Mr. Mercury posted:

In the interest of preventing the garbage argument merry-go-round, would it help to index common misconceptions/refutations of said points in the OP (as the thread progresses, not all at once) so we can point people that way instead of derail discussions? Maybe quote the original post and refuting posts there? This post has a lot of information (which is great) but little speaking to exact queries.

I only mention this as a spitball solution because it seems like this is happening quite often in D&D threads of late, and the solution clearly can't be to punish people exhausted by pretending that extremely wrong stuff is worth discussing ad nauseam.

PhazonLink posted:

am i missing the thatsthejoke?

havent ride share and gig worker apps increased cars on roads and miles driven? and amazon's delivery trucks are inefficent because they decided to be techbros and try to reinvent various logistic stuff

Discendo Vox posted:

Oh don't be silly. The thread's been a lot of trouble.

Discendo Vox posted:

Oh don't be silly. The thread's been a lot of trouble. You should close it. People can still use the existing posts as a resource if they want.

Harold Fjord posted:

His Divine Shadow posted:

While climate change is one of those things that countries like Finland will be the least affected by, it also seems we just found a hereto unknown underground aquifer. And it's a big one. The biggest underground aquifer in the nordics. And it's not far inland from where I live.

Due to some interesting geological quirks which means the aquifer is very drought resistant and is continually refilled from the rainfall of a very large area that all runs into it eventually.

Feels like this will be an important discovery for dealing with climate change for us.

Zeta Taskforce posted:

This is an interesting data point but that doesn't change the fact that the climate is still changing everywhere. Some places are already on the edge of human habitability, some will be climate refuges. But even there refuges will still be affected. A couple years ago a think tank ranked all 3200 US counties based on the severity of climate impacts and Lamoille County Vermont was supposedly the best place to be. It borders where I grew up. The assumptions were not wrong, but that didn't stop the second 100 year flood in 14 years from devastating the area.

Finland will still have more severe heat waves, floods, and droughts. It will still have more mild winters, that will mean insects that you have never seen before will now be able to survive your winters and destroy your forests. And you are highly dependent on a robust Gulf Stream and AMOC.

Nowhere is safe

Harold Fjord posted:

Bad news, all that rainwater has unsafe levels of PFAS

jeeves posted:

I like to equate the gently caress-you-got-mine thinking of “well my region will ride it out so I shouldn’t worry” to the same people who think a personal bunker would be the answer to anything: sure it may make you feel better but just wait until other people find out come for your resources or perceived safety.

Of course that line of thinking when extrapolated back towards climate change leads right into blame-migrants style politics that allows the rich to further cement control via fascists so yay?

Zeta Taskforce posted:

This is an interesting data point but that doesn't change the fact that the climate is still changing everywhere. Some places are already on the edge of human habitability, some will be climate refuges. But even there refuges will still be affected. A couple years ago a think tank ranked all 3200 US counties based on the severity of climate impacts and Lamoille County Vermont was supposedly the best place to be. It borders where I grew up. The assumptions were not wrong, but that didn't stop the second 100 year flood in 14 years from devastating the area.

Finland will still have more severe heat waves, floods, and droughts. It will still have more mild winters, that will mean insects that you have never seen before will now be able to survive your winters and destroy your forests. And you are highly dependent on a robust Gulf Stream and AMOC.

Nowhere is safe

jeeves posted:

I like to equate the gently caress-you-got-mine thinking of “well my region will ride it out so I shouldn’t worry” to the same people who think a personal bunker would be the answer to anything: sure it may make you feel better but just wait until other people find out come for your resources or perceived safety.

Of course that line of thinking when extrapolated back towards climate change leads right into blame-migrants style politics that allows the rich to further cement control via fascists so yay?

His Divine Shadow posted:

Wasn't saying we where safe. Everything will get worse. But that's why I'm glad we at least got this aquifer.

BBC posted:

A catastrophic die-off of emperor penguin chicks has been observed in the Antarctic, with up to 10,000 young birds estimated to have been killed.

The sea-ice underneath the chicks melted and broke apart before they could develop the waterproof feathers needed to swim in the ocean.

The birds most likely drowned or froze to death.

The event, in late 2022, occurred in the west of the continent in an area fronting on to the Bellingshausen Sea.

It was recorded by satellites.

Dr Peter Fretwell, from the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), said the wipeout was a harbinger of things to come.

