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Best Not WWE Name
This poll is closed.
Up North 70 41.92%
New York 21 12.57%
Titan 12 7.19%
Stamford 18 10.78%
The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel 46 27.54%
Total: 167 votes
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ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I feel like a tournament where a bunch of the participants are in on technicalities and we have to debate whether or not somebody is in based on where they did their worst poo poo wouldn't be a great takedown anyway.

This can be a criticism of the overall culture of wrestling. We'll get back to blagging on WWE with the NIT.

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DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Run the tournament without Vince, winner faces Vince in a final bonus round. Simple

elf help book
Aug 5, 2004

Though the battle might be endless, I will never give up

DeathChicken posted:

Run the tournament without Vince, winner faces Vince in a final bonus round. Simple

Brawl for All 2

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
Whomever invented the long independent Wrestling show intermission.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority
As someone who enjoyed reading about the incidents and such in the NY64, I think the Worst Person award is way less interesting than focusing further on specific incidents and such. IMO scrap the worst person and make another bracket of awful angles, scandals, abuse, etc.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

here's the drat truth about why this tournament is opening up to non-WWE. it's because for all of the hooting going on about how awful everyone is, there were not even 64 nominees from WWE. only 63. it's a loving joke

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer
I guess it's kind of a damning indictment of the industry as a whole when Dick Murdoch, actual KKK member, is barely a blip on the radar. Granted, I think he only spent barely a year in the WWF/E, but still.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

the escape goat posted:

name the tournament after Vince, duh

♪ It's the First Annual, Vincent. K McMahon, Award for..... Outstanding Achievement in! The Field of..... Shittiness! ♪

MotU
Mar 6, 2007

It was like she was evicting walking garbage.
Pillbug
make an 8 bracket tournament about the good things WWE has actually done imo

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

Karmine posted:

And if my understanding is correct Carlos Colon was pretty involved in covering it up.

I'll never forget being at his hall of fame induction and one voice in the crowd cutting through the silence to scream, "You killed Bruiser Brody!" Like, no one could pretend they didn't hear it.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



So this seems like a good time and place to vent.

So I was listening to a huge recap of the Montreal Screwjob by Meltzer and I heard about how Davey Boy Smith dedicated his European title defense against Shawn Michaels to his (Davey's) sister who was dying of cancer.

Davey lost that match.

I thought this was scummy enough but I just now saw that he didn't just say in some one off promo that this was for her, she escorted him to the ring. So he could lose and Shawn could get a meaningless win. The only meaning in him winning that match and belt was pure spite against the Harts and his ego ballooning beyond even Hulk Hogan levels.


I grew up loving Shawn and Trips. They were great, entertaining and, yes, very sexy men who spoke to something in little me. But nowadays, no matter how great a performer he was back then, 90s Shawn Michaels has to be one of the worst people to ever be in the business. It makes me feel so bad.

He isn't on par with the literal murderers but goddam he has to be up there somewhere.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I think the Shawn Michaels of today would absolutely agree with you. He was a petty, egocentric piece of poo poo who got away with almost everything thanks to both being legitimately one of the best wrestlers of all time AND being in place when Vince McMahon/WWF was at its most vulnerable. Even today there's still a bit of a whiff of narcissism/self-aggrandizement about him and how "humble" he is but I doubt anybody would argue that he isn't a better person now than he was in the 90s.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

I have no idea if Shawn is a good person now, but he does seem to at least acknowledge that he was a terrible person back then. Its possible he's just a different kind of bad now or the same kind and just high on his poo poo. But just acknowledging that the bad poo poo you did was bad is the first step to not being bad.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


I think Shawn, Bret and even Austin's attitude towards protecting your spot comes in part from coming up when Hogan was on top, and looking out for yourself at all costs was kind of what you had to do. Bret had the whole WM9 thing going down, and you know that sent a message to everyone else.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

I think Austin came to realize that not protecting your spot is synonymous with "Job to Jim Duggan in 30 seconds"

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

Smoking Crow posted:

Invader I wrestled in WWWF

He even wrestled Brody
Yeah, he had two separate full-time (W)WWF runs, he absolutely counts, even if it's limited to people who spent time in WWE. Gonzalez even held something of a grudge stemming from Brody guzzling him/arguably taking liberties in a match they had at the Nassau Coliseum, though it's not believed to be his motive for the murder per se. Colon might be worth including, as well, given the HOF induction and his role leading the cover-up.

bartok
May 10, 2006



Jerusalem posted:

I think the Shawn Michaels of today would absolutely agree with you. He was a petty, egocentric piece of poo poo who got away with almost everything thanks to both being legitimately one of the best wrestlers of all time AND being in place when Vince McMahon/WWF was at its most vulnerable. Even today there's still a bit of a whiff of narcissism/self-aggrandizement about him and how "humble" he is but I doubt anybody would argue that he isn't a better person now than he was in the 90s.

The Shawn Michaels of today would come out of retirement to accept blood money from the KSA.

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values
How much money does the guy need? He was rich even before his main event run as some fan died and apparently willed him a six figure inheritance. He wasn't related to him or anything, just the world's #1 Shawn Michaels super fan.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

Tato posted:

How much money does the guy need? He was rich even before his main event run as some fan died and apparently willed him a six figure inheritance. He wasn't related to him or anything, just the world's #1 Shawn Michaels super fan.

