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Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
I've always thought Maher was an unfunny hack, and lost even most respect for him when he made his talk show into a forum for people like Milo Y. and Steve Bannon, but that really pissed me off. I have a scholarly article coming out next year about comics, so on top of dissing Stan Lee and all comic book fans, I got so steamed when he said that kind of writing isn't even real scholarship. I'm sure he has plenty of advanced degrees to know the difference.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Maelstache posted:

I recently revisited some Year 2000 issues of Ultimate Spider-Man, and oh boy, this series has not aged well.

The editor also makes a joke of it in his introduction, "What was [Mark] thinking when he rendered the lovely MJ on page 22? You don't wanna know!"

Holy poo poo.

I mean, at the very least it's unpleasantly sleazy if not downright creepy, and the fact Bagley casually admits to perving over an underage girl, even an entirely fictional one, just boggles my mind. That and the fact editorial were happy to run it with little more than a jokey aside, what the hell were they thinking?

Back then, Bill Jemas was Marvel's publisher with Quesada as Editor in Chief, and they both went for a sleazier, more adult vibe for Marvel at that time. I remember some kind of porn-looking X-Men manga series (Phoenix?), Chuck Austen writing weird sex stuff into mainstream X-Men, Millar doing creepy, pervy, unsettling stuff in Ultimate X-Men and Ultimates, some Howard Stern writer's gay panicky Rawhide Kid series, and Jemas' own sleazy, joke-free "comedy" Marville.

They had some great stuff going too, like Milligan and Allred's X-Force, a lot of people loved Morrison's New X-Men, and of course Bendis' Ultimate Spidey and Daredevil (before he made New Avengers his own thing), but they were definitely trying to differentiate themselves from "stodgy" DC (who might have countered with Identity Crisis a year or two later) and '80s/'90s Marvel.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Dec 30, 2018

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Alaois posted:

Milligan and Allred's X-Force/X-Statix had plenty of sex stuff in it too, Milligan is just a far better writer and the Allred's art style brings an entirely different vibe to it.

Right, and it was a shocking book for its time. Wasn't their first issue in 2001 (#116) the first one published without the Comics Code Authority?

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Nowhere loving near, though if you don't count one-offs I think it's the first time an entire run was CCA-unapproved.

That's what I was thinking of, then. Thank you!

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

hadji murad posted:

This was Asgardian Wars by Art Adams. Think the New Mutants annual half. Just read it last week

Yeah, New Mutants Special Edition #1 and X-Men Annual #9. I got that Asgardian Wars TPB at Waldenbooks way back in the late '80s, when I was in 5th or 6th grade, and back then, I was pleasantly surprised and a little shocked by how pretty Arthur Adams drew his ladies. Of course, Chris Claremont being a kinky perv had a lot to do with some of those choices as well (see also: the Hellfire Club's costumes, the Goblyn Queen's outfit, Psylocke's transformation, etc.)

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Leonard Pitts Jr., one of the Miami Herald's best columnists, who specializes in race-related issues and is an unabashed comic book geek, wrote a very good column about Comicsgate:

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article223686400.html

MY MOM reads the Herald every day and told me about the article, although she never includes links in her e-mails to me! She wrote:

Lou's Mom posted:

I just read a long, disconcerting article in Sunday's Herald about Comicsgate...and the angry guys who resent changes in the Marvel Universe. (And women writers, artists and heroes.)
Gads, what punks.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Samovar posted:

YOUR MOM is pretty cool using the term 'Gads'.

joehonkie posted:

Honestly "Gads, what punks." is basically a brilliant and nearly Shakespearean way to sum up the whole thing.

Haha, thank you. She is a retired high school English teacher who spends most of her time writing poetry and children's books now. She has always had a way with words.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

CrcleSqreSanchz posted:

I know I haven't. I don't really pay attention to most concise these days, let alone behind the scenes stuff. Glad I know now Warren is a piece of poo poo, but man as Planetary's number one fan that suuuucks. gently caress you Ellis.

I've downsized my collection a lot over the past 20 years, to the point where the only Ellis books I still own are the Planetary TPBs. And dammit, I love them and don't want to get rid of them on principle, just like how L.A. Confidential is still one of my Top Five favorite movies of all time, despite the presence of Kevin Spacey.

But I used to be on the original Warren Ellis Forums, and he had this whole "Filthy Assistants" schtick with his all-female moderators, who he treated like a virtual harem. I'm disappointed, but I can't say this is a big surprise to me.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Aside from some pretty retrograde views of masculinity and general reliance on shock value (especially the recurring theme of rape as hilarious comedy), what else has Ennis done to become persona non grata?

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
I remember that Jae Lee became very popular in the early-mid '90s, around the time EVS was doing Cyberfrog, so Lee might have remembered him from Wizard ads back then, without having kept up to date on his career (or lack thereof).

