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There’s no doubt those people are going to do it, so I’m not even giving them the time of day. What Ed did was bad. He was inappropriately private messaging, potentially grooming underage girls in DMs. Other people shared similar creepy stories of interacting with him. I wish he had just owned up to what he did, gone away, worked on himself. Found another hustle in some other field. It always seemed unlikely. He, by his own admittance, lived and breathed comics. No idea what else he would have done. I’m sad at the loss of talent. I’m sad for his family. I’m sad for Jim Rugg. I’m sad about what his victims will feel and what they’ll have to deal with now, as he pretty directly accused them of causing this in his note. I’m sad that he felt this was the only option. It very much wasn’t, and I’m sure his decision here was the culmination of lots of issues we were not privy to. I liked Piskor’s work a lot. I’ve been reading him since my freshman year of college, when I randomly found Wizzywig. Like I said, I was a big fan of CK. It was only a week ago I was watching a new video with him and Rugg in it. Hard to believe he’s gone. It’s a flurry of weird emotions. What a lovely situation all around. Rip Ed, I guess
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Well, looks like we have it. https://twitter.com/ctropes/status/1774891424364040250?t=4X5dnm4u9uH0mUIl0ZANrg
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Conrad_Birdie posted:There’s no doubt those people are going to do it, so I’m not even giving them the time of day. Yeah this sums up my feelings. Also CG was ripping hard into Ed so that’s a pretty rich take from them. e: gently caress. I feel really bad for his family, his friends, and his victims Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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The Last Call posted:Well, looks like we have it. He’s talked about his own issues with suicidal thoughts, I hope this doesn’t take him back there. He’s a super nice guy.
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Looks like he called out specific people as directly responsible so they're getting harassment going out like a true loser
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Evan Dorkin responded: https://twitter.com/evandorkin/status/1774902485460689168 I'd been following Darryl Ayo's posts about it on bluesky and I thought as far as criticism goes it was pretty lukewarm, and nowhere near the level of, say, what people are throwing at Evan Dorkin right now.
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Some grifter trying to sell a book about 'cancel culture' hopped on the minute his death was confirmed. Goddamn ghouls.
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Cross posting from the Online Creators thread: I admit I really liked Hip Hop Family Tree back in the day, and it is sad that he felt that he felt no other alternative, but also angry that he did it in what is apparently (I am sorry, but I am not reading a suicide note) the most spiteful, childish way.
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I don’t see how anyone could in good faith (the key distinction) see the criticism Ed Piskor got from other professionals and think that it was in any way abusive or even unfair. He could have apologized or released a statement through an attorney or just stayed completely quiet and endured another two weeks of people making fun of him online before he was old news and he probably could have even gone back to doing comics after a while. He was just incapable of being able to see that, which is not the problem of people who saw how he was lovely and selfish.
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Looks like news is emerging that alt comic artist Ed Piskor has sadly taken his own life just days after being accused of predatory behaviour towards female fans (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Joe Fisto posted:Some grifter trying to sell a book about 'cancel culture' hopped on the minute his death was confirmed. Goddamn ghouls. There were a few assholes in the comment thread on Sienkewicz's post. Ghoul is the right word.
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Jesus Christ, I take my eye off of both this thread and Cartoonist Kayfabe for one week and it all goes to poo poo. I'm not on social media anymore (unless youtube is social media) so these forums tend to be where I get my pop culture news. I enjoyed CK a lot and found Piskor to be entertaining, I had no idea that he was creepy (aside from how hosed up Red Room looks). I'm just now finding out about this allegations at the same time as his suicide but info is limited if you're not on twitter, etc. Could someone fill me in on the Evan Dorkin stuff? He's long been a favorite of mine, I'm curious how he factors into all of this mess.
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Happy Hippo posted:I'm just now finding out about this allegations at the same time as his suicide but info is limited if you're not on twitter, etc. Could someone fill me in on the Evan Dorkin stuff? He's long been a favorite of mine, I'm curious how he factors into all of this mess. As far as anyone knows all Dorkin did was criticize Kayfabe, not even the allegations against Piskor. There's been nothing against Evan as far as I'm aware.
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Happy Hippo posted:I'm just now finding out about this allegations at the same time as his suicide but info is limited if you're not on twitter, etc. Could someone fill me in on the Evan Dorkin stuff? He's long been a favorite of mine, I'm curious how he factors into all of this mess. 1) Dorkin put Piskor on blast on Twitter when the abuse allegations came out. 2) Piskor name-checked Dorkin in his suicide note (IIRC, saying that he hopes someday all of the skeletons in Dorkin's closet come tumbling out) 3) Dorkin responded (as seen in Fritz's post above) 4) The usual suspects are swarming in Dorkin's mentions
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FMguru posted:From what I've put together. I don’t even think Ed said there were skeletons, just that he hopes they come out. Honestly if Ed knew of any it feels like he would have just said them.
