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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Baby, take me by my hand,
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froglet posted:

This week in loving stupid ideas, an apartment block in North Freo is going to get a landing pad for flying taxis and delivery drones.

Speaking of, what's the legislation surrounding drones? And how happy are folks going to be with them flying over their houses and back yards? Perth already has a problem with folks going "Noo the poors in apartments will have views into my yard so we should have low density forever".

You can harass and stalk your ex wife using a drone and not breach an AVO or similar.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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This thread is poo poo house

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Don Dongington posted:

Not explicitly condemning Sally McManus and her industrial reform campaign is fairly radical for this media environment.

They can't do it because their backers in unions are supporting the campaign heavily. They probably won't actually sign on or action anything about it or maybe more likely they'll do the most low effort lovely version that doesn't do anything.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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If there has to be some to and fro, they at the very least need to implement industry bargaining for smaller sectors that work disparately and enable some kind of mandatory whole of workforce bargains for large companies to stop them just shutting down warehouses and stuff when they want to reset the wages to minimum.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Who employs a Christmas casual for twelve months?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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NPR Journalizard posted:

I started working at BCF as a Christmas casual and stayed on for more than a year. I believe the idea was that if you could survive a Christmas rush, the rest of the year was easy.

That isn't the retailers complaint. They mention Christmas casuals. If you are at work in Jan, you're no longer a Christmas casual. It is not Christmas.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Don Dongington posted:

Well the next step is allowing casual staff access to wrongful dismissal clauses. Oddly, considering how stacked the FWC has been since Abbott won power, and the recent decisions around terminating EBAs and various other employer-friendly rulings, they seem to be moving in that direction.

Honestly, if you can't demonstrate good reason for terminating or reducing a casual's hours to zero while the workload remains (aka spill and fill), there's no real justification to not have some sort of protection there. If employers insist on making everyone casual, then we have to change what that means for the humans who are trying to survive under those conditions.

There are already loads of agreements that mandate casual conversion at set times or percentage of workforce. If you shitcan people at 11 months to avoid that responsibility you will end up in fair work. It should be the same here, but it's going to be a lot of poorly informed/represented people rather than organised workforces with EBAs, so I can't imagine there will be many cases but you never know.

e: not that it matters that much anyway, you just ring Toll People and get them to send you casuals that you will never have any responsibility to.

JBP fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Oct 2, 2018

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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bell jar posted:

Here's how it works:

Casual employee has worked in a role for 12 months for consistent hours, and feels justified in being brought on permanently, either in a part-time (according to their shift pattern) or full-time role.
Casual employee brings this up to their boss.
The boss refuses, citing reasons that don't apply to the employee's situation
If the employee has the time, and the money, they apply to FWC to have the situation resolved
FWC either rules for or against the employee depending on the time of day/weather outside
The employee is quietly let go weeks afterwards

FWC wouldn't arbitrate on this unless the employer agrees to arbitration. It would be mediated with no ruling.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Correct, was just saying it's even worse.

Like you need to go through heaps of mediation before a medical panel will convene to assess a rejected work cover claim. It's hosed.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Dude McAwesome posted:

I don’t.

But I was reminded of how I’m in my own lefty bubble this morning at work when some dickhead (member of the public, not a co-worker) used the term “little abo kids” and I was literally speechless.

So gently caress knows.

I don't know how anyone can crawl far enough into the bubble to forget that Australians are by and large racist, selfish people.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Anidav posted:

drat you guys love guessing the worst timeline will continue.

SCOMO will be +20 on popularity in January because he's extremely similar to Australian political folk hero John Howard.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Anidav posted:

Amazing how quickly the Liberals "female issue" is yesterdays news

Dude Lindsay Lohan tried to abduct some refugee kids off the street while saying "don't gently caress with Pakistan" last week. This news cycle holds onto nothing.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Vic libs are actively courting as many happy clappers as they can get their hands on to try and transform the party into a republican style outfit funded by religion. The downside to this is that unlike the 60%+ population of Christians in the USA, Australian non-religious are thicker on the ground than Catholics or generic Christians which tells me they're digging a fine and permanent grave.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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hambeet posted:

But they won't campaign on their religious ideals. they'll campaign on the same old poo poo, get elected eventually because opposition's don't win, incumbents lose, and they'll go and wind back abortion and safe schools and fracking and sell everything etc etc

They will when enough of them get into the party.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Following the same route as the US Republicans as they've been desperately wanting to, ending with the lunatics taking over the asylum.

