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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

people that immediately got to WFH and spent the next two years having slaves bring them hamburgers are the most annoying people on the planet

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ACES CURE PLANES
Oct 21, 2010



KoRMaK posted:

lol but we did that for 18 months

lmao in what loving world

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Isentropy posted:

Yeah my bad. I just wanted to say I get why some performers/live artists might want to do in person stuff with precautions because part of the government going Open Biden was deciding we wouldn't support anyone anymore so everyone had to go back to work.

Faced with eviction or bankruptcy some people made choices I disagree with, but I get. I apologize for my flippant tone. Like they're not just pretending COVID is over because they want to, you know?

gently caress you

Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(
I generally like WTYP but it's not much different than most other media that I consume in that I know there's sometimes gulfs between my opinions and beliefs and those of the people doing the thing and there's really no reasonable way for me to bridge that as an audience member so sometimes I just gotta take breaks.

It's at least not openly fascistic (lol most true crime podcasts), nor excessively stupid (lol mystery podcasts of any kind), but every now and then someone will say something like 'thankfully no one caught Covid at the live event we were Safe and Responsible with our live event at the bar' and immediately people have to start piping up that there absolutely was an outbreak at the live event. Or, yeah, one of the hosts will be having a bad day and, forgetting that they have a tiny little soapbox with disproportionate reach, start dropping 'KYS' on some rando. It's at least usually 'very online but relatively normal people fuckups' and not, say, having a military-themed podcast where you repeatedly go off on rambling diatribes about how communism is worse than nazism, or having a true crime podcast where you refer to all suspicious characters as 'perps'.

Also I have yet to hear a WTYP caster go off on a tangent bitching about mask-wearing now that 'covid is over' or start dropping actual racial slurs as a 'joke' while talking about their career as a mall-cop, so even the bad moments probably haven't even hit, like, top twenty in 'content creator disappointments' for me. Oh, and at least so far as I know no credible accusations of sexual assault, which seems to be some kind of loving plague among people who talk for a living. WTYP being a 'shoot the poo poo' show does mean that it maybe isn't as cool or informative as it sometimes might be, but whatever, there's other sources for that. I loving draw porn for a living, seems like throwing stones in a glass house to complain about someone managing a decent income riffing on dumb bullshit with their friends. Capitalism is the problem there, not the horse viscera jokes. I also don't have a twitter account, so maybe I've just dodged the worst of it lol

E: I should take care to point out that getting into Very Online fights and saying stupid poo poo about it is absolutely not good or agreeable and it's pretty loving reasonable to draw a line there, but I guess at this point I'm so used to everything being so insufferably stupid and intentionally malicious that content created by people at least half-heartedly trying not to be openly evil is good enough to get me through the workday. Relatedly, never look up anything about any musician who has ever lived, you will be very unhappy more than half the time

Shady Amish Terror has issued a correction as of 00:36 on Oct 1, 2022

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
I skipped a few pages of posts but my understanding between those ones and this page is that Alice and Liam caused COVID. All the more reason for Roz to resume Franklin!

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

we should have welded alice into her apartment at the very beginning

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Shady Amish Terror posted:

I generally like WTYP but it's not much different than most other media that I consume in that I know there's sometimes gulfs between my opinions and beliefs and those of the people doing the thing and there's really no reasonable way for me to bridge that as an audience member so sometimes I just gotta take breaks.

It's at least not openly fascistic (lol most true crime podcasts), nor excessively stupid (lol mystery podcasts of any kind), but every now and then someone will say something like 'thankfully no one caught Covid at the live event we were Safe and Responsible with our live event at the bar' and immediately people have to start piping up that there absolutely was an outbreak at the live event. Or, yeah, one of the hosts will be having a bad day and, forgetting that they have a tiny little soapbox with disproportionate reach, start dropping 'KYS' on some rando. It's at least usually 'very online but relatively normal people fuckups' and not, say, having a military-themed podcast where you repeatedly go off on rambling diatribes about how communism is worse than nazism, or having a true crime podcast where you refer to all suspicious characters as 'perps'.

