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| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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I mean, I'm not sure WHY I'd be surprised that HHH is literally a "You're the real racist" guy. It makes perfect sense. But actually hearing him do it feels like a page turning.
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Dec 12, 2018 22:30
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I don't disagree that the Pillman thing should win but the Reid thing feels like it gets dismissed too easily as "eh, wrestlers are scummy in general so whatever." But you know, that's kind of the difficult "BUT THAT'S REAL BAD TOO!" in every one of these matchups. WWE is so evil.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:00
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Yeah, that's basically what I was saying sits badly with me. Some fans are way too comfortable saying "well, sure, by normal human standards that's a vile thing but they're not people, they're wrestlers and one of them who you think would be offended said it was ok or went with it or something so maybe its not so bad after all." Its gross and hosed up. If Charlotte suggested it, gave her blessing for it, or championed it doesn't really change that. It only changes how much she was a victim or complicit. And in total fairness to her I neither know what the full story is nor what her state of mind or stage of grief or whatever was so I'm not gonna jump to judge her personally as I would the company/industry with a history of such disregard and exploitation.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:32
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And like, even if you get the grieving person's permission to exploit their loved one's death that's still exploitation and manipulation because they're grieving emotional people.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:49
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ChrisBTY posted:I think they went the same way with Chuck Palumbo, Motorcycle Enthusiast in the mid 2000's. Yeah, Michelle McCool. WWE loves domestic abuse gimmicks. I mean, HHH drugged (and raped?) Stephanie.
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Dec 14, 2018 01:27
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Oh, also Kane raped Lita and then she loved him when their rape baby was killed.
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Dec 14, 2018 02:15
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Like, there's a lot of evil poo poo here that is really hard to dig through and rank. But like... they're in bed with a murderous regime foreign government and in the middle of an international murder scandal they went to that country and held a show for the murderers.
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Dec 14, 2018 02:56
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I'm still trying to figure out what kind of weird rear end porn niche has porn stars being forced to kiss the asses of the porn executives.
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Dec 16, 2018 19:02
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I think WWE holds a unique place in society as a scummy cesspool everyone moral who isn't a wrestling fan avoids but clean enough on the surface that they don't draw the kind of attention that creates easy scandals. To explain a WWE scandal you usually need a couple of sentences so it doesn't work well for tabloid stuff. And its fans are so obsessively addicted that even if they have morals that are offended by something they've just trained themselves to push it back like a mother making excuses that her son is saying Nazi poo poo. Except, you know, its not you not being able to shake the unconditional love for someone you created from your body, its you not being able to find some other way to entertain yourself on Monday nights.
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Dec 17, 2018 02:11
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MassRafTer posted:But this poo poo was all over the tabloid media. The Donahue shows was days after Larry King and then you had Now It Can Be Told too. The NY Post was all over it. To even do Donahue the WWF tried to demand to be allowed to put plants in the crowd to make themselves look better because they knew Vince was seen as a pariah after Larry King. I guess I should have said that WWE can break through into the mainstream attention with a scandal, but it can't hold the attention long enough for something to really happen. The Benoit murders did. Steroids and that Costas interview did. The Saudi Arabia stuff did. There was enough attention during Linda's campaign to prompt "Stand Up For WWE." But it doesn't have any real staying power because I think the WWE fans have just desensitized themselves into not caring and the rest of the world just doesn't give enough of a poo poo about WWE to hold interest. Its like people calling you up to tell you your cousin or classmate you never see and never liked and never think of did something terrible. It gets your attention for a minute, you discuss it with the people who care more than you, but then you get back to your life and forget about them again. The closest I thought we ever came was when Linda was running for office and I thought maybe she could prove enough of a nuisance for political enemies to want to kill her off. But that didn't happen.
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Dec 17, 2018 02:50
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The weirdest thing I think about the Akeem, Virgil, and Sapphire stuff is if you collected it all and showed it to someone who had no idea who Dusty Rhodes was and explained how they were all ways intended to embarrass and demean him for some petty reason that person would almost certainly draw the most logical conclusion that Dusty must be a black dude. And then when that person asked why every mockery of a white cowboy was racist as poo poo towards black people I'd have absolutely no idea how to answer that. "Because Vince thought Dusty 'talked black?'"