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Jordan7hm posted:I don’t even think Ed said there were skeletons, just that he hopes they come out. Honestly if Ed knew of any it feels like he would have just said them. I've not read the entire Piskor resignation letter but from what little of it that's been quoted elsewhere it seems like Ed went out doing as much damage as possible so yeah, I bet he'd have outed Dorkin if he had anything on him. Happy Hippo fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Apr 3, 2024 |
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Happy Hippo posted:I've not read the entire Piskor resignation letter but from what little of it that's been quoted elsewhere it seems like Ed went out doing as much damage as possible so yeah, I bet he'd have outed Dorkin if he had anything on him. Didn't read the letter but based on what people have said and recounted of it, the whole thing came off as a final "FU, I hope you get yours for causing me this grief" letter. Piskor knew what he was doing saying the names he did. He knew what would happen. Like the rest of what he did, he refused to accept the consequences for his actions to the very end and made sure to toss some gasoline onto the pile before removing himself.
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Not taking accountability for his poor choices, blaming victims and those who brought it to light, siccing the internet weirdos on them and then peacing out. I’m thinking maybe he wasn’t a nice person.
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One thing that really stands out in his letter how he expects everyone from his orbit to clean up the mess he left behind him. From his agent to Jim Rugg, Ed seems to guilt everyone into tying up his loose ends and taking care of his family. It’s done in such a matter of fact way that I found it quite upsetting. Really feel bad for Rugg at the moment.
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FMguru posted:From what I've put together. Dorkin didn't even put Piskor on blast, he quoted tweeted a tweet describing the allegations, and obliquely tweeted about how people should behave better in positions of trust. What Dorkin has done was heavily criticise Cartoonist Kayfabe and Piskor's past work.
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I mean, I don't think suicide is ever the answer, but it seems like the accusations against Piskor weren't even that bad, right? like, just inappropriate communication with underage fans, he wasn't getting them to send him nudes and he wasn't meeting them in person, if I'm not mistaken. It's still terrible behavior but Vic Mignona for example was accused of a lot worse and he's still around
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Air Skwirl posted:I mean, I don't think suicide is ever the answer, but it seems like the accusations against Piskor weren't even that bad, right? like, just inappropriate communication with underage fans, he wasn't getting them to send him nudes and he wasn't meeting them in person, if I'm not mistaken. It's still terrible behavior but Vic Mignona for example was accused of a lot worse and he's still around Men don’t deal with their mental health issues very well and it makes me sad.
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Air Skwirl posted:I mean, I don't think suicide is ever the answer, but it seems like the accusations against Piskor weren't even that bad, right? like, just inappropriate communication with underage fans, he wasn't getting them to send him nudes and he wasn't meeting them in person, if I'm not mistaken. It's still terrible behavior but Vic Mignona for example was accused of a lot worse and he's still around I know that a lot of us are dulled due to spending a lot of time online, but "credibly accused of attempted pedophilia" is 100% a life-ruining thing no matter what the actual outcome is. Even if he got nothing worse than a slap on the wrist and a side-eye, it's still the kind of thing he'd never escape from.
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Happy Hippo posted:Not to bang on about Dorkin, but what exactly were his criticisms of Cartoonist Kayfabe and Piskor's work? https://twitter.com/evandorkin/status/1648196246220206082?t=6OlN0FO5H_9Cmqya-tCgKg&s=19
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Happy Hippo posted:Not to bang on about Dorkin, but what exactly were his criticisms of Cartoonist Kayfabe and Piskor's work?
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Air Skwirl posted:I mean, I don't think suicide is ever the answer, but it seems like the accusations against Piskor weren't even that bad, right? like, just inappropriate communication with underage fans, he wasn't getting them to send him nudes and he wasn't meeting them in person, if I'm not mistaken. It's still terrible behavior but Vic Mignona for example was accused of a lot worse and he's still around he was in fact trying to get a 17yo to come stay with him
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Air Skwirl posted:I mean, I don't think suicide is ever the answer, but it seems like the accusations against Piskor weren't even that bad, right? like, just inappropriate communication with underage fans, he wasn't getting them to send him nudes and he wasn't meeting them in person, if I'm not mistaken. It's still terrible behavior but Vic Mignona for example was accused of a lot worse and he's still around I don’t know Piskor’s personal life at all, but I read his suicide note, and it painted a picture of… I don’t know, fragility. His community and his entire sense of self was wrapped up in comics. I don’t know if he had anything else.
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