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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Blockhouse posted:

Basically I think it's up to people in nerd communities to clean their own house, and comics were pretty loving bad about it. Now we've got this. And this isn't forever. The energy will always taper off or go to other places (just hopefully not "ruining the rest of the world" like GG did) but it should make people be more vigilant from now on.

I ran a miniatures game (not Warhams) in a shop in the mid-oughts. At peak we had a few dozen players weekly, including women and kids. There were min/max hardcore players but they never pulled any harassment (or mean gaming horseshit on the kids) because not only did I not put up with that poo poo and had it spelled out in my house rules, but the shop manager and workers didn’t either. The manager had no qualms kicking guys out of the store who made nasty remarks (for example: making fun of a costumed overweight women on a packed weekend event night with a huge line of people watching) or intimidating would-be creeps to the point of their not returning to the shop. In retrospect my games actually helped some awkward nerds make friends and I think even a couple formed out of it.

But yeah, it was absolutely doing the work in our space to say “hey, bad behavior will NOT be tolerated” that kept it out. And in all honestly this was years before I recognized my own personal issues and I STILL managed to help make a fun, positive space to play games and socialize in.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Thank you! I'm glad you finally acknowledged that it's cool and good to tell shitheads to choke on farts

Agreed, this is cool and good.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 17, 2018

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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Covok posted:

It's up to 57,000 in only 2 days. So it looks like Mark Waid is not going to have to pay a penny for this.

This includes an anonymous 10k donation by the way for folks who haven’t checked the page.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Archyduchess posted:

edit: double post, sorry

joehonkie posted:

That was great and you have nothing to apologize for.

Not an empty quote. Archyduchess, that was an amazing reply and introduced some ideas I hadn’t considered before in terms of internet eras of communication.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

One of the worst things Wizard seared into my brain was from one of their monthly top 10 heroes list. Caitlyn Fairchilde of Gen 13 was usually in the upper half while the book was popular (and when virtually no other female characters ever made the list) but someone thought a positive assessment was how she was sooooooo different from most heroines who were described as “oh no Cap’n Baddin tied me to the deflowering machine, eek!” :gonk:

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Thanks for reminding me about the time Peter David decided he wanted to do a She-slash-50s lost world exploitation film and ended up with two issues that have not aged well, like at all.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

^^^ much better explanation than mine and ugh, that’s so much worse than I remembered!

bessantj posted:

I admit I might not want to know this but what is the Batgirl variant cover controversy?

From memory (so apologies if I gently caress up a detail) this refers to a Batgirl cover from a few years ago that featured Joker threatening her in a chokehold or something similar. We get plenty of covers like this in comics, but there was a strong negative reaction to this one, especially due to her terrified, weeping expression. Given the history of the characters the cover felt like it was selling the story on fallout from The Killing Joke and reveling in that. The pushback was enough for DC to change the cover, and of course chuds screeched censorship.

I don’t remember what the changes were. I do think you could have done the exact same pose but changed Batgirl’s expression to be angry and annoyed - something that communicates she’s over Joker’s poo poo, unafraid of him, and the next 28 pages are her kicking his rear end in classic bat-fashion the average person would expect from a bat-book. I think someone even photoshopped the cancelled cover to that effect to demonstrate how the change in expression communicates a very different story.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Phylodox posted:

What does an NPC even look like?

I’ve never researched the origin but it looks like someone adapted a neutral-expression troll face from a decade ago, which only reminds me of :geno: (another old ridiculous meme)

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Didn’t RT just implement something to prevent review bombing though? That had already been testing in the background for a year?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Dawgstar posted:

The Vic chuds are excited now, though. Kameha Con announced they're inviting him.

