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peanut- posted:I don't know what to think about Labour's budget amendment. Well, have you read their manifesto? There's uh, quite a lot of different ways they'll be addressing inequality. https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/creating-economy-works/#first quote:Widening ownership of our economy E: 2 - The BBC channel which used to have really good comedy and stuff on in the evenings, like Red Dwarf. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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forkboy84 posted:Hey fellow UKMTers, I had a horrible loving moment this morning. I did myself an injury in the dumbest way possible: I have strained a muscle in my arm while getting out of bed.
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peanut- posted:I don't know what to think about Labour's budget amendment. Income inequality IS one of the actual sources of serious inequality in this country though?
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Life is hell because people loving suck But we have food and alcohol I guess, who wants to live beyond 70 anyway
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Rarity posted:He's already a big fan, he's just playing it cool cause he's trying to reel you in. Possibly, he is rightwinger, but he's also completely lacking in guile. I just told him that Peterson's an old fraud with a knack for sounding intellectual, and urged him to think critically about what he hears. I have zero faith in this working out well.
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peanut- posted:I don't know what to think about Labour's budget amendment. Labour's income tax strategy is to put more bands at the top rather than mess around with the existing ones so it is still an attempt to make it more progressive without spooking those people who apparently wither and die at the thought of it. You shouldn't ignore the rest of their spending platform though which is about reallocating spending to other parts of the UK other than the southeast and co operative ownership etc, but it isn't good to see them get dragged into a technical argument about tax bands rather than the wider strategy about wealth and income.
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forkboy84 posted:Income inequality IS one of the actual sources of serious inequality in this country though? This was the logic for it: quote:We will support the tax cuts at the moment on the basis that it will inject some demand into the economy. So basically, "enjoy it for now"
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Nov 1, 2018 11:26
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I mean technically "raise taxes and use it to pay for things" is far more social democracy than anything, it's managing capitalism rather than changing the relationship of the worker to their workplace, which the stuff about cooperativization is definitely significant on. That is more actually marxist than tax and spend. Not that I would object to taxing and spending cos it does do good things.
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Nov 1, 2018 11:27
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Guavanaut posted:The best part about Gordon Peterson (other than calling him that from now on) is how wrong he is about Marx to the degree that anyone who has casually read Marx or anyone commenting on Marx within the past 150 years can own him without effort. Don't think so. There is this hilarious bit where Jim Jefferies destroys his argument in 40 seconds and he admits it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdvS2Re21Og
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Nov 1, 2018 11:29
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The cunning thing the tories do though is to sneak it on National Insurance. That increase in the basic rate tax band also brings them into basic national insurance so instead of paying 2% on that bit, they will have to pay 12% as well as losing pension tax relief at 40% and will get it at 20% so quite a bit of the income tax saving is being clawed back through other means. In 1992 labour said they would increase income tax by - was it 1% - and that is said to be one of the main reasons they lost that election (though I'm of the opinion the dreadful Sheffield rally had a lot to do with it too!) and the tories got in on that basis and promptly stuck 1% on national insurance which affected more people. The embarrassment of the Sheffield Rally for those who may not have seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOgB3Smvro I'm cringing as I'm rewatching.
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I'm not really sure what the point of airports is if they're no longer a place you can drink at 7am on a Tuesday.
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Nov 1, 2018 11:33
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“Social democracy with good workers’ rights” is pretty much the best system our rotten loving species can seem to manage at this point in time, until they inevitably go either neoliberal or fash Other than total nuclear annihilation I mean
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The cunning thing the tories do though is to sneak it on National Insurance. That increase in the basic rate tax band also brings them into basic national insurance so instead of paying 2% on that bit, they will have to pay 12% as well as losing pension tax relief at 40% and will get it at 20% so quite a bit of the income tax saving is being clawed back through other means. This too, a distressing number of people are allergic to tax and get conniptions if you suggest raising it. So while Labour could run on full redistribution now, it'd probably lower their chances of actually being able to do it.
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Galaspar posted:November has got off to a flying start. A colleague messaged me to ask if I've heard of a 'Gordan Petersen' who, like, totally owned some TV interviewer lady. He's off to see him speak tonight, and has promised full details tomorrow. Lucky me! https://twitter.com/haramgirlfriend/status/1057632676348194817
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Nov 1, 2018 11:36
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You can bet the farm that the ban won't be extending to the airport executive lounges. Protip: if temporarily stranded or with a long (6+ hours) layover, dropping 30-40 quid on entry to the generic lounge is an excellent way of getting sloshed, fed, pampered, and access to great WiFi, and often equivalent in expenditure to eating/drinking elsewhere in the airport for the duration. Yes I know, I've already earmarked myself for the wall.
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Can't wait for the airport drinking ban to backfire as everyone buys a bottle of smirnoff in duty free and then cokes at the bar instead and gets even more drunk
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Pochoclo posted:“Social democracy with good workers’ rights” is pretty much the best system our rotten loving species can seem to manage at this point in time, until they inevitably go either neoliberal or fash You alright bud? That's two particularly despairing takes in less than half an hour
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Nov 1, 2018 11:41
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forkboy84 posted:Air travel is ludicrously cheap though? Far too cheap from an environmental perspective imo. Idea it's cheaper to fly to London than train to London is real dumb, especially when the plane is 2 and a half hours including getting to the airport and going through security and the train is not much shy of 12 hours. I think it's very expensive, but I also think it's a horrible waste of money to fly anywhere, because anywhere sucks. I saved my money, staying put where I am and instead I just bought a milling machine with all that money I did not throw away on flying or similar.
