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Captain_Maclaine posted:Oh absolutely. I have no doubts that the GOP will go right back to the hard obstructionism that they practiced during Obama and Clinton's presidencies and do their level best to stop any governance happening at all (all while loudly proclaiming that the subsequent gridlock proves the illegitimacy of Democratic presidents generally and this one in particular). It's that narcissist/magical-thinking thing of always having a counter-narrative to anything regardless of reason, contradiction or sheer lunacy. They have a counter-narrative of the DMC "rigging" elections with the help of Ukrainians because their attempts to rig with Ukrainians were discovered. quote:Which is why the only hope anyone really has is a president who's mobilized a mass popular movement to continue agitating for progressive policies and willing to engage in direct action to see it made law, as the McConnell/Graham set are also fundamentally cowards who only get away with their obstruction because they've never experienced meaningful pushback. People felt that way about McGovern too and look how that went.
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ScrubLeague posted:rich people don't go to jail unless they steal from other rich people. trump steals from poor people, so he will face no consequences. yeah, bvut what if they're not white? alternatively, what if they're not rich, yet white?? lots to think about, in this intersectional work;ld
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In my view one of the biggest concerns in this particular moment is the degree to which the Trumpstaffel/evangelicals are literally demonizing their opposition. Not merely otherizing , but demonizing. https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1199130635933233154?s=19 The Atlantic posted:During his November 21 interview with Graham, Metaxas, a Salem Radio Network talk-show host, asked the son of the late evangelist Billy Graham, “What do you think of what is happening now? I mean, it’s a very bizarre situation to be living in a country where some people seem to exist to undermine the president of the United States. It's just a bizarre time for most Americans.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDk2Ef27Jyg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsnZ1QHIIzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-tWemJxTuk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Woiojx8_dno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpzQ4OPL8zA This is occurring in conjunction with some extraordinaeily blatant incitement to violence being peddled to evangelicals. While many evangelicals are old and not physically up to committing an act of terrorism, there are plenty who aren't and it only takes one idiot with a gun to kill a couple hundred people. If you skipped over the rest of this post you owe it to yourself to watch it least these two videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8hRnLEO6P8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENIdFPhivHY Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 21:54 on Nov 29, 2019 |
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This is a real good take on how personality psychology affects modern government. It analyses how the pathology of abuse/sadism is so effective at gaining and keeping power. https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1200899020304060416 The tweet thread is a good summary: https://twitter.com/Teri_Kanefield/status/1200897991768305664
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About the only thing wrong there is assuming liberals don't get in on that too. They call it 'austerity', and gladly feed the right-wing narratives. (and adopt them themselves when convenient) And both use the bigoted myth of 'welfare queens' and such tactics to kill social safety nets ostensibly so the Other can't benefit from them.
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I knew Haven for Hope sounded familiar. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/12/trump-homeless-shelter-agency-robert-g-marbut-texas-housing/603280/ If any of you remember PJ's stories about a homeless shelter city, the guy who created it is now crafting national policy. Ugh.
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Gonna sound kinda dumb but all I can remember about that place was PJ's posting about it as she was living there which was... vaguely positive? It's been years and the memory ain't what it should be. If the guy's working for the trump admin he's inherently sus but like, how and in which ways?
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The article mentions early in that his general approach is to offer basic services ‘in exchange for good behavior,’ if that helps begin to illuminate whet might be problematic. I’ve seen this bullshit trying to work for the houseless in my hometown; even folks who aren’t actively shrieking about people who have lived in the town for years as AN INVASION and actively want to help, feel like they have to erect barriers to service in order to make sure only the houseless folks who are Good Enough can have week-old bagels and expired instant coffee.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I knew Haven for Hope sounded familiar. I have been thinking for a while about doing another thread about my experiences in Haven for Hope- I might as well go through with it now that Haven has become some heat relevant. My time at Haven was so complicated there really is no easy way to summarize it- my life was definitely saved there and I got some of the very finest residential mental health treatment that exists in this country- and to be fair there definitely was some real wisdom in the "velvet hammer" approach- but this guys time at Haven (he left about ~18 months before I arrived) was not well remembered by either the residents or the staff. His policies (and the initial setup of Haven) were extremely authoritarian/punitive and caused huge headaches for everyone involved. During my 2.5 years at Haven there was a clear trend of extra layers of velvet being wrapped around the hammer/many of the unneccesary punitive measures (like intentionally lovely PCY* meals that provided sub 1,000 calories a day) were completely replaced. (E.g. PCY food was genuinely good by the time I left.) *Prospects CourtYard is the (intentionally) lovely half of the Haven for Hope campus. This guy is literally the worst person to come out of the Haven program and his ideas largely fell flat on their loving face when they were implemented in the real world- so I would expect the worst out of him working with the Trump administration. Actually scratch that- I'd bet good money this guy is helping them plan PCY-style concentration camps for the homeless.