I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone CG-adjacent, but if Lee is not on social media and they aren't close, that could have been the connection.

For what it's worth, if not for Twitter and especially BSS, I probably would never know about CG, and I try to stay on top of comics-related news that interests me.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jul 24, 2020

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Codependent Poster posted:

The BC article said that he did Cyberfrog drawings for Harris Comics in the 90s. So it might have just been "oh I used to draw this and it's back so sure I'll draw a cover" and he didn't look into EVS now owns it and EVS is part of comicsgate.

Ah, I didn't click the BC link because I usually don't read them, but I can buy that as an explanation.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

Okay, thanks. I’ll be skipping his Mister Miracle (heard it was good but who cares if he’s got this BS going on) and hoping it’s not drawn upon for the upcoming Fourth World film.

He's co-writing the film with Ava DuVernay.

Mister Miracle is stellar, so if you can check it out from a library, I'd still recommend it, even if you don't want to support his work with your wallet.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

HorseHeadBed posted:

What does A>E mean?

Actors > Executives?

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Physical media people, I'm trying to find new homes for a bunch of DVDs, in the off chance anyone is interested:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: The Chosen Collection (seasons 1-7 box set) (complete series)
Angel seasons 1-5 box set (complete series)
Justified seasons 1-6 box set (complete series)
Firefly season 1 and Serenity
Venture Bros. seasons 1 and 2
Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog
Goodfellas (special edition)
The Long Kiss Goodnight

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Agent Rush posted:

How much for The Long Kiss Goodnight?

Is $10 shipped within the U.S. acceptable? I could mail it tomorrow!

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Rhyno posted:

We should relocate the sales posts and try to get back on track, I apologize for starting yet another derail.

poo poo, I didn't even realize what thread we were in when I posted that!

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Vince MechMahon posted:

Which versions of Buffy and Angel? Like can you post a pic of those sets so I can see which version it is?

IUG posted:

Or make a SA Mart topic on it?

I have an SA-Mart thread, with photos of the sets. Please check it out!
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3881694

How Wonderful!, that's the last I'll talk about selling stuff in here, I promise.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Mister No posted:

in what ways isn't he?

a lot of criticism of Vaush gets tainted by the fact that as recently as like, this week, people were claiming that him liking Caravan Palace was proof of being pro-child grooming.

The French jazz group? What did they do?

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Mister No posted:





like i'm sure there's legitimate criticism of the guy that can be made, but everytime he does anything there's a gathering of people waiting to make it out like the worst thing

Electro-swing is weird and precious, and I can never listen to it for too long, but I appreciate any attempts to introduce a new audience to jazz and swing. This was my introduction to Caravan Palace and electro-swing, and I fully expect all of y'all to hate it. I appreciate what they're doing, but I can never make it through the whole album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_IAwhcE_Bc

But hell, I was (and still am) a huge fan of the late '90s swing revival scene. That was when I was in college, so I loved putting on a thrift store suit and my two-tone Docs, going to shows, and checking out the girls with Bettie Page hair, or better yet, playing in bands at the time. Was it also kind of corny? YES, absolutely, but I like to think it brought new fans to the older, better music too.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jan 18, 2021

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Soonmot posted:

I feel the same way. I have a caro emerald station on Pandora that gets done electro swing mixed into it that I enjoy, but when I tried to make a full electro swing station I quickly got annoyed

I like Caro Emerald more. It was the use of "That Man" in the Agent Carter premiere episode that introduced me to her (tying this back into comic-related stuff), then her live cover of "Bad Romance," and the rest was history.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Edge & Christian posted:

Red Rooster is also a widely acclaimed restaurant in Harlem
I remember when Luke Cage took Claire Temple to Red Rooster on the show. It is supposed to be fantastic, and I would love to visit there next time I'm in New York (which could be years away).
https://www.redroosterharlem.com/

But they opened another location in Overtown, a historic part of Miami, which is a hell of a lot closer and more accessible to me.
https://redroosterovertown.com/

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Hoopla added the Avengers Standoff: Welcome to Pleasant Hill collection and the first two Thunderbolts volumes that spun out of it. I always like Thunderbolts, so I'm reading those collected editions now, and the artist is Jon Malin, a name I vaguely recognized from this thread even though I had never seen his work before. Yikes, his style is awful (kind of like Liefeld, only everyone is very elongated instead of bulky and wide), and he seems like a right-wing Comicsgate jerk.

Is he still working at Marvel, or has he burned all his mainstream bridges?

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
I followed that link to Twitter, only to find out that Art Thibert, an inker who worked with some of my favorite '90s artists -- Arthur Adams, Jim Lee, Whilce Portacio -- is full-on Comicsgate too.

