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Hunh, this seems like a fun time. Is it too late to get in on the action? I'd love to try commanding a submarine or two.
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Check in with the Japan thread, they've got a few subs with multiple commanders.
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Nov 15, 2018 03:50
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Though their number of subs is diminishing steadily...
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Think after a couple early hiccups the Russians are getting a lot better and more focused.
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Yeah, the Russian subs really poo poo the bed early. That snorkeling Kilo had me laughing madly for a good five minutes.
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The Japanese side is putting a lot of aircraft in the air. With their 20-hour turnaround time, even if they wreck the opposition, they'll be reduced to little more than observers for quite a while. I guess Russians don't have anything to threaten their airbases with? In any case, every time I see F-15J's engage, I can't but hear: "Kill Wyvern, kill Wyvern."
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The loadout is pretty limited for the Russians right now. No FAB's or cluster munitions or other fun stuff. It's likely we'll see a pretty hefty blowout in the next 30 minutes. So I might trickle in some new units if we hit a lull. If you have ideas  and we'll discuss. The Japanese might get some F-2's with a weird loadout, while I thought maybe a Blackjack, Backfire or a Fullback for the Russians? The Japanese have 4 runways at Chitose so if the Russians knock one out it's not the end of the world.Whatcha guys think?
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I'm not familiar with this game so I can't speak for that, but it might be interesting to drop an uninvolved third party into the war zone without telling anyone - say a civilian ship accidentally blundering into the area or a third nation's submarine gathering intel, to add some potential for things getting ugly in the fog of war and potentially setting up another scenario.
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Cythereal posted:I'm not familiar with this game so I can't speak for that, but it might be interesting to drop an uninvolved third party into the war zone without telling anyone - say a civilian ship accidentally blundering into the area or a third nation's submarine gathering intel, to add some potential for things getting ugly in the fog of war and potentially setting up another scenario. ...or a snooping NorK submarine
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Cythereal posted:I'm not familiar with this game so I can't speak for that, but it might be interesting to drop an uninvolved third party into the war zone without telling anyone - say a civilian ship accidentally blundering into the area or a third nation's submarine gathering intel, to add some potential for things getting ugly in the fog of war and potentially setting up another scenario. Oh, good idea. A Chinese seems like the best bet in this scenario - they would be very interested in what's going on, but not likely to share information that they had a sub in the area with either country involved.
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Notahippie posted:Oh, good idea. A Chinese seems like the best bet in this scenario - they would be very interested in what's going on, but not likely to share information that they had a sub in the area with either country involved. I like this idea. Introduce, say, a Song or Han snooping in the middle of the battle that both sides detect simultaneously. I don't think a Chinese submarine gathering intelligence would occur to the players on either side as a possibility, and regardless of the outcome of this scenario if someone sinks a modern Chinese fast attack sub during all this fracas it could make things very interesting indeed.
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Cythereal posted:I like this idea. Introduce, say, a Song or Han snooping in the middle of the battle that both sides detect simultaneously. I don't think a Chinese submarine gathering intelligence would occur to the players on either side as a possibility, and regardless of the outcome of this scenario if someone sinks a modern Chinese fast attack sub during all this fracas it could make things very interesting indeed. Lusitania 2.0
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TBF I think both sides have discussed that they explicitly don't expect to see any civilians. So yeah, put in a Chinese ship full of puppies and youth break dancing squads and see what happens.
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A large yacht full of rich American and European tourists paying top dollar to see a war start. Front row seats to history in the making
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Wow. Russian Air Force is not having a good time.
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They've very much got the potential to cut those eagles off and just roll the dice at them until they get kills though. I'm inclined to agree with the Russian thread that this exchange will be worth it for them.
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The Russians have a faster turnaround time on thier jets and the IJN lost half thier fighters and basically has one flight left available to launch, the rest aren't going to be available for another 15-20 hours. And at this point hte Russians have lost defensive air assets, but still have their ASW flights and support assets intact (fuelers, etc) so it hasn't impacted upon thier ability to hold off the IJN naval assets, and the convoy still isn't on anyone's radar. I think taking out more of the Japanese fighters early helps the Russians more in the long run?
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I sincerely hope that Russian "media site" image they've cooked up can be posted to the Japanese thread. I'd love to see both sides issue press releases like that.
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HereticMIND posted:If this wasn't blaring over the comnet when that MiG was making its gun-run, the Russians shouldn't even consider getting that pilot back/giving them a funeral. That is a motherfucking pro-rear end click right there. Where has that been all my (flight-simming) life ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bqx2wIQtKo
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Loxbourne posted:I sincerely hope that Russian "media site" image they've cooked up can be posted to the Japanese thread. I'd love to see both sides issue press releases like that. Can you just post it here? That sounds like a good post so as long as it doesnt violate opsec
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Can you just post it here? That sounds like a good post so as long as it doesnt violate opsec  The Russians in their thread have actually asked observers to pass it to the Japanese side. Shall we, or would Yooper prefer to do the honours?
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Should you really be posting/reading in here given that you have declared for Anime? Unless I missed something in the OP this is a thread where its cool to post inside information to laugh at it better, which it seems players shouldn't be able to read.
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Radio Free Kobold posted:this is the best thing haha Yah, per Pharnakes, you've enlisted, this is for observer chat. I'll pass along the article to the thread.