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Spent the day working on the OP for that Haven for Hope thread, meanwhile: https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/1211026576722161664
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Is there a relationship between the history of slavery in the southern US, Jim Crow laws, evangelical christians, and fundamental authoritarianism today? (I know that there is.) But is this like a disease that can affect generations? I think yes, it is, and I think I've seen it first hand. It's grown out of the American South like kudzu. And it's been spreading. The question is where does this stem from? Why are so many people enamored with it? Is it possible to stop it? How can you stop it when so many people embrace it? Or maybe this is just the way to go! Maybe I'm wrong for even questioning it.
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The Southern Baptists literally exist because they wanted slavery.
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The modern religious right came into existence as a voting bloc because of desegregation. They want to dismantle all schools because black children can attend them.
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Pope Guilty posted:The Southern Baptists literally exist because they wanted slavery. that makes a lot of sense, really. thanks for explaining my own experiences in one sentence.
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The Breakfast Sampler posted:that makes a lot of sense, really. thanks for explaining my own experiences in one sentence. for a good time (not really) look up the slaves bible
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The Breakfast Sampler posted:Is there a relationship between the history of slavery in the southern US, Jim Crow laws, evangelical christians, and fundamental authoritarianism today? (I know that there is.) But is this like a disease that can affect generations? I think yes, it is, and I think I've seen it first hand. It's grown out of the American South like kudzu. And it's been spreading. The D&D version of this thread had a bunch of effortposts about this topic but the short answer is: Yes to all the above. These are all forms of Narrativism and you can draw a direct line from one to the other. The primary method of spreading this behaviour Pattern is via structuring your communication/propaganda a certain way, using specific heuristics that I call Bypasses. Any individual exposed to a sufficient amount of social communications/propaganda structures in line with Bypasses can eventually trigger the subconscious adoption (activation really) of the Narrativist behaviour pattern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=813V_GId5N8 The GOP stumbled rear end-backwards into the three Bypasses with their "Southern Strategy", creating (initially) a group of reliable lockstep voters who were gradually being inculcated ever further into the Narrativist mindset: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ I could go on all day but the above is a good primer for understanding how we got to where we are presently. I know that I have been really and about following through on various projects I have said I was working on and I am trying to change that. The thread about Haven for Hope is now up.
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I think he actually does claim to be perfect and gets furious whenever someone doesn’t agree, but I’m guessing anyone listening to that is a willing participant in the fiction.
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Pope Guilty posted:The Southern Baptists literally exist because they wanted slavery. And now the United Methodists are schisming because a lot of them are angry that LGBT people exist and a lot of them aren't.
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Everyone who's interested in authoritarian behavior and abusive suppression tactics needs to read what happened from pages 102 through 108 of the Trans Issues thread right now. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3906185&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=102
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Actually we understand the paradox of tolerance. Edit- I may have misunderstood you DL. what are you identifying as authoritarianism happening there? Harold Fjord has issued a correction as of 00:33 on Jan 5, 2020 |
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Everyone who's interested in authoritarian behavior and abusive suppression tactics needs to read what happened from pages 102 through 108 of the Trans Issues thread right now. And if you want to see a real good demonstration of why comfortable moderates are incapable of understanding authoritarian behaviour check out the post Dumb Lowtax was probed for.