More than 90% of emperor penguin colonies are predicted to be all but extinct by the end of the century, as the continent's seasonal sea-ice withers in an ever-warming world.

"Emperors depend on sea-ice for their breeding cycle; it's the stable platform they use to bring up their young. But if that ice is not as extensive as it should be or breaks up faster, these birds are in trouble," he told BBC News.

"There is hope: we can cut our carbon emissions that are causing the warming. But if we don't we will drive these iconic, beautiful birds to the verge of extinction."
....

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

If we're going to talk about terrible climate people Shellenberger is nuts and not taken that seriously along with Bjorn Lomborg. Alex Epstein however has been regularly invited to Congress.

quote:

But a systematic evaluation of 26 carbon offset projects that claim to slow the rate of potential deforestation in six countries on three continents found that the vast majority of projects did not actually slow deforestation, and those that did were significantly less effective than they claimed
...
The study looked at 26 projects in six countries: Cambodia, Colombia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Peru, Tanzania, and Zambia. Researchers found that only eight of the 26 projects selling offsets showed any evidence of reducing deforestation, and even those that did failed to achieve the extent of reductions that the projects claimed.

Only 18 of the 26 projects had sufficient publicly available information to determine the number of offsets they were projected to produce. From project implementation until 2020, those 18 projects were expected to generate up to 89 million carbon offsets to be sold in the global carbon market. But researchers estimate that only 5.4 million of the 89 million, or 6.1 percent, would be associated with actual carbon emission reductions.

Owling Howl posted:

Things are proceeding apace in Antarctica.

khwarezm posted:

https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1695821301691318418
I'd like to say he doesn't matter but his career now is essentially making threads like this constantly, getting tens of thousands of likes and retweets and Elon Musk commenting 'Concerning!' before appearing on Joe Rogan to talk about how homeless people in San Francisco need to be exterminated...

khwarezm posted:

https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1695821301691318418
I'd like to say he doesn't matter but his career now is essentially making threads like this constantly, getting tens of thousands of likes and retweets and Elon Musk commenting 'Concerning!' before appearing on Joe Rogan to talk about how homeless people in San Francisco need to be exterminated, the US government is hiding the aliens and there's a vast conspiracy lying to the public that Global Warming is real and has effects on things.

Remember, this man started out as a 'reasonable environmentalist who had some concerns with the extreme parts of the movement'.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Climate Change: Death March of the Penguins

Why exterminate the homeless when you could, I dunno, concentrate them in "camps" and force them to contribute to the betterment of our society, like the [REDACTED] do with the [REDACTED] minority in the [REDACTED] province of [REDACTED]! We'd be much better stewards of the downtrodden and unfortunate than they are, and they'd have JOBS at long last! Everyone wins!

(I seriously think this is coming in our lifetimes because it's evil both sides of the political spectrum at the policymaking level can get behind if they can "sell/spin" it right )

quote:

“You've got waters that are warm and there's not really going to be much to slow it down,” DeSantis said. “We can hope for the best but I believe we should prepare for the worst.”

quote:

DeSantis’s Florida Approves Climate-Denial Videos in Schools

Florida’s Department of Education has approved classroom use of videos that spout climate disinformation and distort climate science

VideoGameVet posted:

Guus Berkhout is at it again ...

1,600 scientists, including two Nobel laureates, declare climate ’emergency’ a myth

More about that here:

https://theclimatetrail.substack.com/p/guus-berkhout-is-at-it-again

A big flaming stink posted:

Are any of those scientists climatologists

quote:

The two “Nobel Laureates” listed in this declaration are:

Ivar Giaever: “the “measured” average temperature increase in 100 years or so, is 0.8 Kelvin.”

Well, in fact the temperature increase in the last 100 years is over 1ºC and much of that has happened in the last 20 years.

John Francis Clauser : In May 2023, Clauser joined the board of the CO2 Coalition, a climate change denial organization.

VideoGameVet posted:

I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists. I profile the two Nobel Laureates that were touted.

I did find a lot of people (besides those two) in the oil industry and/or on conservative think tanks.

What a Co-Inky-Dink!

VideoGameVet posted:

I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists.

VideoGameVet posted:

I did some random lookups and didn't find any climate scientists. I profile the two Nobel Laureates that were touted.

I did find a lot of people (besides those two) in the oil industry and/or on conservative think tanks.

What a Co-Inky-Dink!