Though we saw how demographics are destiny worked out there...

Going to be interesting what happens over there at the next election. At least Trump's anti-Iran stance is going to force us into renewables/PT faster because petrol will cost $2 next year.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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froglet posted:

Genuinely curious how high petrol prices have to be for people to drive less, if not stop entirely.

The poorest and farthest from the CBD will die first freeing up seats on the train.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Southside gang are white aren't they?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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This is a noice post.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Those breakfasts both look good as gently caress but then again I'm JBP the master centrist.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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If we could just pay workers in bags of rice my decadent chocolate startup would be booming and I'd be rich as a Pharaoh it is simply not fair.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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My favourite part of this is when those business council stickers came out for businesses to campaign for cutting penalty rates and everyone in Newport/Spotswood just stopped going to that cafe until it closed and the others enjoyed a surge in patronage.

e: those stickers also attracted a very cost effective upswing in vandalism as well, great campaign

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I love watching those franchisees cry and gnash their teeth when it all goes bad, it's my version of porn.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Cpt Soban posted:

Hey they could cut their wages cost right down to 0 if they do all the work themselves. To think some business owners think of wages as "THEFT" or a "COST"... You're INVESTING in your business- Skilled workers = More business. Isn't that what they always talk about while begging the Government to cut taxes? "I CAN HIRE MORE PEOPLE THINK OF OUR BUSINESS"

They have constant problems with teen employees not giving a gently caress and think making their job less attractive to prospective employees and ensuring they give even less fucks is a great idea.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Cpt Soban posted:

MFW they hired said teen employees who "don't give a gently caress". Not to mention you have portions of EVERY age group where some people don't give a gently caress- Being paid peanuts with poo poo conditions tends to exasperate the problem. If you're not listened to, or trusted, or treated fairly- Expect said person to eventually not give a gently caress.

I worked selling phones for two smart dudes who also sold phones as teens and figured it was a booming business (this was in 2001 I think I started). They paid us $2-3 above award and $5-25 commission on phones which places like Telstra shops didn't do. I can't recall them keeping a casual for less than two years and I worked there for nearly five years including a short stint as a full timer when I finished uni and was aimlessly living my life for a bit. They'd put on three parties a year for staff and do bonuses. In turn we would absolutely shovel phones out of that place. The startup cost for that business (when the two of them worked solo in a small hole in the wall shop) was most likely less than building a bloody kitchen and cafe.

I still go to their houses for BBQs and events and one of the casuals I worked there with has been with them for 15 years now as the store manager. The people that work there now are always invited to stuff and past employees are in their circle of friends. The entire reason for their success is having worked as a floor sales dude and understanding how to make that job good for their employees.

JBP fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Oct 3, 2018

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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hambeet posted:

it's funny, because out of the lovely small business owners i've come across (not working for, just dealings with)

- some people go off into small business because they don't want to work for some rear end in a top hat, and in the process become an rear end in a top hat with zero insight
- some people just want to feel like they're important so start up a business to lord it over others
- others have decent intent, but don't know how to run a business and end up stressing and screwing down hard on their employees which becomes some sort of negative feedback loop

that's not an exhaustive list, but the first two i've come across a lot.

The ones that don't want to work for someone else are always the worst because they've already headed in with a superiority complex despite most likely being a raging imbecile.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Cartoon posted:

OK Martin lets run that through the Cartoon facts checker...

https://www.expatica.com/fr/employment/french-minimum-wage-and-average-salary-in-france_982310.html

Minimum wage in France is €9.88 per hour that is $15.94 AUD.

Minimum wage in Australia is $18.93.

$18.93 x1/10 = $1.89 =/= $15.94. Not even close. Conclusion:

Martin you are an ignorant poo poo dribbling clown. Please gently caress up and die.

