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I'm just glad that Illinois is now back to being completely dem controlled even though it is undoubtedly going to continue to be ruined by corruption and lovely centrist politicians. Also that Scott Walker is gone, that's also very good. It's pretty bad elsewhere tho, and it wasn't really enough on the whole to make me say it was a big success or anything.
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Your Taint posted:Remember all those smug fucks who told us "Elections have consequences" after Trump got elected? Feel free to throw it back in their faces if they start complaining about one of the 57 simultaneous House investigations.
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Winning the house is big and I'm happy about it. But as a FL voter, I'm definitely extremely pissed about the topline results in that state, and concerned about ever having the Senate majority if we're seeing -4 as of last night.
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Al Borland Corpse posted:Hello thread. You might not know me, I'm Al Borland Corp, a limited liability poster. I am from the now defunct Trump thread. I look forward to sharing with you my thoughts, opinions, and insights! Hello friend, our state is terrible. The only wins I got on my ballot were local ones, which is expected since I live in the black belt.
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Oxxidation posted:because it gets them paid Also, speaking anecdotally there are a HUGE number of people who LOVE bipartisanship talk, even though it's proven to be completely worthless IRL. Paying lip service to it is fine for a politician as long as they don't actually BELIEVE it. Unfortunately Pelosi is a shity go-along-to-get-along establishment Democrat dinosaur. I do believe she's totally down for opening 100,000 investigations on Trump at least. Covok posted:We won! They lost! For gently caress sake, be happy you covoking broke brains. 
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haveblue posted:The electoral college could be nullified by the NPVIC, but how to get every state to pass it and continue to abide by it when it costs them power is left as an exercise for the reader. You don't need every state to pass it
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So isn't 2020 a pretty lovely map for the Senate too? If I'm not mistaken vulnerable Republican senators = Cordy Gardner(Col), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (North Carolina). But the Dems also have like 3-4 (at least) vulnerable Senators in coin flip states. I guess if there's a massive blue wave and the Dems keep building momentum maybe there could be some unexpected gains but if it didn't happen last night I'm struggling to see how it could happen in 2020 unless some Obama-like hope and change savant emerges.
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Would it be possible to cap these threads at like 3000 pages, because crappier computers have trouble loading the page selector much beyond that.
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My Twitter Account posted:So the Dems aren't going to be so stupid as to actually elect Pelosi speaker again, are they? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060162807960870913 It is going to happen, and her obsession with decorum is going to mean not even symbolic protest bills get passed, and nothing loving matters. That is the bipartisan goal here, completely neutering any meaningful gains because Pelosi will be in charge and will not whip the party to hold the line.
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has anyone told all the committee chairs that Nancy Pelosi is not letting them investigate Trump? because it sounds like it would come as a real surprise to them
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Mind_Taker posted:Which states that are currently gerrymandered to a laughable degree in the R direction are likely to be redrawn to a fair (or D-favorable) map in 2020 due to pickups in governorships/state houses last night? Ohio will likely gain a few seats to redistricting in 2020. An amendment thing passed last year that will have a bipartisan commission redraw the map. Which isn't as good as Democrats drawing them, but Democrats got slaughtered in Ohio last night so that wasn't even gonna happen. Anyways, the breakdown is 12 GOP districts to 4 Democratic districts with the current gerrymander. Democrats would probably gain at least 2, possibly 3 seats with a fair redistricting.
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My Twitter Account posted:They're not going to happen, Pelosi has already indicated she's not interested. Good thing they have to vote on the next Speaker and she's not a lock, huh?
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Man, I didn't realize that Pelosi was the chair of every committee and that also a vague speech about bipartisan meant you forfeited subpoena powers for 2 years. (Ryan didn't like what Nunes was doing, hint hint)
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Ginette Reno posted:So isn't 2020 a pretty lovely map for the Senate too? If I'm not mistaken vulnerable Republican senators = Cordy Gardner(Col), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (North Carolina). you just gotta make them vulnerable. with appealing leftist policy
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Oxxidation posted:because it gets them paid http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/study-congress-overestimates-the-publics-conservatism.html The data suggests that our politicians are genuinely hilariously out of touch, but sincerely so.
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GOP congressman, who once lamented not being able to call women 'sluts,' loses to a woman.My Twitter Account posted:They're not going to happen, Pelosi has already indicated she's not interested. They're going to continue to say "there is no point in investigations" right up until they say "This is a very serious accusation that warrants a full and thorough investigation". They're trying to prevent the Republicans from framing any investigations as witch hunts by downplaying their interest in them.
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FuturePastNow posted:Would it be possible to cap these threads at like 3000 pages, because crappier computers have trouble loading the page selector much beyond that. That's probably around what's going to happen anyways as Trump thread lasted from March to November and hit 6000 pages and we're going to be switching to Spring in half the timespan.
