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Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:

Hmm yes i care about this nazi state's navy being blocked at sea :hmmyes:

which one of them

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Jewel Repetition posted:

Love to say self-determination is colonialist instead of the very exact opposite

-hitler right before the anschluss referendum

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


I, for one, offer my critical support for the descendants of colonists looking for a beach house to have their stolen land rightfully returned to the original thief.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
anyone who doesnt like the US is automatically anti-imperialist, sorry i dont make the rules

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



there are a lot of libs reflexively posting things on twitter, reddit, etc about how the eternal Russian is inherently an enemy of civilization and his perfidious nation needs to be torn apart and divided up for the good of its neighbors, or just nuked by NATO, or whatever. its incredible how much unambiguous grotesque Russophobia is still an acceptable part of our public discourse. I'll never forget the dude in my grad seminars on the eastern front and genocide in occupied Russia who often talked about all Russians being evil, questioning who the real enemy was, talking about the danger of communism and how Russians always undermined democracy, and telling us privately he just thought it was okay to kill them because they're our "historical enemies". Once the professor said he reminded him of Julius Streicher, which shut him up for the rest of the seminar, at least

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
what if i just think its bad that putin is a murderous reactionary

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
it means that you're hiding your actual racist opinions under the shadow of comrade putins giant swinging dick. its a p big shadow

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mastershakeman posted:

Isn't asov the orc from the hobbit part 3 the desolaution of smaug

yes, but he's also in parts one and two. and part 2 is d of smaug, idiot. you loving moron

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/I_Katchanovski/status/1067409945312747521

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003


Ukrainians really fuckin' hate their incumbent presidents, I'll give em that much

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Poroshenko is gonna give the Nazis even more power and become the Ukrainian Hindenburg.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

russia has wanted some sweet, sweet warm-water port action for the past three-plus centuries. this is nothing new and you have to be delusional and/or dumb as poo poo to be surprised about it in any way

also lmao at CNN saying "trump refused to chastise putin!" when he threatened to call off a G20 meeting with him because of this exact thing

Corny
Feb 18, 2006

i am scared
here is my hot take: both the ukrainian and russian governments are very bad


the ukrainian government tacitly supports nazis

and putins favorite activity in russia is to murder leftists



thanks for coming to my ted talk

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Corny posted:

here is my hot take: both the ukrainian and russian governments are very bad


the ukrainian government tacitly supports nazis

and putins favorite activity in russia is to murder leftists



thanks for coming to my ted talk
agreed, except all governments suck

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
All I'm saying is between continued slapfights over Crimea or the US gassing toddlers an hour away from where I live the latter was taking up my outrage and I couldn't muster a lot of care about the Sea of Azov (which I bet probably no one itt except other E Euros even knew where it was before checking on Google maps).

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

COMRADES posted:

All I'm saying is between continued slapfights over Crimea or the US gassing toddlers an hour away from where I live the latter was taking up my outrage and I couldn't muster a lot of care about the Sea of Azov (which I bet probably no one itt except other E Euros even knew where it was before checking on Google maps).
I knew where it was but I'm a geography nerd

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

COMRADES posted:

All I'm saying is between continued slapfights over Crimea or the US gassing toddlers an hour away from where I live the latter was taking up my outrage and I couldn't muster a lot of care about the Sea of Azov (which I bet probably no one itt except other E Euros even knew where it was before checking on Google maps).

Those silly East Euros with their bizarre named places in god knows where that people might be dying in soon. Teehee. Also i'm a socialist.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
I couldn't care less about this Easter European conflict I don't know anything about which is why I keep posting how much I don't care in this thread about it. I am a smart person.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



COMRADES posted:

All I'm saying is between continued slapfights over Crimea or the US gassing toddlers an hour away from where I live the latter was taking up my outrage and I couldn't muster a lot of care about the Sea of Azov (which I bet probably no one itt except other E Euros even knew where it was before checking on Google maps).

I know where it is from hex and counter eastern front wargames.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Grape posted:

Those silly East Euros with their bizarre named places in god knows where that people might be dying in soon. Teehee. Also i'm a socialist.

moridin constantly tells people they should take up arms in violent resolution and they're cowards if they don't and then never leaves the house

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
lol at the idea that russia is anything other than a reactionary empire expanding at the expense of its neighbors

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.
You bootlickers are all missing the obvious solution here, which is to dam the Bosphorous Strait and just loving drain the entire Black Sea

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord

Obliterati posted:

You bootlickers are all missing the obvious solution here, which is to dam the Bosphorous Strait and just loving drain the entire Black Sea
Who's gonna do the whole declaring war on Russia thing first tho? Could go badly

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Obliterati posted:

You bootlickers are all missing the obvious solution here, which is to dam the Bosphorous Strait and just loving drain the entire Black Sea

dam the strait of gibraltar and pump the mediterranean into the black sea

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
it's simple: we kill the batman

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Jose posted:

moridin constantly tells people they should take up arms in violent resolution and they're cowards if they don't and then never leaves the house

Dude 65% of the population in Crimea is Russian and and 15% is Ukrainian. It was part of Russia for hundreds of years until a beaurocratic internal border adjustment in the 50s resulted in it being part of Ukraine when the USSR was dismantled. It is way more Russian than it is Ukrainian.


quote:



March 2014:  GfK Group (Germany, performed by department in Ukraine) with 600 respondents found that 70.6% of Crimeans intended to vote for joining Russia, 10.8% for restoring the 1992 constitution and 5.6% did not intend to take part in the referendum. Link to the poll results

May 2014: Pew Research center (USA) have found that "Crimeans seem content with their annexation by Russia. Overwhelming majorities say the March 16th referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%)". 

