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Just finished ep 8: David noooooooo! Edit: Just started episode 9 Yes! Yes! Edit Edit: Just finished episode 9 Aw poo poo Tokelau All Star fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Dec 16, 2018 |
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Rocksicles posted:Will you knock it off with the spoilers. it's still sunday My bad
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Dec 16, 2018 22:22
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Just binged Season 3 Goddamn Exponentially better every season And the Director continues to be goddamn terrifying.
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Dec 16, 2018 22:51
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Not sure I want another series, that was such a good ending.
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Dec 16, 2018 23:10
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Dec 17, 2018 05:05
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Flesh Forge posted:The record has to survive into the future for the Director to know about it, they've established that at many points through the series. But in S1 they said that the technology that made it possible to get accurate TELLs was social media. I understood this to mean that stuff recorded and uploaded somewhere to the internet survived hundreds of years by virtue of everything being backed up in the cloud/multiple data centers. The whole blood archive thing seems just like a plot device that they pulled out of their rear end.
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Dec 17, 2018 08:11
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I couldn't stop myself from binging this. I didn't realize it was on Netflix now. Very good season. It seems like they took every liberty they could knowing that the season was going to end ambiguously. While that could have easily been a series finale, I hope they keep going. This show is so good. When they got the protocol omega, I figured the director abandoned that timeline, we'd see how the team dealt with the ramifications of that, and then we'd switch to another timeline where they keep going. Maybe that's what they will do next if the show continues. I'm interested to see what's next.
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Dec 17, 2018 08:51
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This season has been a who's who of Canadian Sci-Fi. I'd like to see a team on the otherside's day to day, they can't be all bad, all the time.
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Dec 17, 2018 08:59
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The season felt a little off. The reveal at the end of last season was mostly just swept to the side, and just lead to a few mediocre storylines. What was the point of giving people amnesia drugs, if they were just going to more or less ignore the drugs not working? Also, unless I missed it they never explained how the faction suddenly because so strong, and was able to conceal a massive operation from the director, and this is after they were defeated last season. Overall I thought it was good and I hope we get another season, but it wasn't quite as good as the last one.
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Dec 17, 2018 09:03
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Unkempt posted:Not sure I want another series, that was such a good ending. Was that not an intentional series finale? The "Version 2" thing just seemed like playful "The End... or is it?"-type ending to me.
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Dec 17, 2018 09:51
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Haven't quite finished season 3 but gently caress S3E9! I can't believe they killed off the best and most wholesome character on the show. gently caress!
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Dec 17, 2018 10:25
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redleader posted:Haven't quite finished season 3 but gently caress S3E9! I can't believe they killed off the best and most wholesome character on the show. gently caress! Here lies David. He never scored
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Dec 17, 2018 11:11
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Boris Galerkin posted:But in S1 they said that the technology that made it possible to get accurate TELLs was social media. I understood this to mean that stuff recorded and uploaded somewhere to the internet survived hundreds of years by virtue of everything being backed up in the cloud/multiple data centers. The whole blood archive thing seems just like a plot device that they pulled out of their rear end. Since 001 ends up basically overwriting the Internet with himself, the Archive stuff had to have been there from the beginning or we'd have no show, although yes it does feel like it was not something planned back in the first season 
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Dec 17, 2018 11:22
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Flesh Forge posted:Since 001 ends up basically overwriting the Internet with himself, the Archive stuff had to have been there from the beginning or we'd have no show, although yes it does feel like it was not something planned back in the first season The Faction didn't exist at the start of the series, though. Presumably the archives were started in response to the Faction destroying data to blind the Director. I assume a lot of the data in the archives is social media info for TELLS.
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Dec 17, 2018 15:15
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Boris Galerkin posted:But in S1 they said that the technology that made it possible to get accurate TELLs was social media. I understood this to mean that stuff recorded and uploaded somewhere to the internet survived hundreds of years by virtue of everything being backed up in the cloud/multiple data centers. The whole blood archive thing seems just like a plot device that they pulled out of their rear end. I'm pretty sure they mentioned that The archives were a direct response to the faction. The latter, knowing that the director would use social media and the like to spy on them, has been smashing tech infrastructure in an attempt to blind the director. The archives are a way to guarantee that the data that it needs survives.
