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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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After Nine loving Months (and a little bit more) of waiting, we FINALLY have the return of Doctor Who. The show about a time-traveling alien has a new show-runner in the form of Chris Chibnall. You may know of his work on the drama Broadchurch, but you may also know him for writing the Torchwood episode Cyberwoman. Personally, I know Chibnall from his Doctor Who episodes 42, the Hungry Earth, Cold Blood, and Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. As RTD had The Gay Agenda and Moffatt had The Scottish Agenda, we will soon learn what Agenda Chibnall will cram down our throats (I'm guessing the Pop Culture Agenda).

As for the Doctor, we've got a new one of those too: Jodie Whittaker will fill the shoes left behind by Peter Capaldi. We also have three new companions of whom only their names we know....and that's about it. Chibnall is playing this very close to the vest, with a total clampdown on information regarding things that happen this series. Like, we barely have an idea of how Whittaker will play the Doctor. Alan Cumming shows up, though, we know that.

The series runs weekly from 7 October to 9 December, plus a Christmas special on....*puts on reading glasses* New Year’s Day:

1) The Woman Who Fell to Earth
2) The Ghost Monument
3) Rosa
4) Arachnids in the UK
5) The Tsuranga Conundrum
6) Demons of the Punjab
7) Kerblam!
8) The Witchfinders
9) It Takes You Away
10) The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos
Christmas) Resolution

The previous thread can be found here. Now for the formalities.

NO SPOILERS
By edict of the moderators, this is a SPOILER-FREE ZONE. Other than backstage stuff (hiring people), DO NOT POST SPOILERS. AT ALL. Even if the Washington Post reveals video of Donald Trump handing a big stack of government secrets to Vladimir Putin and one of the papers is labeled 'Martha Jones is a Rutan', DON'T POST IT HERE. If you must post about spoilers, go to the spoiler thread. Episode titles can be spoiler-y, so use discretion when discussing episodes yet to air. For example, 'Hide' doesn't spoil anything, but 'OH poo poo IT'S THE DALEKS' does.

HOWEVER, and this is important, as soon as HRH the Queen watches the show on BBC One, anything that happens on-air will no longer be considered a spoiler (next week's preview not withstanding). That means us Johnny Foreigners who don't use :filez: need to stay away from this thread for most of Sunday (and Monday, if you live in Australia or New Zealand). Since it's the British public who funds Doctor Who, they get the right to complain about the pro-Brexit scribe [insert your least favorite writer here] made the Doctor say before everyone else.

WHERE DO I START?
Good news! You can start right now and not get confused about previous Doctors' baggage! If you want to watch the original series, there are plenty of places to start. You COULD start with An Unearthly Child and watch everything in chronological order. You could also watch individual serials of all the Doctors and determine which you like the best. Keep in mind, don't shotgun a whole Hartnell or Troughton in one go, or else you'll get complacent. Those 60's episodes are meant to be seen one at a time, and if you only just rented the DVD, wait a few hours between episodes.

The most popular serials for the original series you can jump into are:

First Doctor: An Unearthly Child, The Aztecs
Second Doctor: The Tomb of the Cybermen, The Enemy of the World
Third Doctor: Spearhead from Space, Carnival of Monsters
Fourth Doctor: Pyramids of Mars, The Robots of Death
Fifth Doctor: Kinda, Frontios
Sixth Doctor: Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks
Seventh Doctor: Dragonfire, Remembrance of the Daleks

WHERE CAN I WATCH DOCTOR WHO?
If you're an American, you're in luck! You can watch the original run of Doctor Who both on TV (Retro TV and some PBS stations) and online (via BritBox*)! Canadians get BritBox, too. If you're not North American scum, I'm sorry but you'll have to buy or rent the episodes on DVD or your local digital distributor.

For the current run:

ON TELEVISION
UK - BBC One (first run), Watch
USA - BBC America (first run), most PBS stations
Canada - Space
Australia - ABC1 (first run), ABC ME, Syfy

STREAMING
UK - Netflix
USA - Amazon Video
Canada - CraveTV
Australia - Netflix & Stan

*Day of the Daleks, Planet of the Daleks, the Five Doctors, Resurrection of the Daleks, Revelation of the Daleks, and Remembrance of the Daleks are not available, along with almost every serial missing at least one episode.