So....... I should be upset that people there aren't violently resisting something they largely want because it isn't pro-NATO?

As much as Putin is an rear end in a top hat this isn't the USA genociding the native Americans nor does really anyone itt know what the hell they are taking about going "Nazi country what do you mean?" when even a cursory Google search would reveal that there are right wing nationalist militias roaming around Kiev making govt officials do what they want by threat of violence or that Ukraine was one of a very small handful of countries that wouldn't join the UN's recent resolution against the glorification of Nazis/neonazis or that Israel is literally sending arms to said right wing nationalist militias.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727


quote:

group of more than 40 human rights activists have filed a petition with the High Court of Justice, demanding the cessation of Israeli arms exports to Ukraine.

They argue that these weapons serve forces that openly espouse a neo-Nazi ideology and cite evidence that the right-wing Azov militia, whose members are part of Ukraine’s armed forces, and are supported by the country’s ministry of internal affairs, is using these weapons.

COMRADES has issued a correction as of 16:56 on Nov 28, 2018

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Grape posted:

Those silly East Euros with their bizarre named places in god knows where that people might be dying in soon. Teehee. Also i'm a socialist.

The USA kills more people daily but yeah let me stress about the seizure of some military vessels. Good leftists salivate over a Russia-NATO war and always toe the line the West lays down right? :thumbsup:

A good Socialist would be rooting for US/NATO intervention right now I guess.

I didn't mean "those silly East Euros who cares." I am Eastern European. I meant more that most of you have no idea what you're talking about.

COMRADES has issued a correction as of 16:57 on Nov 28, 2018

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
I don't disagree that there are no good guys involved in this conflict but that's exactly why self determination is the only principle you can judge it by

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Peanut President posted:

Ukraine sits on the sea of azov too, if this is a real question


Yes, the Russian semi-autonomous province of Ukraine does sit on the Azov sea.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Corny posted:

here is my hot take: both the ukrainian and russian governments are very bad


the ukrainian government tacitly supports nazis

and putins favorite activity in russia is to murder leftists



thanks for coming to my ted talk

The funny thing is, Putin doesn't even need to murder leftists. They'll be out of power for at least another fifteen years as they're perceived as, to a man, CIA pawns.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

mastershakeman posted:

Isn't asov the orc from the hobbit part 3 the desolaution of smaug

just came in to post my favorite smilie

:smaug:

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


mastershakeman posted:

Isn't asov the orc from the hobbit part 3 the desolaution of smaug

That's ACOG.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

COMRADES posted:

I don't care that much tbh. Crimea has been Russian since the late 1700s and is predominantly Russian in population.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Grape posted:

Those silly East Euros with their bizarre named places in god knows where that people might be dying in soon. Teehee. Also i'm a socialist.

this but unironically

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

in the war between western neoliberalism and duginism nobody wins except maybe cockroaches and maggots :shrug:

worldwide class war now imo

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



COMRADES posted:

Dude 65% of the population in Crimea is Russian and and 15% is Ukrainian. It was part of Russia for hundreds of years until a beaurocratic internal border adjustment in the 50s resulted in it being part of Ukraine when the USSR was dismantled. It is way more Russian than it is Ukrainian.


So....... I should be upset that people there aren't violently resisting something they largely want because it isn't pro-NATO?

As much as Putin is an rear end in a top hat this isn't the USA genociding the native Americans nor does really anyone itt know what the hell they are taking about going "Nazi country what do you mean?" when even a cursory Google search would reveal that there are right wing nationalist militias roaming around Kiev making govt officials do what they want by threat of violence or that Ukraine was one of a very small handful of countries that wouldn't join the UN's recent resolution against the glorification of Nazis/neonazis or that Israel is literally sending arms to said right wing nationalist militias.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

you loving idiot

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



a bunch of polite green men with guns showed up and everybody they didnt chase off or disappear voted to join russia hurray!

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

COMRADES posted:

Dude 65% of the population in Crimea is Russian and and 15% is Ukrainian. It was part of Russia for hundreds of years until a beaurocratic internal border adjustment in the 50s resulted in it being part of Ukraine when the USSR was dismantled. It is way more Russian than it is Ukrainian.


So....... I should be upset that people there aren't violently resisting something they largely want because it isn't pro-NATO?

As much as Putin is an rear end in a top hat this isn't the USA genociding the native Americans nor does really anyone itt know what the hell they are taking about going "Nazi country what do you mean?" when even a cursory Google search would reveal that there are right wing nationalist militias roaming around Kiev making govt officials do what they want by threat of violence or that Ukraine was one of a very small handful of countries that wouldn't join the UN's recent resolution against the glorification of Nazis/neonazis or that Israel is literally sending arms to said right wing nationalist militias.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

lol if u think putin doesn't support nazis

way to justify putin's lebensraum

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Panzeh posted:

lol at the idea that russia is anything other than a reactionary empire expanding at the expense of its neighbors

here's the thing though: i dont care if they are

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upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

oh no, some slightly different variation of cousin-loving slav might to not get to 'vote' for some neo-lib shitstain.

better spend a trillion nato-bucks to keep that horror from seeing daylight!

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