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Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

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Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Anidav posted:

Be honest here, how many of you think Scott Morrison will win the next election.
I guess he has a chance if everything goes his way, the Liberals miraculously stop in-fighting after Wentworth, Australia buys into his Fatman Sharks act, and a Tampa or three happens right before the election. But that's a very big "if".

Honestly I think it's far more likely Morrison's tendency to impulsively jump at everything is going to eventually backfire spectacularly and make things much worse.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Aesculus posted:

I can't wait for the Strayan to pump out 500 articles about how ScumMo's fightback will lead the LNP to victory and Labor is doomed if they don't switch leaders now.
The current top story is "Morrison takes fight to Shorten - The Coalition has continued its political comeback in the wake of Malcolm Turnbull’s ousting, according to the latest Newspoll."

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Question Time:

Bill Shorten: The Prime Minister has complained that voting for anybody but the Liberals in Wentworth will destabilise his government. But didn’t this Prime Minister destabilise the government in the first place when he and his colleagues deposed Mr Turnbull?
Is government instability the only reason we are having the Wentworth by-election, and will the Prime Minister explain to the people of Wentworth why Malcolm Turnbull is no longer the Prime Minister of Australia?

Scott Morrison: We're cutting taxes for small businesses.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Question Time, paraphrased:

Joel Fitzgibbon: You said on Saturday the agricultural policy visa is dead, but Barnaby Joyce said there is no such thing as dead in politics. Is the policy now a zombie?

Scott Morrison: You're a zombie.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

https://twitter.com/primroseriordan/status/1051969380441944065

Great work campaigning for that by-election PM Sharks.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Gentleman Baller posted:

How hard would it be for the LNP to get rid of mandatory voting? I assume it's not too easy but how else are they going to get around their gently caress up with the plebiscite? Surely they planned for this.
To get enough public buy-in before the next election for a change that significant, they would have to hold another plebiscite.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Scott Morrsion doesn't seem like he's backing down over Israel in Question Time.

Meanwhile:
https://twitter.com/davidlipson/status/1052044945031196677?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

https://twitter.com/davidlipson/status/1052065613911212032

Hope the Wentworth by-election is worth all this. :bravo:

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

edit: dang beat posting the message from our PM about the Canberra bubble.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

You Am I posted:

I'm so not loving watching that
Another casualty of the Canberra bubble.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Schlesische posted:

So they're saying Sharma is driving the horse but having to carry Hewson and Turnbull's legacy?
Isn't it the other way around?
They're already appointing blame for the result of Wentworth. The term "LINOs" was employed.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Opposite that picture the Australian's Cut & Paste section is titled "If Labor doesn't dog-whistle to Nazis its siren songs appeal to a few fans of Hitler".

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Antony Green's almost ready to call it for Phelps.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Phelps is now ahead on primary votes.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

They really don't have anything other than "We're not Bill Shorten" do they.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

The Wentworth postal votes seem fairly strong for Dave Sharma. I'm not sure if there can be enough to make up the gap but it looks like the final result will be fairly close.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Do they fast track the delivery of postal votes in by elections or could there be up to 6000 more postal votes floating in the system?

edit: because other than that, if I'm reading the AEC results page correctly, there's only 1266 postal votes left to go with Phelps 884 votes ahead. (also maybe a few pre-poll?)

Trapezium Dave fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Oct 21, 2018

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Senor Tron posted:

The postal votes are still going to bring it dangerously close.
Yeah, if the number of postal votes left is around the same number cast in the 2016 election then there about 4000 left, breaking 2/3 Sharma, 1/3 Phelps. That makes it pretty much even.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

I hadn't realised the correction was that big. That looks like it would need every uncounted postal envelope to be in the mail to beat.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

It looks like they've counted the thousand odd postal ballots they had waiting for processing with only a couple of hundred change in the vote difference. Phelps is 1626 ahead.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

https://twitter.com/GrogsGamut/status/1054139837119250432

norp posted:

Awesome, they aren't gonna learn a drat thing.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Nick Cater posted:

The Liberals' core vote is in lamington land, not cupcake country.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Blamestorm posted:

I swear this creeping Americanism is infectious.
It was only a couple of days ago another opinion writer called Turnbull and Hewson LINOs.

The big puzzler for me is how all these commentators think an affluent seat like Wentworth, prior to the weekend always conservative and home of multiple Liberal ministers and leaders, does not qualify as part of the "Liberal base".

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Amoeba102 posted:

American politics has us beat with the Rino Dino acronymns. All we have is Lino. Maybe Aussie it up and call them Garrys instead.
Linos, Ginos, El Ninos and Phoninos.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

https://twitter.com/ScottMorrisonMP/status/1054608586125402113

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

drunkill posted:

Vic libs lamo

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

iajanus posted:

Anyone with an Australian sub able to post what they think the effects of Labor's negative gearing cuts are?
Here's the first page, typed out from a paper copy:

Labor risks $12bn housing hit
Simon Benson, National Affairs Editor

Labor's $32 billion plan to end negative gearing for existing homes and slash the capital gains discount would lead to a fall in new housing construction of up to 42,000 dwellings over five years and 32,000 fewer jobs across the country, according to independent modelling of Bill Shorten's key property policies.

Warning of a significant contraction in housing supply, which could further strain the major capitals Sydney and Melbourne struggling to cope with population growth, the modelling forecasts a downturn in housing supply equivalent to accommodating 100,000 people.

A report commissioned by Master Builders Australia, using similar modelling techniques to that of the former Labor government's Henry Tax review, has forecast a potential $12bn downturn in construction activity in the first five years of the policy's implementation.

The report, based on independent peer-reviewed modelling conducted by Canberra-based Cadence Economics, suggests that with housing supply already contracting, Labor's policy to limit negative hearing to new homes and cut the capital gains tax discount from 50 per cent to 25 per cent would "exacerbate" the current downturn in the construction cycle.

In NSW, it would deliver a $1.4bn hit to building activity in the first year, representing a 6 per contraction in the sector.

In claims that housing construction conditions have weakened considerably since Labor's policy was released in February 2016 and the section is now more vulnerable to shocks.

Opposition Treasury spokesman Chris Bowen has been briefed by MBA on the modelling, which is the first assessment testing the impact of Labor's negative gearing and capital gains tax policies on construction jobs and housing supply rather than propery prices and rents.

The modelling, using worst and best-case scenarios, shows construction would fall by between 10,000 and 42,000 dwellings in the first five years from implementation. This would lead to between 7500 and 32,000 fewer jobs.

The value of the contraction to the industry is estimated at between $2.8bn and $11.8bn.

The contraction in renovation activity would be between $50 million and $210m.

When Labor's policy was devised more than two years ago, it was released against the backdrop of a heated property market.

Continued on page 6, which is where I'll leave the transcription.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Tgent posted:

Did he really say "the sensible centre-right" lmao
It's used quite a bit by the News Corp commentator set who also view Turnbull the multi-millionaire investment banker as a dangerous leftie.

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Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Anidav posted:

Why does tone care about Gillard portrait?
Probably because he hasn't got one (yet).

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