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Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
I don't know why they even bother to wink when both Chip and for a brief moment, Betty were camming from home in what were definitely supposed to be sexual situations.

Wouldn't be the first thing straight up forgotten on this show. Which is why I expected the tickle thing have just been dropped after it stopped coming up.

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
On the other hand I do appreciate Hiram reacting to the disaster of school prom being cancelled with the same gravity as a bunch of lowlife thugs threatening his daughter and beating the poo poo out of him. Peak Riverdale.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Sometimes it's worth remembering that these sexy teen shows are made for teenagers to ogle at, and most of us watching aren't the right demo for it.

That said Riverdale is the worst at straddling the line of '20 somethings being sexy teens for teens to lust over' and 'lol what the gently caress i feel weird watching this'.

It's strange. Half the time when watching Riverdale I don't even think about how the characters are all supposed to be teens-- it's hard to even remember that when most of the screen time is either Betty chasing a murder case, Archie running a community centre ??? or Veronica running a bar and manufacturing loving rum. But then they have the Vixens show up or do a musical episode and then I'm reminded that they are, indeed, supposed to be teenagers and it gets weirder than if the show was clearly a sexy high school drama the whole time.

idk i'm stoned

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Shoehead posted:

Riverdale, at least in its earlier seasons, was trying to serve up Twin Peaks with a side of Veronica Mars, and I feel like the Veronica Mars part got stronger and stronger.

I should really finish S3 of Twin Peaks... It's not like I've not got the time!


Also Jesus, Ethel go on pornhub, dude, come on!

Shower thought: Ethel is too woke to use pornhub knowing their lax behaviour towards the child pornography and actual rape videos on their site so she feels more comfortable watching people she knows for sure are consenting participants

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

esperterra posted:

idk i'm stoned

it enhances the Riverdale experience.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

Eej posted:

Shower thought: Ethel is too woke to use pornhub knowing their lax behaviour towards the child pornography and actual rape videos on their site so she feels more comfortable watching people she knows for sure are consenting participants

This woulda worked out for her if the Blue Velvet wasn't selling snuff and revenge porn. But she defo learned that lesson.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Shoehead posted:

This woulda worked out for her if the Blue Velvet wasn't selling snuff and revenge porn. But she defo learned that lesson.

I like that at the start with voyeur stuff they paid lip service to the idea this show is supposed to be contemporary and acknowledged that hardly anyone even still owns a VCR and they had to go searching through their garage to find an old one, and then several months later there's a thriving VHS rental place that also has the dirty back room stuff that had mostly been eliminated when Blockbuster almost completely took over that market back when the parents on the show were in high school.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Oh along those lines I loved Mr Honey's ancient ancient colour tv. It's like a 70 year old set

Malpais Legate
Oct 1, 2014

I'm finally getting around to watching the finale-not-finale and I am losing my poo poo over "who has experience getting rid of a dead body?" and literally everyone but the guy who's been employed for several seasons as a thug by Veronica raises their hands.

It's peak Riverdale.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
Joke's on Jughead, Reggie totally has experience disposing of a body since he killed his dad.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
I totally forgot that was a theory and now I have no choice but to accept it as canon.

Sgt. Politeness
Sep 29, 2003

I've seen shit you people wouldn't believe. Cop cars on fire off the shoulder of I-94. I watched search lights glitter in the dark near the Ambassador Bridge. All those moments will be lost in time, like piss in the drain. Time to retch.
Until proven otherwise, I don't see why not.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
I refuse to beleive that they talked it out offscreen and that's all we get. I mean in part because in weird language of narrative that 100% means Reggie was lying, but also because I wanted them to sort it out properly, and on camera. It seems like such a big thing to just handwave away. Although I guess this show has handwaved more important stuff? ( Oh Mom, you're gay? Cool I have a thing bye! *never speaks about it again*)

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
Eh, Archie's mom's personal life has never been a huge topic for the show and he's got plenty of gay/lesbian friends that it makes sense it wouldn't phase him. If Luke Perry hadn't died and Archie was still hoping his parents would get back together it might make sense for that to cause tension, but given everything else it makes sense for that not to be a huge deal.

Tragedienne
Sep 7, 2007

"I need your stage no longer. I dance for myself."

Phylodox posted:

Joke's on Jughead, Reggie totally has experience disposing of a body since he killed his dad.

Who says he disposed of the body? Gotta keep something around for fatherly advice.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
S4 thoughts:
This show is an English language Telenovella.

The Mr. Honey episode was fluff, the season really could’ve ended when they revealed the murder mystery and it would’ve been fine. Plus, there’s absolutely no reason they can’t spike his job at Stonewall by releasing the tape he made (assuming he's alive). The tickling plot line was psychotic, and it’s bizarre that they ended a PTA plotline, where we prove characters can solve murders by themselves, by having them snitch to their parents.

But I liked the Hedgewig episode, it was worse than Heather‘s or carrie tho.

And I wish we had more from Veronica and Hiram, there’s no way you can read that plot is anything but comedic as they have an entirely offscreen business competition.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




As far as I can tell (I haven't caught up to this season yet), Veronica's storyline since S1 has just been an eternal loop of 'i love my daddykins so much. no wait no i refuse to work with him. but i love my daddykins so much'

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Golden Bee posted:

S4 thoughts:
This show is an English language Telenovella.