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Dec 17, 2018 15:15
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Caros posted:I'm pretty sure they mentioned that The archives were a direct response to the faction. The latter, knowing that the director would use social media and the like to spy on them, has been smashing tech infrastructure in an attempt to blind the director. The archives are a way to guarantee that the data that it needs survives. Were they smashing tech infrastructure? I thought they were targeting the Archives and nuking them. So that’s the part I’m confuse about I guess. In S1/S2 it was established that information could be passed to the future via the “Cloud” but now in S3 they tell us it’s actually passed into the future via direct bloodlines. Which was why the Faction was trying to blow them up. Also I just remembered something, when David woke up/revived he was presumably in that room for a good while, and then Marcy showed up and they chatted for a bit too. All of a sudden David said “there’s a black box here that wasn’t here before.” We know that’s the nuke but … did it just appear from thin air like David makes it sound like? I find it hard to believe that David didn’t notice the box right in the middle of the room in the time he woke up until the time he mentioned it. If it just poofed into the world where the hell did it come from? If it came from the future then that changes everything because the director could just poof boxes back in time with advanced tech already built, no need to send engineers to build them with old tools.
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Dec 17, 2018 18:16
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It's not that the infrastructure got smashed or destroyed, it's that it all (or mostly all) got subverted by 001, which I guess was why the Director invoked Protocol Omega and stopped communicating to the Traveler agents
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Dec 17, 2018 18:26
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Boris Galerkin posted:Were they smashing tech infrastructure? I thought they were targeting the Archives and nuking them. It was already there, you can see it in other shots after he wakes up but before he says anything about it. He just didn't notice it until that moment. They put it in after they shot him while he was out.
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Dec 17, 2018 18:29
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Unkempt posted:Not sure I want another series, that was such a good ending. I'm satisfied with the ending. If they say that was the end of the show, I'm good with it.
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Dec 17, 2018 19:30
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X-O posted:How are you gonna be OP of a Netflix show thread and then gently caress up the spoiler rules? Man I’d be pissed if hadn’t already finished it. Not cool dude. I didn't realize there had been any hard spoiler rules in place for Netflix. Last year we just played it by ear, so my fault.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:19
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The general rule seems to be a week of spoiler tags and then it's open season.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:10
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skipdogg posted:I'm satisfied with the ending. If they say that was the end of the show, I'm good with it. Me too, although they could also do whatever the hell they wanted next season including an entirely new cast
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Dec 17, 2018 22:12
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Cojawfee posted:The general rule seems to be a week of spoiler tags and then it's open season. Isn't it 72 hours?
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Dec 17, 2018 22:16
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Rules I know of are basically give it 72 hours and then have at it, I think that's how I remember it being for Daredevil off the top of my head. Guess I can wait a few days to start wildly speculating about stuff. Regarding the last scene of the S3 finale, what's really throwing me off is that as far as I can recall, Marcy was developmentally disabled and David was a social worker helping her. Then when some rando jerks are about to kill her a Traveler takes over, beats them up, and then has to deal with the complications that result from suddenly being a very competent and self-sufficient member of society. Which come to think of it, isn't a very Protocol 5 approach. The guy who pops into the killer is like "cool, guess I'm off to prison forever now" after he completes his task, it seems like Marcy should have been some really poor taste "pretend to be mentally deficient" stuff if she played it by the book, though of course the whole team was way fast and loose with the protocols basically from the start. So if we're seeing a fully mentally capable Marcy meeting David for the first time on the bus, my assumption is that's us in the Traveler program Ver. 2 universe with Marcy's Traveler in place already, which would also seem to indicate that our team was sent in earlier than they were in the pilot. Based on that my rough guess for how S4 could go is that we pick up at an earlier chronological date in the timeline (probably very close to when the pilot begins), we have the same hosts for travelers but maybe some or even all of them are different traveler numbers, which gives the actors a chance to show their chops a bit. The team leader is downloaded into someone else instead of McLaren (giving the show some new blood to work with, and it seems like a no-brainer to have that be Traveler 3468 so you can do some fun "same guy in the same time, but played by different actors" stuff. Then right as they're getting situated McLaren shows up and tells them he's the only guy to make it from the last failed attempt, and he's there to lead them and make sure they get it right this time. Something vaguely along those lines. I mean, that's just some real rough fan ideas there and it sounds plenty intriguing to me, and an exponentially better hook to the next season than this season's "Er I dunno memory drugs and stretch that conflict over the season here and there." There's other stuff I want to discuss too but I'll wait a bit to just live that tag-free lifestyle. A week seems like a bit much to me personally, but if that's how people want it then who am I to argue. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 22:19