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Yooper did you by any chance capture the last massive air engagement on video along with screenshots? Watching this whole thing unfold "live" would be something to see I bet
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Yooper did you by any chance capture the last massive air engagement on video along with screenshots? Watching this whole thing unfold "live" would be something to see I bet Unfortunately no. Doing both sides I have to switch back and forth from one side to the other and screen cap constantly. It'd be difficult to try and stitch video clips together, if not impossible.
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This is a really cool thread(s) to follow along but, uh, who is winning?
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Some jams, in honour of the ridiculous six hour trip down a highway with a Patriot missile battery in the middle of a shooting war that Japan is planning on making: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZcCErplhTg Edit: if they don’t get noticed, and if they can wait unti the right moment to turn on their radar, and if they get there in relevant time, this could be a stroke of pure genius David Corbett fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:This is a really cool thread(s) to follow along but, uh, who is winning? Right now I'd say the Russians are actually fulfilling their strategic goal better than Japan, but they're taking a lot of losses.
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The Russians want to make a corridor to get thier convoy through. Losses are generally immaterial to that strategically beyond whether it lets them do so more efficiently. the Russian ASW and support units are mostly intact and the Japanese don't have more than a flight or two of fighters on standby and it takes at least 20 hours for them to get the next turnaround up. And they lost at least half if not more of their fighters. The Russians (I think?) now have more freedom to use thier ASW assets to hound the Japanese subs, which ar eth biggest threats to their convoy. And the Japanese are hemmed in using thier own air assets due to lack fo escorts and knowledge of local air superiority while the Russians know they probably have the iar mostly free till the Japanese get more flights up. So long term the Japanese losing most of thier active fighters early -probably- benefits the Russians as it limits the Japanese ability to herd the convoy or isolate it or get aggressive.
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On the other hand the Russians currently have 0 air to air assets ready, if the Japanese realise this and get cheeky with their phantoms they could win in the next few hours.
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PSA: The Holiday Sale is here!     
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I love this "game"
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Think the Russians are starting to pull ahead here. The Japanese are out of plane reserves and have long turnarounds wit minimal air assets they can throw up, and the Russians seem a lot more coordinated after thier earlier losses at the start of the match. Think on a meta level they're starting to equalize losses, have mostly nautralized the Japanese air force, and are starting to thin out the subs.
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I'm fairly certain if the P-3's could get into the sub area they'd sniff out some Russia assets. But in order to do that they need air cover, which won't be ready for another 17 hours. I was going to trickle in more assets but I'm not sure what I can bring in that will shift things too far. There's not enough axis's of force to trim without throwing it out of balance.
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I kind of feel like the Japanese were way to aggressive with their subs, although they did get 2 lucky kills from it. But operating so deep into Russian air space just means they will get picked to pieces by the bears without much they can do about it. If they waited and had this fight a couple hundred miles south then the p3s could have been supporting them and probably would have wrecked the Russian subs.
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ScottyJSno posted:What do the grey (x) on the maps mean? Reference points. You use them as boundaries for mission areas and such. If I click them they turn yellow and display the name, or number, assigned.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:So not being too cognizant of sub warfare, is there an advantage depending on how you are vis a vis the layer, like below or above? In aerial combat the higher attacker has the advantage, but how does that translate to subs, if at all? I ask because it seems like the Russians are all above the layer while most of Japan's subs are below. You’ve got some basic areas in your sea. Near the surface, the water is warmed by the sun and isn’t under as much pressure. Around two hundred feet down, light ceases to warm it, and it starts to get colder and more pressurized. What this shakes out as is that the speed of sound in the channel - the surface bit - varies down to the layer, which is the mixing layer of warm and cold water, then below the layer, which is dark, cold and dense. This means that above the layer, in the channel, there’s a refractive effect for soundwaves travelling through and below the layer. In short, when the density is constant, the speed of sound remains constant; when it changes, the speed of sound changes. This works for active and passive sonar. Now most subs after the cold war use a ‘towed array’ for passive listening. This thing follows on a cable, but is steerable like a kite, so submarines just below the layer will listen above the layer, and subs above the layer will listen below. Being in the channel, or listening in the channel is good for surface contacts, or just drifting and listening. Below the layer is normal for hunting, and deep is for transitting. Periscope depth gives you radar and mk1 eyeball in CMANO, but it’s risky with bears around. The subs have green circles surrounding them. These are convergence zones, areas where the soundwaves have actually bent, and carry sound further from the source. A note on cavitation; this is a side-effect of whipping a solid object through water that causes air bubbles to collapse, and it’s bad in liquid-ring vacuum pumps because it causes pitting, but it’s bad for submarines and ships because it sounds like someone throwing gravel into a waste disposal. Cavitation kills submarines because it pinpoints your position for hundreds of miles. Even if you attempt to creep away, the uncertainty circle of your position only gets so much bigger over time. The denser the water, the less oxygen and the less chance to cavitate. It does not mean that you are quieter, however. Dashing around without knowing who is in the neighborhood isn’t a good idea. A loud submarine is a dead submarine. Loving the LP, that strike on the radars was awesome.
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Hav posted:You’ve got some basic areas in your sea. Near the surface, the water is warmed by the sun and isn’t under as much pressure. Around two hundred feet down, light ceases to warm it, and it starts to get colder and more pressurized. Adding to this, there are ways to detect submarines besides sound. What let the Bear pick up and kill the latest sub was the Bear's MAD - Magnetic Anomaly Detector. The technology is complicated and MADs have a lot of uses in civilian geological and oceanographic research, but for these purposes, at heart it boils down to putting a giant magnet in a plane and waiting for it to detect something big and ferrous underneath the plane - like a submarine.
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