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Best Not WWE Name
This poll is closed.
Up North 70 41.92%
New York 21 12.57%
Titan 12 7.19%
Stamford 18 10.78%
The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel 46 27.54%
Total: 167 votes
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Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
WWE has to be terrible to be good, when WWE is good it is terrible. Change my mind.

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Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

El Gallinero Gros posted:

A lot of the on screen stuff isn't funny. I get no laughs from women, gay people and black people being humiliated because Vince's sense of humor is hosed. I've not listened yet but hopefully Vince essentially humiliating Chris Kanyon into suicide makes it.

I know some people laugh as a coping mechanism in some weird ironic thing, but I've found that I sorta hate that poo poo. It's one of the reasons why I stopped watching WWE; if I have to treat your product like I'm on an episode of MST3K to get through it, that's not good. Wrestling is already ridiculous, if I have to add a layer of irony to enjoy it, that means they hosed up.


This is loving stupid. I didn't start watching wrestling because I needed a dose of camp, I wanted athleticism, spectacle, and fun characters.

You are in the minority, maybe not on these forums but in terms of the public.

A moonsault isn't exciting after the 500th time.

Hako fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Dec 6, 2018

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Their ratings are sinking, and the indies continue to do good business, so no, I'm not. Not only that, but a lot of the WWE fans who stick around are sticking around because of individuals they enjoy watching despite the bad storytelling, or because they don't want to seek out other wrestling and WWE is the most accessible still.

Because the general population even knows the "indies" exist. You pure wraassstlin folk are a minority.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

bartok posted:

A home run or a touchdown isn't exciting after the 500th time.

Football isn't scripted. Ratings are falling because there is nothing exciting being scripted for wrestling no crazy zany moments.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
I get everyone wants to be on the right side of history, but guess what Wrestling is loving boring now and the ratings reflect that, you can have a moonsault royal rumble and its still not going to bring ratings.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Way to cherry pick, I'm not saying we need more racism theres lots of things on that list that are not that.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

SatoshiMiwa posted:

There's like a million different exciting things you can do that don't involve being insulting people for weight, being a homophobe or a transphobe, making fun of employees being sick but hey if that's exciting TV for you than the WWE is the company for you cause right now they're doing Saudi propaganda and using one of their employees Cancer illness to build heat

Saudis and Cancer don't get me hard, borrrrinnnngggggg

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Wazzu posted:

....how would you feel if your employer forced you to literally kiss his asscheeks, in front of the world?

Maybe we should ask the porn industry about kissing asses, or you know shows on HBO. These are carnies playing characters, let it go this isn't Nickelodeon.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Vince MechMahon posted:

On the porn thing, ironically, performers actually have iron clad contracts in most cases as well, signed in advanced of any scene, and if any of those rules are broken during a scene, it's a huge legal issue for the producers. No one is showing up to set and being told "by the way, you're also kissing the directors rear end, and if you don't agree your career is hosed."

Porn: treating it's performers better than WWE since at least the aughts.

Pretty sure if an employee said no boss sorry I'm not kissing your rear end, nothing would happen. But what you have is a bunch of week minded carny adults that can't think for themselves and will do whatever someone tells them to do for laughs. Maybe they should have become pornstars if they were so worried about it.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Benne posted:

... yeah, I'm gonna be following the redtext advice here

I'd like to know how I'm wrong. If your boss asked you to kiss his rear end would you? I'm guessing not. So why do we feel sorry for the carnies that say "yes boss I'll kiss your rear end"? They are working professionals just like yourself. Stop playing the victim card for them.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Benne posted:

There's a long fruitful discussion to be had about the hosed-up power dynamics and toxic work environment that Vince McMahon has fostered over the decades, which eventually leads to situations like talent agreeing to and/or coerced into kissing his rear end on live television. But it's late and I'm tired so I'll just say you're a loving moron and move on with my life.

hosed up power dynamics means nothing, they are working professionals and can easily have said no I'm not doing that.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Rarity posted:

You sound like an absolute oval office of a person

Answer the question, if your boss asked you to kiss his rear end would you say yes or no?

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Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Gumball Gumption posted:

100% should of been a kiss my rear end mod challenge.

But I would have said no.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

ThePariah posted:

*Looks at an opening post featuring dozens of awful ways that the WWE has treated its workers over the years, including racism, misogyny, exploiting death and negligently killing people*

"Yeah, this seems like a reasonable, professional workplace that would have a mature reaction to someone refusing a direct order."