He thought he was cute, he knew he was sexy

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

Tato posted:

How much money does the guy need? He was rich even before his main event run as some fan died and apparently willed him a six figure inheritance. He wasn't related to him or anything, just the world's #1 Shawn Michaels super fan.

look you don't question stuff when God comes to you and "says become a billionaire shawn, its what I command of you"

finalcake
Oct 5, 2002

CHESTO~!!

STAC Goat posted:

I have no idea if Shawn is a good person now, but he does seem to at least acknowledge that he was a terrible person back then. Its possible he's just a different kind of bad now or the same kind and just high on his poo poo. But just acknowledging that the bad poo poo you did was bad is the first step to not being bad.

I remember RVD and especially Gregory Helms have spoken out about how he still had a petty/sarcastic attitude back in the mid to late 2000s. So he's probably the same personality-wise, just calmer and no more drugs.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


ChrisBTY posted:

I think Austin came to realize that not protecting your spot is synonymous with "Job to Jim Duggan in 30 seconds"

Yeah, which also is a result of Hogan. I think part of why the Rock wasn't so worried about it is that he never had to deal with Hogan until he was already a megastar.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

Aku posted:

I remember RVD and especially Gregory Helms have spoken out about how he still had a petty/sarcastic attitude back in the mid to late 2000s. So he's probably the same personality-wise, just calmer and no more drugs.

I mean, its totally possible. But Step 1 is "acknowledge you did hosed up poo poo." There's steps after that and its entirely possible HBK hasn't done them and is only doing Step 1 because he knows he's supposed to and it allows him his current form of self satisfaction. But he did still do Step 1 which is more than a LOT of assholes have done.

But who knows? I certainly would not put money on HBK not still being an rear end in a top hat in some way. He had a LOT to turn around.

STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jan 23, 2019

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




https://twitter.com/orinanne/status/1087898915540746240?s=21


Lol

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

sigh
Why can't I just...fuckin'...enjoy this?

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS


lmao that's some death of wcw era crowd levels.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Three years ago if Bryan cut this same promo, you wouldn't have been able to hear yourself think

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

DeathChicken posted:

Three years ago if Bryan cut this same promo, you wouldn't have been able to hear yourself think

https://youtu.be/5iVowkhUot4

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008

He wants a bunch of people on social media to watch a video where they bash people who are on social media? :psyduck:

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

who is the first he here

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

mariooncrack posted:

He wants a bunch of people on social media to watch a video where they bash people who are on social media? :psyduck:

Bryan didn't upload this video!

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008

Super No Vacancy posted:

who is the first he here

Jerusalem posted:

Bryan didn't upload this video!

I meant the guy who posted the tweet, not Daniel Bryan.

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

Ah you see how can he be against social media when he himself is made of carbon

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

lol

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine
Oh yeah, I forgot about Jimmy Del Ray, who got fired for raping a woman in a hotel, shaving her head, and leaving her a bloody smear along a hotel wall.
Even worse, he got initially Tatanka framed for it and unfairly suspended.

Vince at least had some decency to fire him and never take him back.

WCW hired him the next year.

Plus, one poster here summed him up perfectly: "He even looks like he should be on the sex offender registry. Like, all of them."

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Shiki Dan posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about Jimmy Del Ray, who got fired for raping a woman in a hotel, shaving her head, and leaving her a bloody smear along a hotel wall.
Even worse, he got initially Tatanka framed for it and unfairly suspended.

Vince at least had some decency to fire him and never take him back.

WCW hired him the next year.

Plus, one poster here summed him up perfectly: "He even looks like he should be on the sex offender registry. Like, all of them."

:stare:

That's certainly a glaring omission from his wikipedia page

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Shiki Dan posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about Jimmy Del Ray, who got fired for raping a woman in a hotel, shaving her head, and leaving her a bloody smear along a hotel wall.
Even worse, he got initially Tatanka framed for it and unfairly suspended.

Vince at least had some decency to fire him and never take him back.

WCW hired him the next year.

Plus, one poster here summed him up perfectly: "He even looks like he should be on the sex offender registry. Like, all of them."

Vince told a woman she should gently caress him to advance her career then raped her. He's not being decent here. He only cares about what he can get away with, hence why he will hire some rapists and child molestors back but not others.

Shiki Dan
Oct 27, 2010

If ya can move ya toes ya back's fine
Yeah, I suppose that's fair enough.

If there was any dime to be made from Jimmy Del Ray it would have been covered up.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016

Wow, Bix. First K.Rool, then Steve and now SEPHIROTH? Your dream game is real!

Shiki Dan posted:

Oh yeah, I forgot about Jimmy Del Ray, who got fired for raping a woman in a hotel, shaving her head, and leaving her a bloody smear along a hotel wall.
Even worse, he got initially Tatanka framed for it and unfairly suspended.

Vince at least had some decency to fire him and never take him back.

WCW hired him the next year.

Plus, one poster here summed him up perfectly: "He even looks like he should be on the sex offender registry. Like, all of them."
Where did those specific Del Ray details come out, anyway?

Also, wasn't he only let go because it happened in Anaheim and they were worried that WM12 publicity would cause problems?

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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




ChrisBTY posted:

I think Austin came to realize that not protecting your spot is synonymous with "Job to Jim Duggan in 30 seconds"

Yeah, he's talked about letting himself be talked into going heel, and how that basically ended his run because it poo poo on his character so hard.

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