I wonder how many emails to the convention venue it would take to make them push back on the con to uninvited him or they’ll pull the show completely?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Over ten years ago I overheard retailers chatting about EVS but making what at the time felt like typical dudebro remarks of "well it's his wife you REALLY have to watch out for," with her being the one that was supposedly more strict, more uptight, more conservative. Obviously what I overheard was rumor and opinion coming from guys who worked directly with the couple via conventions and signings, but I think back to that as I watch EVS carry out what's essentially grooming and terrorizing content for his dwindling but fanatic followers to lap up and wonder how complacent the rest of his family is.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

I wonder if Jeremy Kirby (Jack’s grandson) would summon the collective spirit of Jack’s work to squarely punch EVS in his ugly mug take legal action.

edit: some chud is trying to twist the narrative by saying oh, Jack would side with creators because he was screwed over for money so many times by big companies, so he’d side with EVS. I know it’s useless to get upset over loving tweets of all things but dammit, Kirby’s Fourth World helped me grow as a person so I get super defensive.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Apr 6, 2019

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Since that tweet was from 2017, do we have any current replies from him trying to backpedal faster or the minute chance of “I was extremely ignorant about this topic” and a genuine apology?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Cyberfrog iirc was his original comic from the 90s, just one more indie book in a sea of same. I figured he pushes that because it’s his own IP and because he has no capability of coming up with anything else, plus he can twist the language of indie publishers by presenting his own work and “creator’s rights.”

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Gavok posted:

The man who saved us all from Shinnok's wrath, that's who.



Coincidentally, the new MK game is pissing off the alt-right guys for various reasons, so that's fun.

Those various reasons boil down to “the women are dressed now.” And keep in mind there’s still cleavage, useless armor, and pin-heeled shoes*, but since MK realized having mostly-naked tits flapping about actually sells less than visually well-developed :haw: characters the usual dudebros are having their pissfits. I saw a guy wearing a shirt of a bikini-wearing Jade that looked like it was 15 years old (bits of the design faded and peeling off) and wondered if it was in protest.

* there’s an x-ray of Kitana driving blades into an opponent’s face with a kick and what a missed opportunity to have her do it with her shoes instead.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Regarding speedrunning a whole lot of people like to poo poo on the fact one long-time runner and announcer is a trans woman. To the point of if she runs a game Twitch will put chat into emote-only mode because that’s easier then trying to let autoban catch the slurs.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

What’s the over/under on “Millar licks goats” being an actual insult versus a friendly jab?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

ImpAtom posted:

ComicsGate doesn't actually care about the content, just what they think the content is.

And the real intent of this poo poo is to put women/PoC/LGBTQ+/immigrants/whoever isn’t a straight white cis man “in their place,” which to a whatever-gater is six feet under. Oh, they never say it in those terms, and they may not even think it’s about getting other folks dead, but ridiculous takes like “no woman” cuts of Endgame or refusing to air gay rat marriage eventually draw a straight line to Nazis.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Someone could be a better defender via playing Ace Attorney, dear God.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

For context on the baby toss:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ivywintxrs/status/1134502776573243392?lang=en

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Lurdiak posted:

I think some of the toxicity can be traced to 90s gaming magazines. I didn't know this at the time because I only read Nintendo Power, but they were all horribly misogynistic, hateful "edgy" rags. That culture then moved online when the magazines folded.

I may have brought this up in this very thread but Wizard/Toyfare had a lot of the same edge. I’ll never forget an ad in one issue for a DBZ/Sailor Moon crossover that confused me for years when I never saw it mentioned again, turns out that was out and out fanmade porn.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Lurdiak posted:

I like Falcon but his tenure as Cap was pretty lame.

Didn’t part of this have to do with a very lovely writer?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Vic is related however tangentially because it’s an example of what’s happened at comic and anime conventions for the last 20+ years I’ve attended them finally getting caught and maybe even facing consequences for being a creep and a sex pest. Somehow, despite not being a FMA/anime fan, I “knew” Vic was a creep before all this went public. I can’t tell you exactly when I learned that, but at some point over a decade ago when I was volunteering someone gave me a heads-up to avoid the guy. And over time as social media grew I began to see people chatter about it.

Vic was always a presence at comic shows, often a headlining guest, as anime got more and more popular, and he went to a lot of shows. That’s a lot of fans. And that’s as much as I want to think about it.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Yeah, I feel like Tess is referring to something she’s observed in general, not any specific big name.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Aaaaand Funimation is trending number 1 in the US. What chaps my rear end is this is retaliatory from a guy who hands down is 100% a creeper. He nor the lawyer nor give a solitary poo poo over Funimation VAs making gross jokes - if they did, they would have privately approached Funimation with it. They don’t care about homophobic humor and who it hurts, they care about their reputations, and are using this as a way to lash out against consequences for their own actions.

