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That was really weird. I guess Carlsen couldn't see a way through despite clearly being better.
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vyelkin posted:That was really weird. I guess Carlsen couldn't see a way through despite clearly being better. Black is theoretically not without worry in that position. But black is also clearly better, and still has play. I guess it's predictable given the nothing of a game 11. I guess he's just happy to roll with rapid games.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:10
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He's up nearly 40 minutes with decent position. I don't get it
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Nov 26, 2018 19:11
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vyelkin posted:That was really weird. I guess Carlsen couldn't see a way through despite clearly being better.  This has been a complete farce.
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Hand Knit posted:Black is theoretically not without worry in that position. But black is also clearly better, and still has play. I guess it's predictable given the nothing of a game 11. I guess he's just happy to roll with rapid games. He said on Norwegian TV that he didn't see a way to push his advantage without taking a major risk
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Nov 26, 2018 19:12
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Ugh gently caress now we have to wait until Wednesday
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Nov 26, 2018 19:12
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No what the actual gently caress. Obviously I don't know enough about chess to understand that decision but what the hell. Is it just that 90 moves ahead Carlsen saw an inevatible remis? Caruana just said he was surprised.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:12
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Omnikin posted:He's up nearly 40 minutes with decent position. I don't get it Carlsen Classical: 2835 Rapid: 2880 Blitz: 2939 Caruana Classical: 2832 Rapid: 2789 Blitz: 2767
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Nov 26, 2018 19:12
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Disqualify both of them
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Nov 26, 2018 19:13
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Smol posted:Disqualify both of them The title defence is now a triple threat match with Ding Liren.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:15
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Nov 26, 2018 19:20
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the stl stream is speculating something bad happened to magnus family lol
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Nov 26, 2018 19:22
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An Apple A Gay posted:the stl stream is speculating something bad happened to magnus family lol Yeah their son just got revealed as a flake.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:23
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Hand Knit posted:The title defence is now a triple threat match with Ding Liren. Want
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Nov 26, 2018 19:26
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doesnt this result beg questions for the prev 11 games like he's a str8 pussy now gently caress that guy (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 26, 2018 19:32
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I know a lot of people get upset with making the world champion play into the match, but maybe do that?
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Nov 26, 2018 19:34
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Hand Knit posted:The title defence is now a triple threat match with Ding Liren. Or Nakamura, since they're going to play rapid & blitz anyway. Anyhow, I now want Caruana to win so much.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:37
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Jonny Nox posted:I know a lot of people get upset with making the world champion play into the match, but maybe do that? I dunno. The women's championship sort of did that for a while and the winner of the knockouts tournament didn't seem legitimate since Hou Yifan went just about a decade without losing a single game in a match defence.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:41
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Maybe just make the challenger win if it's 12 draws. 
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Nov 26, 2018 19:42
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Just make them play forever until someone gets, I dunno, five wins but remove money from the prize pool for every game they play after the tenth.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:45
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vyelkin posted:Just make them play forever until someone gets, I dunno, five wins but remove money from the prize pool for every game they play after the tenth. Last time the title match was organized this way someone was hospitalized. I will let you decide whether this is a merit or demerit.
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Nov 26, 2018 19:50
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https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1067125702712004609 yikes
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Nov 26, 2018 19:52
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So will ALL the tiebreakers go down on Wednesday, back-to-back if necessary?
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Nov 26, 2018 20:20
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Yep 2 will enter one will leave. That's the point of Armageddon. Then the other will leave a little while later, after being declared champion.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:30
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Teddybear posted:So will ALL the tiebreakers go down on Wednesday, back-to-back if necessary? Yes. 4 rapid (G25;i10) games, then 2 blitz (G5;i3), then 1 Armageddon (white gets 6 minutes, black gets 5 minutes, black wins if there is a draw on the board) game. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46343036
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Nov 26, 2018 20:34
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13 games. challenger gets white 8 times. three games then a day break with last game on it's own. Tie goes to defender. No rapid, blitz, or Armageddon, we have a tournament for that.
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Nov 26, 2018 20:38
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I'd kinda like a sworn affidavit affirming that someone will win before I dedicate any more time to this.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:12
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I'd kinda like a sworn affidavit affirming that someone will win before I dedicate any more time to this. Per the stuff folks posted up there, if they draw the last, final, ultimate match, then it's considered a win for black, and they're the champion.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:16
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In the press conference afterwards Magnus showed how he thought the position would have simplified and it would've resulted in another rook and pawn endgame draw. He also said that he felt he was in a better position but didn't feel that he wanted to take any unnecessary risks. Given the format, this seems totally rational and reasonable -- wish we had 16 or 18 classical games instead of just 12.
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Nov 26, 2018 21:28
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From my perspective of knowing next to nothing about competitive chess, it seems frustrating that you aren’t forced to play out the board.
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Nov 26, 2018 23:55
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Democratic Pirate posted:From my perspective of knowing next to nothing about competitive chess, it seems frustrating that you aren’t forced to play out the board. Do draws also bother you in chess? Have you heard of endgame tablebases?
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Nov 27, 2018 00:56
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I appreciate that it's an unsolvable problem, but as a viewer, if you've lost one pawn and one knight, no, the position is not drawn, you aren't done yet.
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Nov 27, 2018 02:54
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ulmont posted:Yes. 4 rapid (G25;i10) games, then 2 blitz (G5;i3), then 1 Armageddon (white gets 6 minutes, black gets 5 minutes, black wins if there is a draw on the board) game. That's not correct. Here is the actual format, emphasis mine: quote:If the scores are level after the regular 12 games, four tiebreak games will be played. These are rapid games with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move.
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Nov 27, 2018 03:08
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Do draws also bother you in chess? Have you heard of endgame tablebases? No, and no. I understand that games can come to a draw, and that this game may have ended in a draw like all the others, but still dislike the calling of a premature draw when one side appeared to have an advantage.
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Nov 27, 2018 05:29
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I must admit that I have no idea if I would want to play black or white in an Armageddon game.
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Nov 27, 2018 05:50
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tonberrytoby posted:I must admit that I have no idea if I would want to play black or white in an Armageddon game. Black for sure. Guaranteed win for holding a draw. Guaranteed win for winning the game. Loss if you lose. This forces white to play to avoid any line that allows you to trade down into endgames. The extra time given up isn't even time you can't spend thinking - since if your opponent uses it to consider the board, you can too. There's a whole pile of games on lichess won by carlsen after berserking as well, so time odds are not even unfamiliar to him as a concept.
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Nov 27, 2018 07:08
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The most apt way for this match to finish would be all draws in the rapid and blitz games followed by a draw in the armageddon game to decide the winner. The most likely scenario is Carlsen finally winning a game during the blitz sessions since he is so much stronger than Caruana in that format.
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Flayer posted:The most apt way for this match to finish would be all draws in the rapid and blitz games followed by a draw in the armageddon game to decide the winner. The most likely scenario is Carlsen finally winning a game during the blitz sessions since he is so much stronger than Caruana in that format. Gimme Carlsen +2 in the rapid.
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In case anyone's curious just how good Carlsen is at fast time controls, here's a video of him playing 30-second games in a 1-minute bullet tournament. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTEj4moaay0
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That's kind of inhuman. Are we sure Carlsen isn't an AI?
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