 12th? Also how were they 12th? Didn’t Rex start sticking his grubby hands into what should have been a great defense? A typo I think. Looks like they were 9th offensively, 12th at special teams and 24th defensively in 2015.
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I never will forgive rex for ruining that defense. If you would have told me the offense would be way more productive and Rex Ryan was taking over the defense I would have thought they would be at least a playoff team.
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Chris James 2 posted:gently caress I'd never spit out coffee before. Water and soda but never coffee Yeah Steelers fans will never not be a blight and embarrassment to our city, so many goddamn CHUDs.
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Sep 19, 2018 03:32
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I just wanted to say that this is a great thread title.
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cavallingus posted:Speaking as someone who used to work alongside rocket scientists, they're not really that bright outside of their field Nobody knows a god drat thing outside of the extremely narrow field they've dedicated their lives to being experts on.
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Sep 19, 2018 05:01
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And LOL if actually know anything about even that. I'm just a very tall baby myself.
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Sep 19, 2018 05:19
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Neither the Steelers nor the Patriots will stop winning a lot of games. The Steelers won't beat the Patriots as per usual -- they have superior coaching and system. The Steelers draft better, so even with inferior coaching and drama, they won't be a basement dweller. Some old as Spring Saying you draft better than the Patriots doesn't mean the Steelers are good at drafting. They've been bad at it the last few years, even if they aren't at the Pats level.
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Sep 19, 2018 13:28
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Yeah, Juju, TJ Watt, James Conner, James Washington are consensus bad picks from just the last 2 years
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Sep 19, 2018 14:27
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cavallingus posted:Speaking as someone who used to work alongside rocket scientists, they're not really that bright outside of their field I work in a literal rocketship factory. Rocket scietists can be really loving dumb about things essential to their discipline, such as the industrial processes necessary to make those rockets. sirtommygunn posted:Nobody knows a god drat thing outside of the extremely narrow field they've dedicated their lives to being experts on. Specialization is for insects.
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Sep 19, 2018 14:30
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Three starters out of two drafts ain't great, especially if one if them is only playing because someone is holding out. And uh James Washington has one catch.
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Sep 19, 2018 14:35
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I only mentioned the stars, friend
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Sep 19, 2018 14:38
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Is there numbers on it? I thought BB was one of the worst drafters in the league, but he gets amazing production of out veteran free agents and trades?
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Three starters out of two drafts ain't great, strongly disagree
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cavallingus posted:Speaking as someone who used to work alongside rocket scientists, they're not really that bright outside of their field That's the case with a lot of doctorate level people. They spent so much time learning their craft that everything else slid out of their mind.
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DariusLikewise posted:Is there numbers on it? I thought BB was one of the worst drafters in the league, but he gets amazing production of out veteran free agents and trades? This is part of it, but he also simply picks more often than everybody else by trading draft picks to get more and/or higher picks later, and by gaming the comp pick system to get as many high comp picks as possible. In free agency he applies the same basic philosophy, he just spams cheap moves *constantly*, and every once in a while gets a hit for virtually no cost. Sometimes they make a big move but it's rare. e: Josh Gordon is the ultimate Patriots move and people acting like it's not  PATRIOTS WAY are idiots. Gordon is cheap, and it's theoretically possible for him to be good, and that's all that matters.
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Sep 19, 2018 15:06
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:strongly disagree The Bills have six starters from their past two drafts!
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fsif posted:The Bills have six starters from their past two drafts! I think that says more about the Bills roster than the picks.
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Sep 19, 2018 15:18
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I would wager to say that Belichick's very poor recent selections at the top of the draft probably cost the team a Lombardi when you consider how much success they had in the last five years and how much better they *could* have been if they had one or two more blue chip players. Recent history: 2017 1st - Traded for Brandon Cooks, SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIM BILL 2017 3rd - Derek Rivers, tore ACL in camp 2017 3rd - Antonio Garcia, got sick, never played, not even on a team 2016 2nd - Cyrus Jones, return man who specialized in fumbling, never contributed 2016 3rd - Joe Thuney, reliable guard 2016 3rd - Jacoby Brissett, should have kept him or Jimmy G 2016 3rd - Vincent Valentine, mediocre DT, missed all of 2017 with injury 2015 1st - Malcolm Brown, just a guy 2015 2nd - Jordan Richards, massive reach, not on the team 2015 3rd - Geneo Grissom, DE fodder 2014 1st - Dominique Easly, a guy with no functioning knees 2014 2nd - Jimmy G, should have kept him or Jacoby!
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Sep 19, 2018 15:24
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I would wager to say that Belichick's very poor recent selections at the top of the draft probably cost the team a Lombardi when you consider how much success they had in the last five years and how much better they *could* have been if they had one or two more blue chip players. 
