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It’s fine to address a group as guys when you are speaking to the liberal party
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Way to poo poo up a new thread guys.NPR Journalizard posted:Can someone explain to me why there is still the perception that the ALP is playing small target politics? Because the media think that's "balance"? The "small target" has been a media narrative way after it was abandoned as a tactic. Whether it's real or not doesn't matter, its an excuse to dismiss the opposition when the media can't be bothered doing their jobs. ALP internal politics bore them shitless, I have to read bloggers to figure out if anything important is going on. Similarly, if/when the coalition become the opposition, they'll be dismissed with a narrative of 'chaos'.
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Oct 1, 2018 20:08
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/02/labor-to-force-companies-to-compare-ceos-pay-with-that-of-median-worker I know they feel they can't go harder on this because murdoch will release the LABOR DESTROYING JOBS / POLITICS OF ENVY hounds (which they will loving do anyway) but seriously what the gently caress is this supposed to achieve as is. "If you have a need and can explain that to investors, you'll be fine" "Hi I've increased your dividends again by making the guys in the warehouse fight to the death over who gets to eat lunch that day, and my personal golf course needs the irrigation systems completely redone, give me millions of dollars please" *approved*
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Oct 1, 2018 21:36
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NPR Journalizard posted:Can someone explain to me why there is still the perception that the ALP is playing small target politics? Because they are? Can you give any examples of things the ALP has pledged to do that rock the boat at all? All they do is watch the LNP implode and go "hey look at this guy lmao" while consistently voting with them on most major policies, and offering nothing different in return.
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Oct 1, 2018 21:53
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aejix posted:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/02/labor-to-force-companies-to-compare-ceos-pay-with-that-of-median-worker This is pathetic. Oh we'll make the top 250 companies self report and then we'll ask them really nicely why their ratio is off and then nothing will happen. It should be mandatory for all publicly listed companies to publish data on their salaries
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Oct 1, 2018 21:56
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bell jar posted:This is pathetic. Oh we'll make the top 250 companies self report and then we'll ask them really nicely why their ratio is off and then nothing will happen. It should be mandatory for all publicly listed companies to publish data on their salaries Like this won’t result in CEOs aiming for sick kda ratios.
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Oct 1, 2018 22:04
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I would say Labor is more than small target given they have more policies than the government at the moment. Scomo doesn't even have an energy policy. Only action he's taken is to create drought squad and eat strawberries.
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Oct 1, 2018 22:42
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scomo will pray and sing and dance skyclad on the parliament house lawn until the clouds give forth in abundance. hallelujah!
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Oct 1, 2018 23:04
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bell jar posted:Because they are? Can you give any examples of things the ALP has pledged to do that rock the boat at all? All they do is watch the LNP implode and go "hey look at this guy lmao" while consistently voting with them on most major policies, and offering nothing different in return. Franking tax credits hth
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Oct 1, 2018 23:47
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avshalemon posted:scomo will pray and sing and dance skyclad on the parliament house lawn until the clouds give forth in abundance. hallelujah! No he can't, there's fences stopping that these days.
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Oct 1, 2018 23:52
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BBJoey posted:Franking tax credits hth  I hadn't heard about this, and had a look into this here. It's not something you see Labor get attacked about, and something I doubt most people have even heard of.
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Oct 1, 2018 23:52
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Incrementalism is small target politics
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Oct 1, 2018 23:53
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bell jar posted:
Is this a bit
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Oct 1, 2018 23:57
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bell jar posted:Because they are? Can you give any examples of things the ALP has pledged to do that rock the boat at all? All they do is watch the LNP implode and go "hey look at this guy lmao" while consistently voting with them on most major policies, and offering nothing different in return. The royal commission into banking? All the infrastructure spending? Tax reform?
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Oct 2, 2018 00:02
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NPR Journalizard posted:The royal commission into banking? All the infrastructure spending? Tax reform? Not explicitly condemning Sally McManus and her industrial reform campaign is fairly radical for this media environment.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:15
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Don Dongington posted:Not explicitly condemning Sally McManus and her industrial reform campaign is fairly radical for this media environment. They can't do it because their backers in unions are supporting the campaign heavily. They probably won't actually sign on or action anything about it or maybe more likely they'll do the most low effort lovely version that doesn't do anything.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:33
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It's going to be fun watching both major political parties self destruct by ignoring the priorities of their larger support bases and the Greens still not being able to get a second MHR.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:40
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Keen for Bill Shorten to announce industry level bargaining during his victory speech while a dubstep remix of WE'RE COMING BACK plays in the background.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:41
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NPR Journalizard posted:The royal commission into banking? All the infrastructure spending? Tax reform? If the Govt hadn't actually held the RC into banking, Labor definitely could have carried that to an election, but if you remember, the only reason the Govt held one was because of overwhelming public support and George Christensen threatening to cross the floor. Turnbull knew he didn't have the numbers so he capitulated as usual. Infrastructure spending is par for the course, and the only tax reform policy I've seen from Shorten is "we'll reverse the changes that the LNP put in place". It's all bullshit, the ALP aren't sticking their neck out for this election, they're going to just cling to their common sense centrist incrementalism and wait for the LNP to gently caress themselves and Steven Bradbury their way into power.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:45
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Yeah but even the lowest effort ALP agenda is still miles better than the LNPs agenda at all effort levels.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:46
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If there has to be some to and fro, they at the very least need to implement industry bargaining for smaller sectors that work disparately and enable some kind of mandatory whole of workforce bargains for large companies to stop them just shutting down warehouses and stuff when they want to reset the wages to minimum.