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NowonSA posted:Rules I know of are basically give it 72 hours and then have at it, I think that's how I remember it being for Daredevil off the top of my head. Guess I can wait a few days to start wildly speculating about stuff. Flashback: Original Marcy was only disabled because 001 experimented on her. She was a nurse before then.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:23
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NowonSA posted:Regarding the last scene of the S3 finale, what's really throwing me off is that As far as I can recall, Marcy was developmentally disabled and David was a social worker helping her. Then when some rando jerks are about to kill her a Traveler takes over, beats them up, and then has to deal with the complications that result from suddenly being a very competent and self-sufficient member of society. Which come to think of it, isn't a very Protocol 5 approach. The guy who pops into the killer is like "cool, guess I'm off to prison forever now" after he completes his task, it seems like Marcy should have been some really poor taste "pretend to be mentally deficient" stuff if she played it by the book, though of course the whole team was way fast and loose with the protocols basically from the start. Did you skip last season? Marcy wasn't actually retarded, she had brain damage from being used as a guinea pig in 001's consciousness transfer experiments. No 001, no brain damage.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:26
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Marcy's new personality was improperly prepared because the only social media info that survived into the future showed her to have a normal mentality, working as a librarian, that David was a reporter researching a story at her library etc; it's explained that Damaged Marcy and David created that fake profile info as a way to teach Marcy about social media (I had just reviewed this so I remember). By the time she figured out her host body was brain damaged, it was way too late, she'd already exposed her capacities to David and her doctor at minimum. Keep in mind that the original Marcy was only damaged because 001 experimented on her; in the new timeline created in the final episode, 001 never was sent back, so he was never there to experiment on Marcy's brain, so she never got brain damaged. It's wide open as to what happened after MacLaren did his jump; the only other action he's shown to have taken was averting the Helios asteroid. e: f,b 
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Dec 17, 2018 22:27
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Ah yeah I totally forgot that bit about Marcy last season, that makes more sense. Kind of pushes it more into them trying to write a solid series finale too, which is a bummer for me when I want more of this show.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:30
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As far as I can find news, the show is neither explicitly renewed nor explicitly complete, so there might still be more seasons depending on how well this batch does e: Luke Cage and Iron Fist were cancelled, but they weren't all that well received so who knows
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Dec 17, 2018 22:41
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Spoiler, whole season. Spitballing ideas for S4: It'd rule if the director resets the program, new strategy of a Traveler city-state in the middle of nowhere. Step 1) Secret infrastructure build-out to guarantee the Shelter/Director's existence. Step 2) Secret city-state construction w/governmental cooperation. Step 3) Send back every human then a duplicate of the Director. Step 4a) Begin top-down timeline-influence via policy guidance and science/engineering support. Step 4b) Directortoday remains in constant contact with Directorfuture, aids in steering the timeline.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:43
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What if 3468 keeps living as McLaren, somehow still ends up with Kat, and lives a normal FBI life. Then he ends up searching that building and realizes he's about to be replaced by himself.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:45
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Boris Galerkin posted:Were they smashing tech infrastructure? I thought they were targeting the Archives and nuking them. It is a bit of a throwaway line but When they introduce the concept of the archives, they mention that it is a reaction to the Faction. Basically, after the coup failed, the faction started attacking the ways they knew the director would be able to see them. Smash a Facebook server in the right place and suddenly the director doesn't have that information. Once the travelers knew about this new tactic, the director created a countermeasure, 'backing up' the data with the archives in order to make sure it arrived in a way that would be very, very hard for the faction to mess with. To which of course, they responded with nukes.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:02