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Sep 19, 2018 15:33
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Chilichimp posted:I think that says more about the Bills roster than the picks. Yeah, that's the problem with trying to take a big picture view of draft picks. Because most bad teams will get more starts out of a draft then a good team, and you can't just use how a team's doing, because some teams will just coast off great top end talent for awhile until talent rot completely eats that away, looking at you pre-2016 Saints. Also drafting is pretty random, and you don't really know if you killed a draft until 2-3 years after it happened, leading to the general consensus of how good a GM is almost always being a few years out of date. The best example here is probably Seattle, where they absolutely crushed 2011-2012, then had a bunch of mediocre to lousy drafts, and so they had a great run then petered out as those misses drained them of talent. Belichick takes a lot more gambles then a GM typically should in the draft, because he has the roster / ability to risk it. Sometimes that works out great and you get a Gronk, sometimes you draft a guy with paper mache knees or a murder machine. All in all, he's probably an above an average drafter, just his last like 5 years of drafts had stuff like successful guards and other low-name recognition players, outside of the two QB's. Of course, he was crushing the drafts early in the decade, and so the Pats crazy success was helped a ton by that.
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Chilichimp posted:I think that says more about the Bills roster than the picks. That was my point. A little over a week ago, one of those draft pick starters was Nathan Peterman.
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Sep 19, 2018 15:42
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It’s way more that they have a system that allows mediocre JAGs succeed. Every player that leaves NE gets worse. Minus Jimmy G who was... not really used. Traded based off potential.
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fsif posted:That was my point. A little over a week ago, one of those draft pick starters was Nathan Peterman. It was a solid point my dude 
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Amy Pole Her posted:It’s way more that they have a system that allows mediocre JAGs succeed. I think a part of this also is the Patriots get guys for cheap, and just use them in small roles they are really good at (or cut them and we forget about them.) Like if you're a garbageman who can rush the passer as a nickel linebacker but have literally 0 other skills, they'll use you for 10 snaps a game of that and literally nothing else, and not care because you have a league minimum contract. Then they let them walk in free agency after getting 6 sacks in 8 games and somebody makes them a 50 snaps a game player and the Pats get a comp pick and the guy is a big so what.
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Amy Pole Her posted:It’s way more that they have a system that allows mediocre JAGs succeed. Yes, but the system is putting JAGs with a HoF quarterback, which is what makes the coaching staff's idea that they don't need Brady hilarious.
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Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually
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A.o.D. posted:I work in a literal rocketship factory. Rocket scietists can be really loving dumb about things essential to their discipline, such as the industrial processes necessary to make those rockets. you sound bitter
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Yeah, it's a good reminder that the comp pick system is just busted and exploited by good teams to get free draft capital. Just replace it with an 8th round of the draft.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, that's the problem with trying to take a big picture view of draft picks. Because most bad teams will get more starts out of a draft then a good team, and you can't just use how a team's doing, because some teams will just coast off great top end talent for awhile until talent rot completely eats that away, looking at you pre-2016 Saints. Right, he's missing a bit in drafts, but there's more to being a competent GM than drafting well, and being the coach and GM at the same time gives him a lot more freedom to bring in guys that fit specific roles. Players are mostly plug'n'play for him, so he just gets tons of free draft picks for letting free agents walk, which... I mean god drat, the guy just knows what he's doing. Of course Brady taking massive pay cuts to free up cap space for free agents helps a lot. IDK what the NFLPA should do about that, or if they should, but that's a raw deal for the other 31 teams. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Sep 19, 2018 |
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The NFL PA should actually punish them for the blatant cap circumvention but that’s just me
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Chilichimp posted:Right, he's missing a bit in drafts, but there's more to being a competent GM than drafting well, and being the coach and GM at the same time gives him a lot more freedom to bring in guys that fit specific roles. Players are mostly plug'n'play for him, so he just gets tons of free draft picks for letting free agents walk, which... I mean god drat, the guy just knows what he's doing. To be fair, for like 3 years all that cap savings was used up on Aaron Hernandez's dead money  But yeah, from watching how Belichick works the draft my general thoughts are teams undervalue middling veterans, teams lose tons of roster talent when they fire coaches and install a new system, and the comp pick system has been completely perverted and has to change.
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Amy Pole Her posted:The NFL PA should actually punish them for the blatant cap circumvention but that’s just me I'm with ya on it.
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carry on then posted:you sound bitter Frustrated, mostly. This project isn't doing well, and even though I have no skin in the game, I'm a strong supporter of manned spaceflight. I hate to see the project so poorly sheparded.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:I only mentioned the stars, friend You mentioned TJ Watt, who is average at best except when he gets most of his stats for the season when he plays the Browns.
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MrLogan posted:You mentioned TJ Watt, who is average at best except when he gets most of his stats for the season when he plays the Browns. The Jeremy Hill effect.
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MrLogan posted:You mentioned TJ Watt, who is average at best except when he gets most of his stats for the season when he plays the Browns. No one should listen to this person.
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Sep 19, 2018 17:02
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Jamal Lewis was the ultimate JAG who became the GOAT when he played the Browns
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Oh poo poo Cyrus Jones just got signed back to New England from the Raven's practice squad. Redemption tour!
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Russell Wilson soft, confirmed https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/seattle-seahawks-dismantling-rift-russell-wilson-pete-carroll
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