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Dec 17, 2018 02:56
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Yeah, I voted Akeem but I'm kind of regretting that because its slowly hitting me that even though I think Akeem might have been a more offensive gimmick than Virgil in that case OMG isn't the victim of it while Michael Jones is and will always be. Luckily it looks academic.
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Dec 17, 2018 03:29
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Seriously though. its a question I've always wondered and never really gotten a clear answer for. Why did Vince hate Dusty so drat much? I had a reflexive defense of Goldust that I nearly typed up a couple of times but like the more I thought about it the more and more it became kind of indefensible.
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Dec 18, 2018 06:04
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And yeah, Katie Vick just doesn't feel like it belongs. Its more of an embarrassment for HHH than anything else. Its just gross and pathetically dumb. Definitely feels like the NIT team that snuck in because of odd seeding/First Four shenanigans. edit: But hey, every tournament has a few dud 12s that people pick and then realize when the game starts are just outmatched. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Dec 18, 2018 06:29
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Charles Gnarwin posted:I'm shocked at how many votes Katie Vick is getting. It was gross but it wasn't actually portraying necrophilia. It was just a heel being over-the-top evil to mock the baby face. If I remember right Kane eventually confirmed and embraced the fact that he raped a corpse. So HHH was - naturally - totally right and justified. Because WWE. But yeah, I just watched an interview on Youtube where Lawler addresses calling Goldust a slur and whines that he could never do that now because the world is too PC and everyone has a voice and no one used to ever get offended by anything they did or said (because they didn't have the voice to say they were offended). So now I kind of want Goldust to win this whole thing. ChrisBTY posted:Oh, and just in case it doesn't happen in the finals. I think its a matter of perspective. To me GRR is just as bad as Crown Jewel and its what completely burned me on WWE. I've been done since GRR and I don't expect to go back any time soon. Crown Jewel was just the same thing but more public and transparent. And you could argue that's a net good thing or you could argue it makes what WWE did worse because they weren't just quietly ignoring the problems, they were actively refusing to engage. But its either or. The poo poo is evil and drew a line for me I can't accept rationalizations of. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Dec 18, 2018 22:06
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Like, even without engaging in the incredibly disingenuous and nonsensical false equivalency you draw and the practical realities of political engagement (and the fact you know nothing about my political engagement) "Buy the WWE Network or move to South America you commie" is maybe one the stupidest things I've ever read or heard.
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Dec 18, 2018 22:17
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Well at least the Khashoggi stuff has led a number of US politicians to at least pay lip service to opposing Saudi Arabia (which speaks to the case for why Crown Jewel was so bad because WWE went the opposite route). This may of course be fleeting and inadequate but the reality of politics is the way to bring about change is to engage, vote, and hopefully push things in the direction you want. While the reality of consumerism is the way to bring about change is to disengage, boycott, and hopefully cost them money. Or I guess I could just move to a commie country or something equally nonsensical.
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Dec 18, 2018 22:45
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Something like this can theoretically only help because maybe a few people read about the ring boys scandal or think about the Goldust gimmick or rewatch the Pillman interview and that's the straw that breaks the camel's back for them and they cancel the Network. And yeah, that's the only weapon we have against WWE. Our consumerism. Cancelling the Network, not watching the shows, not spending money on tickets and merch, and encouraging people to do the same. And like, its not like there aren't things that don't interest me like NXT, the Mae Young Classic, NXT UK, Finn Balor, Becky Lynch, AJ vs Joe, or whatever. But the GRR was the straw that broke my back and told me I couldn't keep engaging and giving them my tacit support when there's something that interests me enough to forget why I'm mad.
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Dec 18, 2018 23:08
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CopywrightMMXI posted:In going to vote Dave, just because it’s still continuing. I still think the WWE manufactured the outrage over the Peyton Royce incident earlier this year in an attempt to discredit Dave. Did they? I mean obviously they piled on in that transparent twitter copy and paste way but didn't he like actually say something gross and misogynistic? And wasn't the defense from his readers/fans basically "eh, that's what Dave does, he's an awkward weirdo who speaks bad"? Did I miss a turn in that story?