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Regarding a potential season 4: A complete do-over would probably not work, if it involves a new bunch of characters. That rarely does. Keeping the same ones, for another round, that'll involve some mental gymnastics from the writers. I suppose they have ideas already, with what 9/11 not happening.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:28
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Combat Pretzel posted:Regarding a potential season 4: A complete do-over would probably not work, if it involves a new bunch of characters. That rarely does. Keeping the same ones, for another round, that'll involve some mental gymnastics from the writers. I suppose they have ideas already, with what 9/11 not happening. I had the same thought and checked it out, 9/11 still went down, or at least we have no evidence to the contrary. 3468's in there with 10 minutes and change before the first plane hits, compared to when 001 was downloaded there with like 3-5 minutes before the plane hit. We're trained to expect someone looking out and not seeing stuff go down in a time travel thing as "hey that thing was stopped" but yeah, he's just looking out on the city being normal like it would have been a few minutes before it the attack. I'm still a fan of the general template I laid out in my previous post as a way to tackle next season. As far as a renewal, the marvel shows aren't a great comparison since on top of being a different genre there was the broader "hey this is a Disney property" angle to it. Points in its favor is that it's a sci-fi show on a platform that doesn't have all that much sci-fi to it, especially when only counting Netflix originals. Altered Carbon is the other show in that category, but that's harder sci-fi and must cost way more to make, and hey that was renewed. Travelers is legitimately binged in high numbers as well, it's kind of quietly popular. I think they wrote a finale that works as a series finale if needed, which in theory almost every show should do just in case, but it's still a really fun premise to explore and it's a rare showrunner/writing team that only has three seasons of ideas for any show, and I feel like that goes double for something high-concept or science fiction based. Cojawfee posted:What if 3468 keeps living as McLaren, somehow still ends up with Kat, and lives a normal FBI life. Then he ends up searching that building and realizes he's about to be replaced by himself. That was the other somewhat obvious possibility I have in mind, though I think that could be an indication of them being the ultimate good soldier. Seems like they're more useful as the X factor and possessing extra knowledge instead.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:43
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skipdogg posted:I'm satisfied with the ending. If they say that was the end of the show, I'm good with it. It's 72 hours right? I don't really think they can do anything with this cell anymore regardless. And we never saw Ray again, my favorite degenerate.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:51
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Cojawfee posted:What if 3468 keeps living as McLaren, somehow still ends up with Kat, and lives a normal FBI life. Then he ends up searching that building and realizes he's about to be replaced by himself. He pretty clearly cockblocks himself with Kat so, probably not.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:57
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Combat Pretzel posted:Regarding a potential season 4: A complete do-over would probably not work, if it involves a new bunch of characters. That rarely does. Keeping the same ones, for another round, that'll involve some mental gymnastics from the writers. I suppose they have ideas already, with what 9/11 not happening. If they go that route, I can see Grant seeking out Carly, Trevor and Philip later, assuming they get the same travelers. But they should probably leave David and Original Marcy with their happy ending and have a new actress for medic-traveler.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:58
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In the new timeline, David has a historically-recorded death and is overwritten by a traveler, while Marcy is the normal person/audience surrogate
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Dec 18, 2018 00:00
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Flesh Forge posted:He pretty clearly cockblocks himself with Kat so, probably not. He did, but time has a weird way of working. They could still run into each other again and it turns out John still never showed up, so she never got married..
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Didn't really dig how this season wrapped up, the show is so close to being flawless but there's always these little niggles I have. 001 transferring into the wife beater cop was blatantly obvious, I know the team was under pressure and whatever but but they really should have been more suspicious of him. I guess I should give them a little more credit as I don't think they knew he was in charge of the faction yet, but it still felt off. MacLaren overwriting himself 17 years before and justifying it by saying he was saving Kathryns life was laughable, but the team just shrugged and went with it. Philip kept seeing different timelines but it didn't end up going anywhere interesting, I guess the "I only see one timeline" line was the climax to that? ehhh, pretty underwhelming. Why did the LASERS turn off after the bomb was diffused? Why would anyone spend time implementing that functionality? I know, TV show. But it did make me lol. Flesh Forge posted:In the new timeline, David has a historically-recorded death and is overwritten by a traveler, while Marcy is the normal person/audience surrogate That's the best option, David is awesome and I wouldn't want him back to being unaware or written out of the show.
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