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Old James posted:My biggest issue with last night is how the it appears the lesson learned by Beto, Gillum, and Abrams' loss is that the Dems need to run more centrist candidates. But centrists lost in Indiana, Missouri, and North Dakota yet no talking head breathed a word of that. Do folks honestly believed this? I remember hearing even “serious people” like Chuck Todd talking about how even in defeat going progressive was incredibly effective for Democrats. People take notice when a 16 gap is reduced to a one point gap.
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Ginette Reno posted:So isn't 2020 a pretty lovely map for the Senate too? If I'm not mistaken vulnerable Republican senators = Cordy Gardner(Col), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (North Carolina). Turns out every election is a lovely map for the Democrats in the Senate.
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I was slightly disappointed that the three races that garnered national attention went to the Republicans but at least they were close. Now I'm disappointed there's no separate Trump thread.
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I mentioned this in the election thread but the real take away from this should be don't watch real time election results. That poo poo doesn't matter and serves to only stress you out and attract clicks. America seems like a little less of a hell scape this morning so that's good. This is the first day I've been able to breath easy in like 3 years. That being said, 2020 is going to be nuts.
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Condiv posted:you just gotta make them vulnerable. with appealing leftist policy Be nice. Not complaining about last night mind you. But man that Senate map just blows. Hopefully it's better than it looks.
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Your Taint posted:Good thing they have to vote on the next Speaker and she's not a lock, huh? also good thing the speaker does not exert meaningful control over committee business in this way unless you think like Waters, Cummings, Schiff, etc that've spent years talking about the investigations they want to do and were literally saying this last night are going to be blocked by Pelosi
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I know we're all focused on the big picture here, but personally I'm just glad that my lovely state's irrational hatred of Dan Malloy didn't turn the governorship over to a literal walking pile of pond scum.
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My Twitter Account posted:They're not going to happen, Pelosi has already indicated she's not interested. Pelosi doesn’t control committees.
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Flaggy posted:Has Walker conceded yet? No, and he never will. I imagine him in six months in a ragged, tattered suit outside the Capitol building in Madison yelling about how he's still the Governor.
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If you're particularly interested in drilling down on what those newly-elected governors, state legislatures, mayors, and what-have-you are doing or going to do, or otherwise want to discuss life on Main Street in Trump-occupied America, the 2019 State and Local thread is up. Apparently State and Local threads work like automobile model years!
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Oxxidation posted:because it gets them paid FYI this is why she should not be speaker. She's great at whipping the Democrats but she's pretty much beholden to the same corporate interests driving the Republican party down the CHUD hole so they can pillage the country. Her being speaker essentially means the house is liable to end up being controlled opposition. Which means that anything to do with Trump/Republican corruption and gerrymandering/voter suppression on the house's end will just be sound and air instead of actually effective. Archonex fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Ginette Reno posted:So isn't 2020 a pretty lovely map for the Senate too? If I'm not mistaken vulnerable Republican senators = Cordy Gardner(Col), Susan Collins (Maine), and Thom Tillis (North Carolina). 2020 is going to be the reverse of this year, where 11 D seats are up for grabs as opposed to 22 Republican seats the weakest and really only vulnerable Dem seat is Doug Jones
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Thread newbie here, I wanted to chime in to ask -- I've heard some folks bandying about the claim that the Senate will be increasingly hard to take going forward / expressing doubt that the Democrats will be able to retake it ever. I was curious, what's the analysis behind that? EDIT: Oh my god, the thread moves too fast. The answer to my question was just posted as I wrote this. 
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Ginette Reno posted:But the Dems also have like 3-4 (at least) vulnerable Senators in coin flip states. *no I won't because 2 years is a long rear end time.
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HappyHippo posted:Turns out every election is a lovely map for the Democrats in the Senate. Decades of gerrymandering will do that. 
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Someone in the election results thread was posting that the Florida amendment re-enfranchising felons first the person must repay their court fees. With these fees possibly being in the thousands and the limited employment opportunities for felons, many won't be able to pay to get their vote back. How legal would it be to have a GoFundMe to pay these court fees only if the person registers to vote?
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haveblue posted:The electoral college could be nullified by the NPVIC, but how to get every state to pass it and continue to abide by it when it costs them power is left as an exercise for the reader. Don't you only need a majority of electoral votes for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact to work? One argument you can make is that non-swing states gain some power, since candidates may actually pay attention to them. Like what presidential candidate ever gave a gently caress about Arkansas? However, if half of the electoral votes join together, then they actually will have to campaign there, their votes will matter, and their constituencies may be heard. Since democratic reforms actually passed in Michigan and Florida, I have a glimmer of hope for this.
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Old James posted:My biggest issue with last night is how the it appears the lesson learned by Beto, Gillum, and Abrams' loss is that the Dems need to run more centrist candidates. But centrists lost in Indiana, Missouri, and North Dakota yet no talking head breathed a word of that. it's a refrain you'll always hear. if a leftist loses, it's damning evidence that we need to tack to the right. if a centrist loses... well that's been happening for a long time and the excuse is always that they leaned too far left
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