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Nov 1, 2018 11:42
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So preston is the city where the labour council encouraged all the local institutions to buy from local companies and look whats happened as a result https://twitter.com/MatthewBrownLab/status/1057786373749592064
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Tesseraction posted:Don't think so. There is this hilarious bit where Jim Jefferies destroys his argument in 40 seconds and he admits it Pochoclo posted:“Social democracy with good workers’ rights” is pretty much the best system our rotten loving species can seem to manage at this point in time, until they inevitably go either neoliberal or fash 
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Can we just do away with flying in general? Besides the environmental impact it's also just a completely miserable experience end to end.
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Borrovan posted:If you live in the countryside, buy a high powered airgun and bag yourself some rabbits and wood pigeons, they actually do quite a lot of ecological harm uncontrolled so it's an environmental net gain (as well as being delicious). Also, pheasants are easy pickings if there's any gamekeepers in your area, and since they're bred in captivity anyway you can file it under "stealing food from rich people" rather than "hunting" (yeah it's illegal, yeah it's unsporting, but lead's cheap and I used to be dirt poor, cut me some slack). If you've got the inclination for it, I used to like ferreting too:- there's enough non-delicious pest species out there to keep them well-fed, they're great fun to keep and they'll bring in a lot more rabbits for you and your neighbours. Just don't take anything in the off-season so you don't leave any orphaned babbies. Yeah I'm in Finland and in the countryside so plenty of nature around here. Hunting is quite differently regulated here though. Almost all hunting is done via local hunting clubs and membership to those is almost always tied to living in the area, not an issue for me in other words. Though recently there's been developments to let rich germans or other people come and pay to hunt a moose. Can't say I muhc like that since hunting in Finland has always been solidly working class. We also completely ban air rifles of any power for hunting, even for rats and vermin. I have firearms from before, including a few rifles suitable for hunting deer sized game, which is the most likely thing I would hunt as we got too many of the vermin, implanted american vermin to boot. Wild boar might be migrating here too, but though I always wanted to be like Asterix and Obelix I hope they stay away, dangerous fuckers.
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The diagrams from Maps of Meaning should be enough to put most sane people off Peterson.    
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Also in Finland we publish what people make and how much they pay in tax, just happened now. Lots of rich people crying as usual.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I think it's very expensive, but I also think it's a horrible waste of money to fly anywhere, because anywhere sucks. You can travel to most parts of Europe for about £30 if you're fine bring treated like cattle on the way to slaughter for 2-3 hours, that's not expensive. Especially compared to the time it would take to drive or train to Greece or wherever. Feel like going abroad and experiencing other cultures is a net positive and also a pleasant way to just unwind and chill, but I'm a hypocrite because I've not actually gone further than London since I was 14.
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Even ignoring the fact that he's a fascist oval office, Peterson is a predatory fraud, exploiting people's uncertainty about their own intelligence with magnificent horseshit like those diagrams, letting people do all the legwork to come up with some kind of meaningful message about anything and everything before attributing it to him anyway and still feeling as useless and stupid as they did before. He's an exploitative piece of poo poo.
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Vlex posted:You can bet the farm that the ban won't be extending to the airport executive lounges. 100% agree with this - they’re even cheaper if you book online. Somewhere to sit, plug in your laptop and food and booze, and often for the same price as just grabbing an expensive burger & beer.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Even ignoring the fact that he's a fascist oval office, Peterson is a predatory fraud, exploiting people's uncertainty about their own intelligence with magnificent horseshit like those diagrams, letting people do all the legwork to come up with some kind of meaningful message about anything and everything before attributing it to him anyway and still feeling as useless and stupid as they did before. He's an exploitative piece of poo poo. I think the first diagram is my favourite. It's such a concise summary of how his philosophy is little more than a vehicle for his misogyny.
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Darth Walrus posted:The diagrams from Maps of Meaning should be enough to put most sane people off Peterson. Yeah that's some straight up time cube poo poo. lmao right wing 'intellectuals'
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Joseance posted:So preston is the city where the labour council encouraged all the local institutions to buy from local companies and look whats happened as a result I went on a trip that took me through Stoke, Blackburn, Preston and Blackpool last year and it really, really stuck out how pleasant Preston was compared to the others.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Also in Finland we publish what people make and how much they pay in tax, just happened now. Lots of rich people crying as usual. We should do this and give medals and honorary titles to our highest taxpayers for doing their patriotic duty
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Vlex posted:You can bet the farm that the ban won't be extending to the airport executive lounges. I'll be joining you at the wall. I had a 6 hour wait at Heathrow a couple of years ago and booked a lounge for about £25 and that includes help yourself buffet, tea, coffee, juices, biscuits, newspapers, wifi (though I carry my own mifi around most of the time). Given how much I would have spent skulking round Smiths or Boots confectionary and sandwich emporia I figured it was well worth it.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Also in Finland we publish what people make and how much they pay in tax, just happened now. Lots of rich people crying as usual. How new is this? It has been a matter of public record for years in Norway, and the end of the tax year is always insufferable for 1) rich people bitching, 2) breathless fawning media coverage of how rich rich people are. There was one particularly insufferable year where our biggest tabloid profiled the country's richest young person, and hey guess what, they inherited everything from their scumbag grandfather.
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Darth Walrus posted:I think the first diagram is my favourite. It's such a concise summary of how his philosophy is little more than a vehicle for his misogyny. I like that it kind of looks like the plot of dark souls 3.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Also in Finland we publish what people make and how much they pay in tax, just happened now. Lots of rich people crying as usual. how much was made by power metal bands this year
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OwlFancier posted:I like that it kind of looks like the plot of dark souls 3. *in Kermit voice while lunging at a steak* "I shall... partake."
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