Also I have yet to hear a WTYP caster go off on a tangent bitching about mask-wearing now that 'covid is over' or start dropping actual racial slurs as a 'joke' while talking about their career as a mall-cop, so even the bad moments probably haven't even hit, like, top twenty in 'content creator disappointments' for me. Oh, and at least so far as I know no credible accusations of sexual assault, which seems to be some kind of loving plague among people who talk for a living. WTYP being a 'shoot the poo poo' show does mean that it maybe isn't as cool or informative as it sometimes might be, but whatever, there's other sources for that. I loving draw porn for a living, seems like throwing stones in a glass house to complain about someone managing a decent income riffing on dumb bullshit with their friends. Capitalism is the problem there, not the horse viscera jokes. I also don't have a twitter account, so maybe I've just dodged the worst of it lol

E: I should take care to point out that getting into Very Online fights and saying stupid poo poo about it is absolutely not good or agreeable and it's pretty loving reasonable to draw a line there, but I guess at this point I'm so used to everything being so insufferably stupid and intentionally malicious that content created by people at least half-heartedly trying not to be openly evil is good enough to get me through the workday. Relatedly, never look up anything about any musician who has ever lived, you will be very unhappy more than half the time
liam is, in fact, excessively stupid. absolutely every goon stereotype at once.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



ACES CURE PLANES posted:

lmao in what loving world
oh don't get me wrong, China tied it, we didn't. we hosed it up for them.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Shady Amish Terror posted:

A bunch of stuff I generally agree with, and a couple personal details were here
This has me curious. How does one make enough to support one's self drawing porn without a Twitter account?

Fleetwood
Mar 26, 2010


biggest hochul head in china
I hope the rail strike happens

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.
WTYP is an excellent background noise source for playing games for autists (Factorio, American truck simulator, zachtronics, etc)

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?
I think the episode I wish they would redo is the 1st one because they didn't talk enough about Mothman

The episode that has kind aged poorly is that one where they had Adam Something to talk anti-communism and revisionism

palindrome
Feb 3, 2020

wait I thought mothman wasn't real, like the tacoma narrows bridge

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

tokin opposition posted:

WTYP is an excellent background noise source for playing games for autists (Factorio, American truck simulator, zachtronics, etc)

I sometimes re-listen to the episode on Protestantism while playign EU4.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

i say swears online posted:

we should have welded alice into her apartment at the very beginning

come on, she'd love that, just install a metal hatch she can get new gas masks through

Shady Amish Terror
Oct 11, 2007
I'm not Amish by choice. 8(

achillesforever6 posted:

I think the episode I wish they would redo is the 1st one because they didn't talk enough about Mothman

The episode that has kind aged poorly is that one where they had Adam Something to talk anti-communism and revisionism

The guests always seem like the most fraught element of any of these podcasts. Many of them are very cool subject matter experts and I love to hear their perspective. Sometimes they're uhhhh yeah. WTYP has had a couple of rabidly anti-communist guests, which is about the worst that has gotten from them, I think; I don't see a problem with taking an anti-statist stance, but it seems like some of Liam's buds in particular are not really anti-state so much as propagandized to gently caress about the cold war. Granted, if that's your worst 'leftist firing circle' crime, it's definitely possible to do worse. It feels like Trashfuture and that whole orbit has it so much worse because they move in 'respectable journalism circles', so occasionally their guests aren't even notionally progressive, they're just assholes who move in professional circles of finance or politics, which it turns out is an incredibly difficult kind of person to listen to for light podcasting.

Like, the worst part of Behind the Bastards was usually the guests. A lot of them were cool people and fun to listen to, but a whole bunch were also insufferably lib-brained to the point of derailing episodes and I eventually got tired of trying to discern which guests were going to start getting under my skin while also listening to a journalist describe Super Hitler 3.