SHOULD I BUY THE DVDs AND BLU-RAYs?
Just for the bonus features alone.

THE NOT-AT-ALL BRIEF GUIDE TO BIG FINISH
There are literally thousands of Doctor Who and Doctor Who-related audio dramas released by Big Finish Productions. This is not a post telling you what audio dramas to listen to, because everyone has an opinion that is different from everyone else (some people like Minuet in Hell, believe it or not). This is a post telling you the basic info on the different series of titles there are. I'm only covering ongoing ranges, since devoting a section to the Stage Plays seems a bit silly. If you're wondering why I'm about to spend a good portion of the OP about audio dramas, you are clearly new to the Doctor Who thread.

The Monthly Range
Since 1999, Big Finish have released, on a consistent basis, mostly standalone stories featuring the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh (formerly including Eighth) Doctors. Up to 243rd(!) release this month.

The Fourth Doctor Adventures
Tom Baker gets his own line of releases.

The Seventh Doctor: The New Adventures
Hey, remember the Virgin New Adventures? These take place during those! No, I don't know how to find cheap copies of those books.

The Eighth Doctor Adventures / Dark Eyes / Doom Coalition / The Eighth Doctor - The Time War / Ravenous
Paul McGann's Doctor also gets his own line. Goons love 'em.

The Tenth Doctor Adventures
David Tennant reprises his role in mini-seasons every chance he can get, and the results are very RTD-like. In a good way!

The Companion Chronicles / The Early Adventures
This is important: SOME OF THESE ARE NOT AUDIO DRAMAS. These are "enhanced audiobooks" for the most part, which means that one person does all the parts while another gives narration, but also contains sound effects and music cues. The Companion Chronicles originally were one-handers, but now may contain small casts, which the Early Adventure always have.

The Ones with Fake Doctors
The First Doctor Adventures, the Third Doctor Adventures, and the Ninth/Tenth/Eleventh Doctor Chronicles feature people who are not the original actors playing the roles of the title Doctor. If you're OK with that, by all means give them a try.

Spinoffs
There are a ton of these, ranging from good (I, Davros) to who gives a poo poo (anything involving a companion from the audio series).

THE DISCORD
Here it is. The future is now!

FINALLY, let's take a look back....all the way to ten years ago! It turns out people still hadn't gotten over Voyage of the Damned.

Nilbop posted:

It contained a discourse on how it was okay to be really really fat and then wasted the fat couple because they were too fat.

Their cause of death was too much fat.

In conclusion, RTD is a man of contrasts.

Edward Mass fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jan 2, 2019

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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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After The War posted:

That's right... DOUBLE Hartnell action!



Not seen: Robot Doctor Who looking nothing like the First Doctor.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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thrawn527 posted:

Do we know if that will be true every week? Or just for the premiere?

Just the premier - it will air normally at 8 eastern.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I don’t think that meme is being used correctly.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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precision posted:

Victory of the Daleks is a really good episode but I thought the twist was gonna be way more interesting than it was :\

Having recently re-watched it, I now believe the episode is 15 minutes too long.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Whittaker was fine. The story, though, I was not a fan of. I had to take a break mid-episode to take a nap and clear my head. Like, it wasn't BAD, it was just boring to me. It didn't feel like Doctor Who for large swaths.

:smith:

Also: "Every episode is standalone." (first episode ends with the cast in deep space)

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Hey! Tomorrow/today for the British marks five years since the Enemy of the World and most of the Web Planet was recovered!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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FINALLY got around to watching the Ghost Protocol. It was better than the first episode by a country mile, but the evil bandages were a bit of a letdown.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Well, I wasn't agape in horror, so that's a plus. Still, this feels like Chibnall said "I want an episode about Rosa Parks" and they worked around that idea.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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:lol: at people who said it couldn’t happen again.