It's true, and you should say it.

Golden Bee posted:

And I wish we had more from Veronica and Hiram, there’s no way you can read that plot is anything but comedic as they have an entirely offscreen business competition.

There are so many interesting things that could be done with those two characters, but the show keeps repeating the same awful arc again and again. I mean, it wasn't awful the first time, it was good when Veronica finally broke away from her bad, but she KEEPS GOING BACK TO HIM. It's not just frustrating at this point, it's dull.

esperterra posted:

As far as I can tell (I haven't caught up to this season yet), Veronica's storyline since S1 has just been an eternal loop of 'i love my daddykins so much. no wait no i refuse to work with him. but i love my daddykins so much'

Also, Archie has just kind of forgotten about Hiram trying to kill him.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

esperterra posted:

As far as I can tell (I haven't caught up to this season yet), Veronica's storyline since S1 has just been an eternal loop of 'i love my daddykins so much. no wait no i refuse to work with him. but i love my daddykins so much'

I find the constant refrain of "daddykins" and "papi" from the Lodge daughters to be weird as gently caress.

I mean, we're supposed to believe these people are 17/18 and she's being portrayed as some legit business threat to her father, a mob controlling multi-state empire running murdering monster. You can stretch reality pretty far in this show but even that is too much.

Tragedienne
Sep 7, 2007

"I need your stage no longer. I dance for myself."
Riverdale: "I love you, lovely mob dad."

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
I wonder if we’re going to see Polly again or if the actress is on another show or what.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Also, where the Hell did those babies go?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Also, where the Hell did those babies go?

Weren't they at Cheryl's?

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
They’re in the nursery with Nana Rose, until they can be played by child actors.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Golden Bee posted:

They’re in the nursery with Nana Rose, until they can be played by child actors.

There was talk about next season being after a 5 year time jump, but I don't remember if that was our idle speculation or there was something concrete behind it. Of course that was also before this season was cut short due to the world ending.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




The time jump is happening for sure, about five years or so. But they're going to do it a few episodes into the next season, it sounds like this year's finale was supposed to kick off the jump, but obvs production didn't get to finish properly.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Why were Cheryl and Tony fighting last season? Because it seems now that latter is willing to put up with any level of psychosis.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Golden Bee posted:

Why were Cheryl and Tony fighting last season? Because it seems now that latter is willing to put up with any level of psychosis.

Yeah that definitely made me pause the episode and rewind to make sure it happened.

By the time of the family dinner with the uncle and aunt I just went "yeah sure, Toni's onboard for any Blossom shenanigans now I guess"

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Also I love that Cheryl gave Toni her own gang. That’s loving funny. We are the pretty poison scene again after their archery event at the climax of season three?

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Golden Bee posted:

Why were Cheryl and Tony fighting last season? Because it seems now that latter is willing to put up with any level of psychosis.

Not just put up, but also actively participate, remember how Toni just straight up killed a guy and didn't care at all? I know he was an rear end in a top hat, but Betty is over there having an existential crisis because she has "serial killer genes" while Toni is over here just murdering dudes and not giving a gently caress.

Golden Bee posted:

Also I love that Cheryl gave Toni her own gang. That’s loving funny. We are the pretty poison scene again after their archery event at the climax of season three?

Also, the fight last season between Toni and Cheryl was because Cheryl was being too controlling and micromanaging the gang she gave Toni.

I don't blame you for not remembering this, like most plotlines on Riverdale it's so ridiculous that the human brain tries to reflexively block it out as a self defense mechanism against insanity.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
It’s always funny when you see sweet pea or someone puts on their southside serpents jacket, and you realize that half the cast were in a violent International street gang that started as a native American tribe. Like, the lodges and Archie‘s mom are the only main characters who weren’t hugely involved in the gang at some point in their lives.

This season would’ve been more interesting if Veronica and Jughead switched plotlines. We haven’t seen enough of jughead versus Hiram.

Golden Bee fucked around with this message at 09:17 on Jun 9, 2020

Malpais Legate
Oct 1, 2014

Golden Bee posted:

It’s always funny when you see sweet pea or someone puts on their southside serpents jacket, and you realize that half the cast were in a violent street gang. Like, the lodges and Archie‘s mom are the only main characters who weren’t hugely involved in the gang at some point in their lives.

The Lodges literally run organized crime, that's basically a gang.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
I forget, how Did FP get his job back? He quit around Thanksgiving time but got his job back in time to investigate jugheads death. He said he was willing to be a serpent and the chief of police but I don’t think that ever really came up.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
Has Betty ever really interacted with Hiram?

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




cant cook creole bream posted:

Has Betty ever really interacted with Hiram?

I ...






.... I don't think so. I can't think of a single scene they've had together that wasn't a group scene with a bunch of the parents. And I honestly can't even think of one of those either. Maybe during the D&D poo poo?

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
https://youtu.be/Ad9rowUM7tQ Can’t find anything one on one.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
The season finale where they get their parents to confront the principal about prom Hiram and Betty are both on camera at the same time, but I don't think they say anything to each other.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Clearly Betty and Hiram are the same person.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.
Betty figure things out, Hiram makes absolutely no effort to hide his criminality. I imagine a plot line with both of them could be resolved in three sentences.

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Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Rhyno posted:

Clearly Betty and Hiram are the same person.

I just said they were on camera at the same time

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