B33rChiller posted:

This has me curious. How does one make enough to support one's self drawing porn without a Twitter account?

SexyBlindfold
Apr 24, 2008
i dont care how much probation i get capital letters are for squares hehe im so laid back an nice please read my low effort shitposts about the arab spring

thanxs!!!

achillesforever6 posted:

I think the episode I wish they would redo is the 1st one because they didn't talk enough about Mothman

The episode that has kind aged poorly is that one where they had Adam Something to talk anti-communism and revisionism

tbh the episode was about Ceausescu who was, let's be frank, a funny little guy

my main problem with Adam Something isn't even that he's anti-communist (I don't think it's brought up in most of his content), it's that he's offensively mid in everything he's done. I don't think there's a single video in his channel that hasn't been covered better by the standard run-of-the-mill video essayist

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
For what it's worth, the Ceausescu episode is one of my favorites.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Shady Amish Terror posted:

The guests always seem like the most fraught element of any of these podcasts. Many of them are very cool subject matter experts and I love to hear their perspective. Sometimes they're uhhhh yeah. WTYP has had a couple of rabidly anti-communist guests, which is about the worst that has gotten from them, I think; I don't see a problem with taking an anti-statist stance, but it seems like some of Liam's buds in particular are not really anti-state so much as propagandized to gently caress about the cold war. Granted, if that's your worst 'leftist firing circle' crime, it's definitely possible to do worse. It feels like Trashfuture and that whole orbit has it so much worse because they move in 'respectable journalism circles', so occasionally their guests aren't even notionally progressive, they're just assholes who move in professional circles of finance or politics, which it turns out is an incredibly difficult kind of person to listen to for light podcasting.
I do like Lions Led By Donkey's and I can even get why Joe has the opinions he does on AES countries (well mostly the USSR); I just find it tiring how people overuse the word tankie

Kind of funny how Tom Pain is a ML doing a show with Liam; which granted is how it should be because US Anarchists are the biggest weenies when it comes to MLs; seriously why litigate over Krondstat since it has no relevance in any future potential US revolution; the worst thing an ML can do to you is invite you to a reading group where they will call you an anarkiddie.

My favorite episode is probably the El Faro, though wish Liam was on that one, WTYP is prime time stealing for my work; I like the Titanic series as well just from an informative level.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

achillesforever6 posted:

wish Liam was on that one
why

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

achillesforever6 posted:

I do like Lions Led By Donkey's and I can even get why Joe has the opinions he does on AES countries (well mostly the USSR); I just find it tiring how people overuse the word tankie

Kind of funny how Tom Pain is a ML doing a show with Liam; which granted is how it should be because US Anarchists are the biggest weenies when it comes to MLs; seriously why litigate over Krondstat since it has no relevance in any future potential US revolution; the worst thing an ML can do to you is invite you to a reading group where they will call you an anarkiddie.

My favorite episode is probably the El Faro, though wish Liam was on that one, WTYP is prime time stealing for my work; I like the Titanic series as well just from an informative level.

Someone at The World Transformed (UK left political festival) asked "why the gently caress are we still caring about which side people are on of a factional debate that happened over a century ago in a different country" and I was like, yeah

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

but also anarchists are baby birds who need to be coddled and fledged

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

what do anarchists say on the infrastructure show? do they like imminent domain?

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
I feel like if you're an anarchist and want to do a local project like a commune fair enough, but I've never had an actual explanation for how anarchism takes power which I feel like is a pretty insurmountable knock

I agree with Matt Christman where he said that anarchists are leftists who can't handle the brutality necessary to form a socialist state

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

MikeCrotch posted:

I agree with Matt Christman where he said that anarchists are leftists who can't handle the brutality necessary to form a socialist state

still my favorite moment from the street fight facebook group was the giant fight about whether it was okay to kill the romanov children. brynn from beep beep lettuce peaced out from the group on that one

Fish of hemp
Apr 1, 2011

A friendly little mouse!

i say swears online posted:

still my favorite moment from the street fight facebook group was the giant fight about whether it was okay to kill the romanov children. brynn from beep beep lettuce peaced out from the group on that one

It wasn't okay but if those children's death hurt you and all the deaths that Nicholas II caused don't, you might want to think about your life.