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Oct 2, 2018 00:47
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https://twitter.com/Chambersgc/status/1046902052184457217 cool.....
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Oct 2, 2018 00:48
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Anidav posted:Yeah but even the lowest effort ALP agenda is still miles better than the LNPs agenda at all effort levels. For sure, agreed. But saying they aren't playing small target politics is just dumb
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Oct 2, 2018 00:49
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Heard this morning (ABC 24) that despite protests from the left-wing of the Labor party, Shorten will not break up the mega department Dutton founded. Not really surprising e: got beat
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Oct 2, 2018 00:49
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I mean I wouldn't go to an election with a massive national security target painted on my head either. Get elected, get some points on the board, THEN start dismantling the surveillance state.
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Oct 2, 2018 01:22
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Duh. They voted in support of its formation so they'd get control of it when they're back in government.
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Oct 2, 2018 01:35
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Don Dongington posted:I mean I wouldn't go to an election with a massive national security target painted on my head either. lol theyre never gonna dismantle it
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Oct 2, 2018 01:38
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bell jar posted:
It was front page news in a bunch of newspapers, talkback radio hated it, and Labor definitely got attacked about it. quote:If the Govt hadn't actually held the RC into banking, Labor definitely could have carried that to an election, but if you remember, the only reason the Govt held one was because of overwhelming public support and George Christensen threatening to cross the floor. Turnbull knew he didn't have the numbers so he capitulated as usual.
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Oct 2, 2018 01:38
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It's small target politics maintaining the status quo with minor tweaks. A bit of tax reform here, a bit of spending there, getting behind massively popular policies and avoiding the unpopular ones. You know what's not small target politics? Welfare overhauls giving everyone a fairer go and actually raising the rates of things like Newstart and Austudy to comfortable, affordable levels. Lowering the work week from 38 hours to 34, and lowering the retirement age. Giving greater rights to casuals and the underemployed. Bringing asylum seekers onshore and treating them humanely. Disrupting the people smuggling business by offering subsidised airfares for people who want to apply for asylum from Indonesia. Proposing to start the process of becoming a republic. Providing more services on Medicare. Giving doctors greater incentives to bulk bill. Universal Basic Income trials. The list goes on. Don't be satisfied from picking up the scraps of policy from Labor when it's clear that they don't actually have a stance on anything that would significantly differentiate themselves from the Government du jour
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Oct 2, 2018 01:48
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Prominent broadcaster dies. Alas not Alan Jones, John Laws or Ray Hadley. You have to be of advancing age to remember this particular poo poo stain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Casey_(Sydney_broadcaster) That he lived so long and didn't die painfully of bowel cancer in a fire shows there is no justice in the world. Add to your list of graves to piss on. Don Dongington posted:Nthing folks as a useful substitute for 'guys' friends <leave it out> Just some of the many choice that aren't nearly as stupid as Don Dongington The Peccadillo posted:Is Hambeet a clown who sucks? Is Hambeet a clown who just isn't funny? Is Hambeet a clown who is complete poo poo? Is Hambeet a clown who needs lessons? Is Hambeet a clown who works in a circus? <endless list of hambeet insults>
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Oct 2, 2018 01:48
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Oct 2, 2018 01:54
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hambeet posted:Feeling targeted here. Try and be smaller
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Oct 2, 2018 02:02
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CASUAL workers now have the right to ask their bosses for changes to their employment, thanks to new rules that started on Monday.quote:CASUAL workers now have the right to ask their bosses for a permanent position if they have worked regular hours for at least one year. https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/decisionssigned/html/2018fwcfb4695.htm Thanks Labor!
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Oct 2, 2018 02:13
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While the Liberals are in power I can see "reasonable grounds" being "don't wanna" Good to see, though. This needs an education piece, though. Younger workers especially need to be informed of this as they're probably the most exploited.
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Oct 2, 2018 02:20
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bell jar posted:
Man they're not even trying to pretend that they give a gently caress about anything but raw profits anymore, are they. WHO THE gently caress DO YOU THINK BUYS MOST OF YOUR poo poo, YOU PATHETIC FUCKWEASELS.
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Oct 2, 2018 02:21
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That kind of implies you were not allowed to ask to go permanent before this?
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Oct 2, 2018 02:24
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Who employs a Christmas casual for twelve months?
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Oct 2, 2018 02:27
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hambeet posted:Feeling targeted here.
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Oct 2, 2018 02:28
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Try and be smaller *Crawls back into a bottle*
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Won't they just stop giving work to casuals who've been there eleven months?
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My first car was a stick