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Dec 20, 2018 21:18
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:WWE tampering generally means a worker agreeing to a pay raise. It's the least offensive of the contract entries in the tournament. I mean, I think you could make the case that practices like that which might benefit one wrestler at one time overall hurt the industry and more wrestlers in the big picture. But its definitely not getting to the Sweet 16 even if it gets past the Meltzer thing.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:22
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Dave said something about how Peyton was a better worker when she was “lighter” in a euphemism for her breast implants. So it was kind of skeevy and he probably should have just outright said what he meant but I still found the response to be a quite coordinated and somewhat insincere. Oh, obviously WWE's concern was disingenuous as gently caress and the coordinated twitter response was laughably transparent in parts. But like, that doesn't make Meltzer's comments any less gross. And it seems sketchy to try and weed through which wrestlers were sincerely offended on behalf of a friend/colleague and how many were just following some company attack strategy.
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Dec 20, 2018 22:42
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I actually didn't realize there was a confusion where some people thought he was calling her fat. For what its worth it was him judging her breasts that I thought was gross and worthy of derision.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:26
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TTBF posted:Peyton was mad at him for calling her fat, and he was mostly attacked by WWE stars for fat shaming. I agree with you about what Dave said not being OK but the fact that they got mad at him for something he didn't say (because focusing on the implants would raise discussion of "Why does a female athlete need breast implants in WWE when she didn't in NXT?") makes it easy to believe the outrage was instigated (not necessarily fully carried out) by WWE. Ah, ok. I obviously didn't follow the social media drama that closely. I guess I heard the outrage, found out what he said, and just assumed the rest. My bad. But yeah, while I don't doubt WWE would try and jump on it it just seems like since Meltzer genuinely said something hosed up and Royce had a reason to be upset that its just best form to give the benefit of the doubt not to WWE but the individual peers and friends of Royce who ostensibly wanted to support her. Maybe it wasn't true for all of them but like... Meltzer shouldn't have said it so sometimes you just gotta take the hit. Which, in fairness, according to that Bix article it sounds like Meltzer tried to do.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:37
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Most of the dogpiling happened after Meltzer took the hit. I don't follow your point at all. Is this some kind of "I was only racist because the sjws made me do it" idea? Sorry, I'm lost on that one.
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Dec 21, 2018 01:02
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Dave apologized immediately for his comments and made no attempt to correct Peyton Royce for misunderstanding things, then the dogpile happened. Apologizing and feeling remorse is just a justification for people to freely poo poo on you. So "don't apologize for doing something wrong because then your enemies will use it against you?"
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Dec 21, 2018 01:29
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Just to be clear, I'm not making any kind of value judgment on Meltzer. I kind of feel like I waded into a war I didn't know was happening. Like I said, I grant that WWE might have taken the opportunity to try and hurt an enemy because its what they do. But like, he said something bad, he took a licking for it, he apologized and owned it. I'm ok with that in a vacuum. If someone theoretically piled on for insincere reasons that's their separate flaw. Beyond that my feelings of Meltzer kind of begin and end with "he seems to write kind of badly for a professional writer." TTBF posted:That's a common belief/tactic in PR, yeah. Yeah, but corporate/political PR is scummy.
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Dec 21, 2018 01:40
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While the Chyna stuff is petty and bad like most other McMahon pettiness and terrible behavior it kind of pales to the broader illegal exploitation of thousands of employees that's arguably most responsible for WWE being the untouchable force for evil it is today.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:27
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What does "working on" mean? Like isn't the policy supposed to be that if you need it you can go get it? I have no idea if WWE was offering or if Chyna was seeking it out but the idea that they were "working on it" makes it almost sound like a business transaction with all the other WWE Legends, HOF, and Network stuff. But I have no idea. If any of that stuff is true it definitely elevates the Chyna stuff but still not to the level of what is sorta the core ethical issue with WWE. I'd think there would be major repercussions if the independent contractor thing was ever addressed.
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Dec 22, 2018 20:44
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MassRafTer posted:It's hard to get someone into rehab if they don't really want to go. Of course, which is why I said I have no idea if she was actually seeking it out and being denied. "Working on it" just seemed like an odd way to describe it since it implied to me a business arrangement. If it actually means "WWE was offering and people close to Chyna were trying to get her to accept" then ok, that's different. edit: Or I guess I should say "I inferred" instead of "it implied."