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.
Maoists teaching emperor Puyi to be a good communist was a huge flex on the USSR.

Isentropy
Dec 12, 2010

Speleothing posted:

Maoists teaching emperor Puyi to be a good communist was a huge flex on the USSR.

and he got pissed off during the Gang of Four because his comrades - his words - were being mistreated. they fully converted him

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Speleothing posted:

Maoists teaching emperor Puyi to be a good communist was a huge flex on the USSR.

it was easier as a former colonial subject with the backing of the ussr to make this work as opposed to the poo poo show of the revolution/civil war with the rest of europe baying for communist blood

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

Fish of hemp posted:

It wasn't okay but if those children's death hurt you and all the deaths that Nicholas II caused don't, you might want to think about your life.

Both those bad things were bad, you don't need to take sides it's not sports

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Bug Squash posted:

Both those bad things were bad, you don't need to take sides it's not sports

extinguishing a european monarchical line is the epitome of good lmao bitch

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

Trash Ops posted:

extinguishing a european monarchical line is the epitome of good lmao bitch

There is an actual official successor running around right now. At least he was turning his wedding into a pro-orthodox/putin propaganda piece a year ago.

If killing those children actually had extinguished the monarchical line, there might be a plausible argument even if I personally disagree with it.
But without even achieving that it is just the kind of useless brutality that is a sign of a new government turning into a shitshow.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

VictualSquid posted:

There is an actual official successor running around right now. At least he was turning his wedding into a pro-orthodox/putin propaganda piece a year ago.

If killing those children actually had extinguished the monarchical line, there might be a plausible argument even if I personally disagree with it.
But without even achieving that it is just the kind of useless brutality that is a sign of a new government turning into a shitshow.

Direct heirs are going to have a far more symbolic then a third removed cousin; the timing was because the Bolshevik position was potentially being compromised. It is sad but also the unfortunate result of genetically rooted monarchical system.

Also, I am unsure if you know about the Russian Civil War.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

Ardennes posted:

Direct heirs are going to have a far more symbolic then a third removed cousin; the timing was because the Bolshevik position was potentially being compromised. It is sad but also the unfortunate result of genetically rooted monarchical system.

Also, I am unsure if you know about the Russian Civil War.

The deeply unpopular Czar with virtually no support? Even most Bolsheviks thought killing him was a bit silly. The out of country relatives were the only real concern for a revival.

One day leftism will progress from relitigating even Lenin's obvious gently caress ups, but not yet.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Bug Squash posted:

The deeply unpopular Czar with virtually no support? Even most Bolsheviks thought killing him was a bit silly. The out of country relatives were the only real concern for a revival.

One day leftism will progress from relitigating even Lenin's obvious gently caress ups, but not yet.

Notable White Generals like Wrangel were still monarchists.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Bug Squash posted:

The deeply unpopular Czar with virtually no support? Even most Bolsheviks thought killing him was a bit silly. The out of country relatives were the only real concern for a revival.

One day leftism will progress from relitigating even Lenin's obvious gently caress ups, but not yet.

Yep, definitely no history of restorationist psychopaths in Europe.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

ikanreed posted:

Yep, definitely no history of restorationist psychopaths in Europe.

they should have got Anastasia before she could be exploited by western capitalist media in the 90s

Weembles
Apr 19, 2004

Are we allowed to post non czar news in this thread?

https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1579158143430295552?s=20&t=rfHfcc2MLH1v3Tw_CUJ2rw

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
my man actually posted his way to the NYT Editorial Page. the Full GetFiscal!

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Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames
that can't be a nyt guest opinion piece, it is too coherent

why read op-eds if it isn't to mock the lunatic writing it?

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