:smith: please

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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JLR would've had more room to breathe as a character if he wasn't planning to run for US President. I mean, the stakes for him wouldn't change at all. He's still a businessman building a hotel on top of an abandoned coal mine.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Well, I guess that means you watched all of the Sensorites, because there were only six episodes in that serial.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Am I a racist for thinking Rosa could’ve had a better way for writing out the villain?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Also, I realize the TRUE villain of Rosa was racism itself, but you can’t solve that in 50 minutes.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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In the ultimate plot twist, Krasko runs into the tribe of Gum.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I liked the Tsuranga Conundrum for the most part, except for the pregnant guy. That felt a bit unimportant.

Also, S37E07 may be have the dumbest episode title in Doctor Who history.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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That was the best episode so far this series, but that was a low bar to jump. Also, seconding the odd timing of having 'compassionate aliens who monitor people about to die' twice in a 12-month period.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Has there been any word about series 12? Because, uh, it took 10 months to film series 11.

Edward Mass fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Nov 14, 2018

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I guess the lack of a returning villain so far this series is kind of getting me a bit chapped. Unless a Cyberman shows up out of nowhere, we're looking at the first time a new Doctor's first season goes by without a returning villain since 1970.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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The Christmas specials are hit-or-miss, but it had become an annual thing. It'll be an odd Christmas without sitting down after opening presents and watching a new Doctor Who.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Charlie: "I'm blowing things up so more humans get hired!"
<later>
Judy: "We're hiring more humans."

What a weird ending.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Is there any pattern to these sets yet? I get pushing Tom’s first season since he’s probably the most recognizable Doctor, but why do his last season next? It’s completely atypical for that Doctor and, honestly, a bit dull.

You’d think they’d do 1st seasons for each Doctor first.

Season 19 is coming out in a few weeks on Blu-ray.

e: "I don't believe in Satan" smashcut to The Satan Pit

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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This series hasn’t been bad, but it sure as hell has been OK.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I’ve figured out the flaw most of the episodes this series have: the plot point where revelations are made happens juuuuuust before the episode ends, as opposed to setting a third act in motion.

Ghost Monument: talking fabric
Arachnids: all the spiders are dying
Kerblam!: The villain was the janitor

e: Witchfinders: aliens out of nowhere
ITYA: mirror universe is collapsing, a frog

Edward Mass fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Dec 5, 2018

Edward Mass
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Well, that was...something. It's clear that Chibnall wanted Tzim-Sha to be a thing, which is a problem when because Tim's kind of one-dimensional (tooth-faced predator!).

Overall, this series was what I had feared: bland and unmemorable, like Chibnall's previous Doctor Who episodes. On the bright side, I've thought of a good title for the hiatus thread.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Cleretic posted:

Season 11 reads like I write, you guys don't want me to be showrunner.

You can't fault Jon Pertwee for phoning it in that season.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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After The War posted:

Yesssss make "Web of Caves" canon. :getin:

(Only after Jodie's many years in the role, of course.)

Whittaker's going to be the Doctor incumbent for seven years and four series by this rate.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Humans crave structure. We want things to fit into our lives in simple, easy-to-remember folders. When things change, we get scared.

Source: me, upon hearing Doctor Who is taking 2019 off

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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LividLiquid posted:

Is there a reason aside from scheduling woes why we don't get multi-doctor stories outside of big anniversaries?

Probably so they stay special. If the BBC were to break out old Doctors every other year, what would make the anniversary specials a big deal? Then you get Silver Nemesis, a 25th anniversary present no one wanted.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I wish we had some fun quirk of Chibnall's writing we could poke fun at. Every notable Doctor Who writer has at least one that makes you say "Oh (X), you card!" and Chibnall should be no different. More pop culture references, I don't give a poo poo!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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I mean, the last time we had more than a year between Doctor Who episodes of any kind, it was canceled!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Mooseontheloose posted:

MArtha's run on the show is marred by Moffat not letting go of Rose and trying to make her rose 2.0 and it hurts her as a character. Especially because she is just so much more capable a person than Rose was ever shown as being.

Also, I am in the vocal minority who thinks Amy is an awful companion. Rose 3.0, more attiude but pining for the Doctor but also loves Rory (kinda, when we tell you). Karen Gillam is great, don't get me wrong but her character was just always bugged me.

Goddamn, people forgot about RTD again!

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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So, uh, what about the Dalek bits in Siberia and the Southern Pacific?

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Aaaaaaah. That makes sense.

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Sep 14, 2011

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Anticlimactic final post

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