mancalamania posted:

ETA: Generally good premiere though. It's a good cast and the more natural scenes and confessionals are a delight coming from Australian Survivor where every sentence spoken is composed of one word each taken from 10 different sentences.

Nottherealaborn posted:

This was my thought. He makes it sound like the cameras somehow all missed the showmance, missed him joking about it, and missed them plotting against him for that reason

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

I'd be shocked if he wasn't barring some crazy investments from Cliff Robinson. From straight league earnings we have Kent at $86M, Cliff Robinson at $61M, and Scott Pollard with a distant $38M. I don't have a good source but coaching and 20 years of TV money put Jimmy Johnson in the mix.

e: Forgot David Samson from the old Marlins management. That dude is loaded and crushes Jeff.

Propaganda Machine posted:

Palau and Guatemala are awful though, so I think this is as far as one needs to take things.

Fast Luck posted:

_{I would also recommend Australian Survivor 2017 aka reboot s2 or s4.}

Propaganda Machine posted:

I'd love to check it out but watching Australian reality shows is... a commitment. Are any of the episodes skippable?

E: f;b

Spergatory posted:

Okay, first, it absolutely is his fault that he is kind of famous in that he actively sought out a career in Hollywood with multiple movie and TV appearances and to say otherwise is ridiculous. Second, the most damning thing isn't that he can't win, it's that he isn't trying to. I agree that someone who is already rich probably could win the game, though it would be way more difficult. The problem with Mike is that he's already given up on winning, yet he hasn't given up quite enough. If he were playing some kind of ruthless, Boston Rob-style 'overdog crushes the little guy' game in pursuit of a million dollars he doesn't need, I would at least respect it. I wouldn't like it, but I could at least respect it. But Mike White is not trying to win. Again, listen to his confessionals. He never says anything about winning. Only about going far and making it to the end. The man is playing for third place and third place only and in the process is actively attempting to make the game as boring as possible. He's simultaneously completely selfish (in that he only cares about his Survivor Experience™ and couldn't give less of a poo poo about the audience) and not selfish enough (in that he isn't trying to WIN) and it's infuriating.

Overdrift posted:

This was one of my favourite moments from last night:

Spergatory posted:

People have that whole Ian and Tom situation all wrong. To really understand what Ian did there, you need to understand three things:

1. Ian was not beating Tom in that challenge. Ian was playing with an injured foot and Tom was more or less fighting fit. There was no situation where Tom falls off that platform before Ian, and therefore no situation where Ian sits in the final 2 without him. Tom's "I was about to fall off!" was a playful jab at Ian, not a true statement. SOURCE: Tom Westman's and Ian's interviews with Survivor Oz.

2. Ian was not beating Tom in the final 2. The two of them played almost the exact same game, but Tom was just better. He won more challenges, pissed off fewer people, and didn't stuff up the endgame in front of the jury. At most, Ian gets votes from Katie and Coby. Tom Westman was winning Survivor Palau and there was nothing Ian could do to stop him.

3. 1st place - $1,000,000. 2nd place - $100,000. 3rd place - $85,000. The gap between first and second place winnings is $900k. The gap between second and third is $15k. Since we've already established that Ian was not winning, his choice boiled down to whether he wanted to be second or third. "But why would he choose third if second gets him more money?" Well, that's simple; did you see what happened to Katie? Ian knew the jury was mad at him and he was already feeling pretty beaten down, so he essentially paid $15,000 of house money for the privilege of not being dragged through the mud by his peers on national television.

He gets to go out on his own terms, seem generous to Katie, and look like a stand-up guy to the public (which was more important back then). Plus, instead of staying on the island or another day, only to then have to sit in the final two for hours trying in vain to defend himself while everyone yells at him (something we already know he is bad at), he gets to go to Ponderosa, eat, recover, and space out until it's his turn to ask a question at FTC. I wouldn't call it a "win," because only Tom was really winning there, but I'd say the intangibles he gained were probably worth what he paid for them, especially given that he wasn't paying with his own money.

The Bloop posted:

I guess it might not be a "move" but



lol

Spergatory posted:

Woo taking Tony to the final 2 is the no-contest worst move in Survivor history, but if it makes you feel superior to call Ian stupid and make fun of him, I guess you can keep doing it, but I feel like his case is pretty solid. I mean, it's not like he didn't have time to think of these things. He was up there for twelve loving hours. You don't do something that painful for twelve hours unless you're trying to win. He wanted to beat Tom, but he realized after twelve straight hours of trying that it just wasn't happening, so all he had left at that point was to decide how he was gonna lose. For my money, he made the right decision. That jury was pretty brutal.

Spergatory posted:

If nothing else, these discussions are great examples of why most people who post on Survivor forums don't know poo poo about how people actually work and would be actively, laughably terrible at the game were they to actually play.

Yes, this applies to you, person reading this!

Spergatory posted:

Mike White is getting on my loving nerves, and I'll tell you why. If you listen to his confessionals, you'll notice that he only ever talks about "the experience," "going further," and "making it to the end." I have yet to hear the word "win" come out of his mouth, and you know why that is? Because he can't win, and he loving knows it. He's a famous loving screenwriter and nobody there is giving him another million dollars. But he's not content to just have his experience and let it end when it ends, oh no; he wants to be nothing less than a zero vote finalist, and he is willing to knowingly kill any potential excitement the season has in order to accomplish that end. He's all of the worst qualities of last season's Laurel and Kellyn combined; playing to make it as far as possible with an endgame he knows he is destined to lose because he is unwilling to take risks, and beating the Original Tribe Strong drum and actively trying to ensure a boring season despite allegedly being a fan. I mean, say what you want about Kellyn, but she was at least doing what she thought was best in pursuit of winning the game. Mike is willing to screw over his allies and the audience to ensure his Survivor Experience™ lasts as long as possible. It sucks, he sucks, I'm glad his plan failed and I hope he gets voted the gently caress out for it.

Spokes posted:

i know what my money's on

garthoneeye posted:

I want Angelina to somehow pull off a bunch of really good moves, give an amazing final tribal council, and win.

That's why the producers are so down on this season: their obnoxious, self-centered, overconfident buffoon villain character is the winner.

Spergatory posted:

IcePhoenix posted:

The first time in history I can confidently say I would do really well in a challenge and not be armchair survivoring.

Zesty posted:

I don't see how anyone could root for Cirie

curiousCat posted:

I played a couple games with Colton. He seemed nice in a neutral setting.

STAC Goat posted:

So like, its probably less of a criticism of Rob and more of an indictment of my attention span.

Propaganda Machine posted:

This. The way it's produced feels insulting both to the houseguests and the viewers. It's a shame.