Regarding Wood: I knew he was a creep years ago. I can’t remember who or where I learned about it - twitter, a random forum, a comment at a convention - but chalk another one up in the “absolutely unsurprised” column.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Aug 30, 2019

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

All this time these abusive bigots denied up and down that harassment, doxxing, and encouraging people via social media and forums to en masse pile on someone they didn’t like had nothing to do with real life consequences like suicide, but the moment someone they support is impacted suddenly oh! it’s totally the victim’s fault?

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Not even silver dollars, but based on the image 50 cent coins. There are silver proof sets available, but I feel the need to point out that President Kennedy is still depicted on the half-dollar.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Thanks for posting this, I was out of the loop and confused when I got an email yesterday about Bedside closing. I backed a number of those KS over time in support of various authors/artists and now it’s like WELP.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

All of this is true. There are absolutely middle-aged guys who equate their lost youth with reading 90s comics and are willing to grift others based on nostalgia plus their unexamined bigotry to achieve the specter of their teenage dream of creating comics or somehow being in the industry, because it’s the closest thing to a personality they have.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

So they know most people now pick up on “cuck” as an alt-right/general shithead term* and are shifting to a newer, less-used, potentially more confusing one to fly under the radar.

*when not being used purely as fetish, and even then depending on the particulars it’s very telling of the user’s character

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

I wondered where all these posts came from and find a lot of Kirby-inspired Nazi-smashing stories. :allears: Thanks folks.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Ivy from Soul Caliber: it’s a shame people don’t know about her Player 2 outfit, a full-coverage men’s outfit complete with cravat and hose.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Another huge Planetary fan who has to seriously weigh getting rid of my absolute editions, tpbs, single issues, and all the other Ellis one-offs like Apparat, Ministry of Space, etc. I usually don’t have issues cutting off creators revealed to be poo poo as if they didn’t exist, but a bit oof on this one. Unsurprised, although I figured Ellis was just a crotchety flirt, not a career-impacting sex pest (or worse).

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

https://twitter.com/seidmanlea/status/1273877446333313025?s=21

NerdLove apologized in a reply.

Edge & Christian posted:

One of the many receipts I wish I had kept, but do you have any recollection of Brian Wood making that image into a house ad for AiT/PlanetLar on some weird "Comics of Action. For Real Men!" tip that in my head I conflate with the weird ongoing grudge against Lea Hernandez? I found an off-hand reference to it on a Brian Wood blog/forum years ago, but when I looked for it awhile back that link is dead thanks to Brian Wood doing a media scrub when all his stuff hit.

https://twitter.com/seidmanlea/status/1273914352458846212?s=21

She has a thread in reply here.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Clearing out my Ellis TPBs I came across collections of his essays and early blog posts from 95-01, including the “Old Bastard Manifesto” where he says “I’m part of the problem, gently caress you.” I’m not going to take the time to reread and pick apart 20+ year old bloviating for more evidence of awful behavior (he seems to mostly rag on and on about superhero books and the state of the industry) but bull-loving-poo poo at his claim of not knowing the power and influence he wielded when Transmetropolitan AND Planetary were current AND he was pointing out how he co-owned the latter.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Putrid Grin posted:

the filthy assistant shtick always seemed like a joke since all of them were strong, independent, no-nonsense women. Just shows my naivety.

Same here, and as someone who in retrospect was one of those no-nonsense women* in their 20s among comic shop retailers and creatives I wonder if I was unwittingly one of those used to create the smokescreen of what great guys these all were.

* before I understood I’m non-binary

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

https://twitter.com/1horseshy/status/1275511610627391488?s=21

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

In light of recent events in the comic and related industries I do think a sticky needs to remain.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!


https://twitter.com/baddwolfehowlin/status/1278491643901968386?s=21

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

SoManyOfUs.com is live, a website documenting Ellis’s 20 years of abuse (CW for sexual abuse, gaslighting, etc). 60+ people sharing stories of how Ellis abused them, as well as helpful resources.

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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

I wonder how many people Simone has protected from scumbags over the years - and how many pretended to be allies to her face to keep hurting their victims.

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