These countries are also piling on large percentage increases each year (except the UK but gently caress them). Not to mention the fact that a lot of basic goods in the EU and Canada cost much less when compared to our small distant marketplace.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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What the gently caress is he on about here?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Just say that you think it's horseshit that your party is having its strings pulled by a small number of religious dickheads. Get a loving backbone. I will vote for the first visible backbone next election.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Lid posted:

He's asking what % of Australians make up the conservative Church base of the Liberal party as 36% is the total. He's very roundabout saying they are a very small insignificant minority and not the Liberal base.

I know. It's piss weak poo poo masquerading as wink wink I'm smart.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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I'm going to steal the most valuable prize of all


TIME ITSELF

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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https://www.news.com.au/news/nation...9c18820ad6f04c3

Unbelievable they didn't record any offences or charge anyone when clearly these people were being black and loud simultaneously in public.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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lol I missed this and also what is that av?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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You Am I posted:

hell gently caress yeah

dunno why News Corpse is into bashing workers at the moment, but keep on going, it'll only make your readership smaller

Nah the people currently reading are the brain dead morons that dob on people for taking too long to piss or making calls to their family on the work phone.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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bell jar posted:

Good on Trioli for actually going in and saying the things she said, you wouldn't catch Leigh Sales interrogating MPs like this. Another video that shows that the ALP is at best superficially different from the Liberals. When Trioli asks why he thinks it's acceptable to have children in detention, he says he doesn't agree with having children in detention (*who have medical issues). What about the children without medical issues? Ah well, gently caress em

What does a border security apparatus have to do with funding early learning for Australian citizens?

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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racing identity posted:

More education funding for some white children, horrifying torture island for other brown children

They're not related policy areas. It's the kind of whataboutism we criticise when people scream about the homeless or whatever when immigration or foreign aid comes up. What about indigenous kids in broken communities because of oscillating government neglect and interference? How do they access this cash injection into early learning? We learned nothing about the policy or interrogated whether it's sound and instead watched an interview about something else altogether.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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Don Dongington posted:

I admire your optimism, but I think they would gain just as many votes from opposing offshore detention than they have by supporting it.

I wonder about this. They might bring in more volume, but where the ALP needs to win is in electorates full of jerks and that is probably what stays their hand every time (if we want to believe that they actually care about offshore detention being reformed).

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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hooman posted:

Why do we keep asking Nazi ministers about concentration camps when they're talking about infrastructure projects!

That's not the point at all and they were interviewing the opposition leader in the lead up to an election. Believe it or not, people care about school funding for their own children as well as knowing offshore detention Is Bad.

e: basically saying lets allow a potentially good policy to be poo poo canned and pilloried by Murdoch while other avenues of inquiry do the exact same thing and bang on about something else irrelevant until the LNP wins because "there's no difference between the two anyway".

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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You Am I posted:

Majority of people don't know offshore detention is bad because the government has made those camps off limits to anyone except morons from News Corpse

I think they know it's bad but don't care much. It's the price we pay to keep our parks and public spaces free of black people talking loudly. A price the Australian punter will pay with grim determination.

Don Dongington posted:

that and the minister actually responsible won't let the ABC interview him because he's a hyperpartisan fuckwit.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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How inspirational is this magnificent nation of ours? I refer to 14 month old conjoined twins Dawa and Nima Pelden, who have been brought to the Royal Children's Hospital from Bhutan in the hopeful expectation of a lifesaving miracle.
Many achievements, many international awards, may conjure up pride in our nation, and in our fellow Australians, but nothing surpasses our kindness and generosity of spirit when the lives of children require our urgent medical assistance.
I'm proud to call myself Australian.

Lyle Geyer, Essendon

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

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snoremac posted:

A good political calculation would be to circumvent the blanket silence on conditions on Nauru and campaign heavily on conditions there. That's if they weren't complicit in those conditions, of course.

I don't place any faith in the idea that the good guys have to pretend to like the concentration camps to fool the racists but *wink nudge* they actually hate them now.

If I was Shorten I'd just throw the doors open to all and sundry in the media and say "look what these monsters did" over and over again.

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