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Holy poo poo and y’all are loving awesome
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Anyone else worried that this Iran situation might cause America to really fall off the bus w/r/t fascism? If there are a bunch of dead servicemen from an Iranian attack then the bloodlust from the right will drown put every other political conversation and may even successfully derail impeachment/salvage Trumps re-election prospects. Also we are about to gave a war while being lead by high-compaction Narrativists and that prospect is effing 
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Prester Jane posted:Anyone else worried that this Iran situation might cause America to really fall off the bus w/r/t fascism? You need more buy-in from the capitalist class and liberals before that can happen. Most people don’t like, and in fact dislike, Trump. It would have to generate 9/11 levels of disruption and disbelief, which can’t happen post-9/11 without a nuke or something.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:You need more buy-in from the capitalist class and liberals before that can happen. Most people don’t like, and in fact dislike, Trump. It would have to generate 9/11 levels of disruption and disbelief, which can’t happen post-9/11 without a nuke or something. The capitalist class is already in, no doubt. Liberals already carry the cops water. All it would take would be protests in major cities turning bad for the rest of the rich to really go all defending the police state.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:You need more buy-in from the capitalist class and liberals before that can happen. Most people don’t like, and in fact dislike, Trump. It would have to generate 9/11 levels of disruption and disbelief, which can’t happen post-9/11 without a nuke or something. I think the capitalist class would love a chance to profit from a war: https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1214699991865933825?s=20
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Prester Jane posted:Anyone else worried that this Iran situation might cause America to really fall off the bus w/r/t fascism? I assumed it was just to head off the impeachment with no other real thought put into it. Also, Awful App has been freezing and crashing on my Android 10 device. Pixel 3XL so it could be a memory problem. Aleph Null has issued a correction as of 01:30 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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Aleph Null posted:I assumed it was just to head off the impeachment. Its not even that- Trumps inner circle is now completely composed of either high-compaction Narrativists or psychopathic grifters. They are now using the worlds most powerful military to fight the war/enemy that exists only in their heads.
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Aleph Null posted:I assumed it was just to head off the impeachment with no other real thought put into it. Impeachment was never a genuine threat, so no one would have needed to head it off. The impeachment story has always been full of theatrics put on by the capitalist media owners and complicit senators to serve as maximum distraction. It excuses all news channels from reporting on the economy and domestic issues. MSNBC put Mueller stuff on full blast 24/7 which turned out to be a false prediction, which is the opposite of news. What good is an impeachment one day before a term ends? Just win the next election by running on economic issues. Liberals know they could do that instead. They don't want to because they support capital. Don't plan for impeachment solving our issues; plan for a workers' revolution.
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So Trump has gone to bed without making a public statement- likely because his mental state is too deteriorated to give a public appearance this late at night. However Trump (et all) is going to spend the night fuming about this situation and will be in a proper rager by the time morning comes around. Narcissists do not calm down if given the chance to sleep on something- they obsess about it until given the opportunity to discharge some of the pent-up rage.
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i just hope the people I love end up in the initial blast and not the pressure wave and radiation, or Bernie wins and lives to see his first 100. Those are (metaphorically) the boundary conditions of our continued slow decline into barbarism.
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Its Hannity so take it all with a grain of salt, however, it i pretty well established that Hannity has a good window into the Trump administration. https://twitter.com/michaelcrowley/status/1214731665781743616
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Hey Jane Party Plane Jones got permabanned since he’s a nazi hope you can read the CSPAM threads it’s a goldmine.
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There's just an entire loving thing about how this ridiculous scheme went down that I'm sure you can have a field day with. At this point I'm thinking treatment of trans people is the current canary in the coal mine for spotting crypto-fash/authoritarians.
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I am eagerly awaiting her commentary on this affair.
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Hard same because lol this is like years of vindication in the making.
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Lol, I'm more glad that I was wrong about the Iran thing blowing up: Trump is too far gone and his administration is so out of touch that it can't even win over Mike Lee: https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1215021730877628417?s=19 I need some time to compose my thoughts on PPJ, I want to savor this moment.
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