And Lopresti is disappointing. I loved Justice League: Generation Lost and met him at a convention and got him to sign my two hardcovers. But then again, I met EVS once, long before he became infamous, and asked him to sign an issue of Green Lantern he drew where Geoff Johns had named a minor character after me. Probably shook his hand at the time, but that was probably around 15 years ago.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Vincent posted:

Isn't Piskor a piece of poo poo as well? Not an abuser, just an rear end in a top hat? Besides the whole white-kid thinking he's the arbiter of hip-hop thing.

Edge & Christian posted:

The specific thing was that the first Hip Hop Family Tree collections had the dedication page read "THIS IS DEDICATED TO THE #!&&@$ THAT WAS DOWN FROM DAY ONE" and hermanos questioned that decision on Twitter (especially given that the rest of HHFT doesn't use grawlix for any objectionable words), and he may have implied the whole project was vaguely suspect. None of it rose above the level of "mild side-eye" but then seem to have gotten inflated to "ur dead at gooncon Comicon" in the mind of Piskor and people in his circle.

I also think the whole project is a little queasy, both from a "who is making the book / how is the book presented artistically and historically" and the whole "yes I am going to cosplay as a 1984 Hip Hop Head while promoting it" way. I fully believe it's a genuine admiration for hip hop, but it all felt a little bit like when Jeph Loeb wore a Karate outfit to an Iron Fist panel.

This worries me a bit, because I had a great idea to pitch a class I would teach about hip hop and the law. I've been a hip hop fan since I was a teenager in the '90s, and I was hoping to use some of my favorite music to teach lessons about constitutional law (First Amendment issues and censorship), copyright law (sampling), criminal law, social justice issues, and even the dreaded critical race theory.

But I'm a nerdy white guy in my 40s, so I was really worried about being accused of cultural appropriation, or teaching a class about something I'm not familiar with -- even though I am. I planned to be very upfront about my own privilege, and the fact that I literally study this stuff, as a law librarian/pop culture scholar and a former musician, but I realize I can't say all the words in the songs, and my experiences are probably very different from these artists. I would want to pay the music, the culture, and especially the people who created it all the respect and reverence they deserve, without making it about me.

I don't know when and if this class will ever happen, but every time I start feeling confident and excited about it, I worry that I'm not the right guy for the job, even though it's my idea, and I stand by it being a cool idea. And I think Piskor probably had very similar concerns, as the same kind of nerdy white guy who was a serious fan and student of hip hop and its culture and history.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Rhyno posted:

I saw like the 50th post about wokism or Brie Larsen so I just quit the group. Whole lotta guys who probably belong on a watchlist.

I joined the Gem Mint group just for a place to buy, sell, trade, and talk comics, but I quit before long, once I found out how ugly and toxic the discourse was there. The only Facebook group I've ever found that was worse was the G.I. Joe Classified action figure collector group, where one local guy challenged me to a fight (over absolutely nothing), and everyone bragged about hassling and threatening Target employees. Quit there too, of course.

The only comic-related places I go are here (by far the best), the Omnibuds Cafe Facebook group (even though I don't collect Omnibus editions, so I don't have anything anyone wants), and the CBR forums, which are difficult to get this level of discussion going in.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

StumblyWumbly posted:

Apparently there's also been a lot of folks challenging books at libraries, like across the country.

I'm on the library board for a super liberal city. Our meetings are all public, but we just had pretty much our first random attendee in 5 years who was someone who "just happened to be curious" about the procedure for challenging books (which nobody has ever done here).

Support your libraries. Appreciate your librarians. Don't let the bastards win.

As an ex-librarian, I appreciate you and your support. Librarians and teachers need all the help we can get battling ignorance and intolerance.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Alaois posted:

at least have one of the characters holding giant cartoonish rodizio skewers, there must be at least one Brazilian in the DC universe

Fire (Beatriz Bonilla DaCosta) is Brazilian.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Jason Pearson has revealed himself to be a sexist, gatekeeping piece of poo poo:
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/jason-pearson-says-afua-richardson-gets-work-because-shes-beautiful/

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

site posted:

Never heard of this woman but she sounds like she really sucks poo poo and to a somewhat lesser extent so does the writer of this bio

Highsmith wrote the original novels of The Talented Mr. Ripley (made into the movie with Matt Damon, and before that, Purple Noon with Alain Delon) and The Price of Salt (made into the movie Carol, with Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara).

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
But now, with DiDio gone, Nightwing is probably DC's best ongoing series and one of their most beloved heroes in-universe.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Didn't DiDio try to trade Nightwing to the Marvel Universe, but they couldn't come to an agreement on which Marvel hero would go to the DC Universe?