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Dec 22, 2018 21:13
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I went Hogan because I guess it just feels more direct? I dunno. Like the Wellness stuff is bullshit and one of the many terrible things we should all be ashamed for supporting WWE financially when they do with their business but like at its core it was just callous business indifference and deceit. There's a million things they would have done and have done for the same reasons. But like, there's no loving reason or need to bring back Hulk Hogan. Its just a "gently caress you" to anyone with morality or standards or... I dunno... is not a loving racist. And like Warrior, Moolah, Trump... yeah, this is another thing WWE does all the time and will always do and lol at anyone who says "HHH will be better" but its just a direct "gently caress you, we don't care and we'll do what we want because we don't give a single poo poo and neither do you." I'm totally conflicted and understandable of the counter argument though. That was just my instinctive decision. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Dec 26, 2018 |
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Dec 26, 2018 02:30
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This is another one where I voted for the one that probably shouldn't or won't win. Stand Up For WWE just infuriated me so much and in a lot of ways kind of symbolizes why I think WWE gets away with this stuff because its fans are so ready to excuse and defend it. Its a trigger for me. And, you know, it really does tie into the bigger political evils that WWE is contributing to and a very real part of it that in a lot of ways eclipse the small scale evil they've done for decades. But like, OTE probably totally should win.
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Dec 26, 2018 03:36
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Karmine posted:Ok so devil’s advocate here. The Owen Hart thing was an accident (a preventable one, born out of recklessness and disregard, but I don’t think Vince McMahon willfully killed Owen Hart). Not paying road expenses is one of a zillion labor abuses that has benefited the company’s bottom line for years and years. So if we’re just talking “sleaziest business practices” then for sure it’s road expenses. If we’re talking “shittiest thing WWE ever did” then yeah, Owen, no question. Its kind of consistent theme of this tournament/thread. There's a ton of systematic serious problems that WWE has done for decades that not only make their employees' lives worse and enrich WWE unjustly but also set standards and expectations for the industry as a whole. But those things are so common and routine for WWE that there's always some outrageously evil action that justifiably seems bigger.
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Dec 28, 2018 22:14
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Somehow it always managed to escape me until this thread that they WANTED him to fall and that's why it happened. Like I guess I always assumed he was just doing the basic Sting stunt but I only just in this thread read and realized that the plan was for him to intentionally screw it up and fall for comedy and that's why he had the "quick release" thing.
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Dec 28, 2018 22:32
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I'd call wrestlers like Sasha Banks and MVP borderline. If WWE had more credibility they wouldn't be stereotypes and the wrestlers themselves seem to embrace the gimmicks. But with WWE's history of sticking black wrestlers with stereotypical black gimmicks Sasha and MVP fall comfortably into the majority vs like a Bobby Lashley. I'm not sure I've ever bought into the "satire" excuse for the Mexicools. I'm not exactly sure where the line between "satire" and "minstrel show" is but again, WWE neither has the track record nor deft to find that line. But again, the Mexicools sadly are an institutional problem of WWE's racism and demeaning of wrestlers and employees. Which makes it feel like it pales next to honoring a piece of poo poo like the Warrior year after year.
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Dec 29, 2018 19:47
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I assume Nacho Libre was advertising dollars from the movie studio or corporate syngergy. edit: I never actually saw it before and assumed it was like, actually a movie tie in. I just watched. My bad. Yeah, that's just dumb rear end amusement from when they had no idea what ECW was.
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Dec 30, 2018 22:48
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Yeah at the core of a lot of this from the terrible treatment to the racist practices to the lack of accountability to even like more people not taking a stand against the KSA stuff like Bryan and Cena did is the independent contractor thing. If wrestlers actually had job security and protection then they'd be much more likely to not put up with all the bullshit WWE does. Which is as much the reason WWE does it as the money.
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Jan 1, 2019 04:07
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Don't they have a billionaire sugar daddy('s son)? Yeah, I think people are missing that the Khan's laugh at McMahon money. I mean, I have no idea if this is a real deal business investment or some distraction for a listless silver spooned heir. But the sugar daddy and money is all there if they want it.
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Jan 2, 2019 23:16
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The Trish thing is bad and I'm tempted to say "there's another KSA entry so...". But it seems only fair to vote for the thing that actually did finally sever my relationship with WWE.
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Jan 3, 2019 22:04
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Man, I knew JBL was a Fox Business regular but I didn't realize he had his own show. I don't know what that changes. It just surprised me.
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Jan 6, 2019 22:02
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And like even before Eddie they had Pillman. Back in those days we just had websites up running deadpools for wrestlers. It was some dark, dark poo poo.
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Jan 8, 2019 03:20
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