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Edge & Christian posted:

I find that incredibly unlikely, there were rumors (later confirmed by Paul Levitz) that back in the 1990s when the two publishers did Marvel vs. DC (and then a whole mess of other crossover books) that they would do an open ended character swap. But according to Levitz it was She-Hulk and Martian Manhunter as the most likely swap, and it was also years before Didio started working for DC.

By the time Didio came on, it was after those crossovers had stopped and a few months before Didio got hired, Quesada said this in a newspaper:

Which pretty effectively killed any short-term DC/Marvel collaboration, and there hasn't been any rumbling about them revisiting it since.

Oh, I remember that Quesada quote, but I thought it was back when Bill Jemas was still a shot-caller at Marvel, and it pissed off Paul Levitz enough that he put the kibosh on future crossovers. You would know better, though.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006
Orlando MegaCon is a week and a half away, and even though I won't be able to attend this year, I keep checking the guest list to make sure none of my all-time favorite writers and artists have been added, so I feel less bad about not going.

So far, none of the creators I desperately want to meet are attending, but I did notice Eric July, Chuck Dixon, Mike Baron, and Jen and Sylvia Soska were all added within the past few days, and all will be at the Rippaverse booth.

EDIT: Maybe they can hang out with Gina Carano, Randy Quaid, and William Shatner there.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jan 23, 2024

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

That was me right after the first Hal Jordan comeback comic and that right wing frog coin bigot (I legit cannot remember his name rn). I got a sketch of Ollie holding Hal’s ring. I think it’s still hanging in a Chicago-area shop these days, I’d donated it even before all the nastiness came out.

Ethan Van Sciver. Before I knew what a neo-Nazi adjacent POS he was, I met him once at an Orlando MegaCon and had him sign the Green Lantern issue he drew where the Tattooed Man killed a guy Geoff Johns named after me (from when I posted on Geoff's old message boards 20 years ago).

I don't even have that comic anymore.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

The Last Call posted:

Oh shoot, you were there?

We probably interacted way back when on that forum.

It's crazy isn't it how EVS was back then and what we know him as now. Who could have ever imagined things would end up the way they have.

I had a bad feeling even back around 2004, when Green Lantern was DC's hottest book that made Johns and Van Sciver into A-list superstars. Back then, Van Sciver's now ex-wife Sharis was a prolific poster on Johns' message boards, and I always remember how she once interjected into some random, unrelated conversation that she wanted to hold up Phyllis Schafly, of all people, as a strong female role model for her kids. That was so odd and off-putting, I never forgot it. Was she the person who put Ethan on his path to the far right?

Then there was a convention where Van Sciver and Mark Waid teamed up to confront and publicly discredit Rob Granito, an artist who was an infamous, shameless swiper and tracer of other, better-known artists. I forgot who called them this -- possibly Ethan himself -- but whoever it was said something about the biggest bleeding heart liberal in comics and a guy who is practically a Nazi finding common ground in calling out this talentless hack and thief.

Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

The Last Call posted:

I had no clue about Sharis, and I definitely remember her. I spoke with her a few times on the forum itself. She always came off nice and quiet. I figured she was the dutiful wife watching her husband succeed at the time, had no clue about her view points. When Ethan really started to go off the rails one of the first things I thought was that, she must be stuck in a horrible relationship and hoped she was able to get free of it. If it turns out she was the cause of Ethan going down that rabbit hole, that's a twist I didn't see coming.

Phyllis Schafly AND Ann Coulter! I just remembered the second name she dropped.

The Last Call posted:

Dwayne!

Wieringo had died much earlier didn't he.

It stinks to see such talent pass.

With all the Boomers still working in comics, I have a feeling we are going to get more sad news every year moving forward. I think the ones that hit me the hardest were Darwyn Cooke, George Perez, and Keith Giffen. I feel so lucky I got to meet all of them at cons and tell them how much their work has meant to me.

Dawgstar posted:

It was Waid:

YES! Thank you! I remember reading that exact thing, just forgot some key details, like who wrote it.

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Big Bad Voodoo Lou
Jan 1, 2006

Space Fish posted:

It's always reassuring to me that, if I follow some comics creators and drop others when their lovely actions come to light, there's a whole universe of talent more worth my time. Arguments like Smallwood's about "so they don't get to work again?" always neglect to consider the ripple effects on other careers/creatives that never launched.

Like, there was a time when seemingly everyone who was anyone in comics had some level of contact with Ellis's forum. Today's best-selling graphic novelists never knew and don't give a poo poo now, and I think that's beautiful.

Gail Simone, Matt Fraction, Kelly Sue DeConnick, and Chip Zdarsky were all regular posters on the Warren Ellis Forum in the early 2000s, before any of them blew up. Fraction and Kelly Sue met and fell in love there!

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