Looks at all the posters ignoring that there are laws that prohibit this type of behavior, so if anyone actually had an issue with it they could you know see a lawyer like every other working professional in the world.

Hako fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Dec 16, 2018

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

NienNunb posted:

Hako I'm gonna stick you in a big cannon and shoot you directly into the sun

I just don't understand why common sense doesn't prevail around these forums.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Rarity posted:

"Oh hang on, I'm not an employee I'm an independent contractor and there's no laws preventing me being exploited by my employer"

This is wrong on a lot of levels and you know it.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Except that WWE was involved in a lawsuit arguing that very thing. Raven and a few other ex employees sued them over that status. And big loving surpise, WWE dragged it out as long as they could, which influenced the verdict since one of the plaintiffs died.

So whats to stop other plaintiffs from coming forward, obviously they weren't bothered by it enough to come forward.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Gonzo McFee posted:

lol you dumb as gently caress

If you have a complaint in America you take it through the due legal process. You say someone died so nothing happened. Well it wasn't just 2 people that had issues apparently so where are they? Why is there no current litigation going on?

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

El Gallinero Gros posted:

BALDERDASH!


Because they lost. Unless there is a concrete reason to think a new variation of the complaint would hit paydirt it'd be a waste of money and time.

Okay so what we arguing about then?

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

El Gallinero Gros posted:

The fact that they lost isn't really the whole story. WWE only treats them like independent contractors when it suits them, when doing do inconveniences them, or costs them money, they become very stringent about their policies.

Ask Adrian Neville.

Okay so its been argued against me many times the Indys are super popular so why don't they all go to the indys? We are babysitting grown adults who chose to kiss bosses asses on tv, they made a choice which they apparently didn't mind. Go be an accountant or something then if you don't like it? I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Because WWE freezes their contract and doesn't allow them to leave. They did this with both Daniel Bryan and Neville.

So don't sign a contract you can't agree to? I just cant comprehend all this....are you guys trolling me?

Gonzo McFee posted:

"Why aren't there people getting into lengthy and costly legal battles with a billion dollar company that will drag the case out for as long as they can to the point where they bankrupt the person suing them." is a dumb loving question. There are thousands and thousands of examples of the wealthy using the legal process to gently caress over people even when they're clearly in the wrong. There is literally an industry of lawyers helping the rich to gently caress over the poor. Johnson and Johnson just had to admit that they put asbestos into baby powder but they plan to appeal any court decisions and have done for pay outs in the past because capitalism is loving evil.


Oh god yes capitalisim is keeping wrestlemans down hahahah give me a loving break.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

The Berzerker posted:

I don't know why so many people on SA are afraid to use the ignore list. Hako is a perfect example of why it is useful. There's literally zero reason to engage with someone who is arguing in bad faith 100% of the time. It's the same in SAS.

Anyway, I saw that >1 people voted for the UK Monopoly, and I have to assume that was a fatfinger moment or something. This should absolutely, 100% be a shutout.

I'm being logical please present a debate to my argument.

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Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Baron Corbin posted:

last i checked, having sex involves two people. if those boys "didn't want" to have sex with that old man, then they would have refused. i recently found out that it's illegal to force someone to have sex with you against their will, so those boys would have declined and possibly reported it to the police if they felt uncomfortable.

Yes because we are comparing adults to children here.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Cavauro posted:

Baseball sucks rear end!

The baseball forum seems to have the same dumb opinions as you guys so maybe you should have a group meeting or something.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Charles Gnarwin posted:

That's on the craven funeral industry, not WWE. They needed a set and the funeral home shouldn't have booked them at the time.

This kind of logic isn't appreciated around these parts.

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

STAC Goat posted:

If I remember right Kane eventually confirmed and embraced the fact that he raped a corpse. So HHH was - naturally - totally right and justified. Because WWE.

But yeah, I just watched an interview on Youtube where Lawler addresses calling Goldust a slur and whines that he could never do that now because the world is too PC and everyone has a voice and no one used to ever get offended by anything they did or said (because they didn't have the voice to say they were offended).

So now I kind of want Goldust to win this whole thing.


I think its a matter of perspective. To me GRR is just as bad as Crown Jewel and its what completely burned me on WWE. I've been done since GRR and I don't expect to go back any time soon. Crown Jewel was just the same thing but more public and transparent. And you could argue that's a net good thing or you could argue it makes what WWE did worse because they weren't just quietly ignoring the problems, they were actively refusing to engage.

But its either or. The poo poo is evil and drew a line for me I can't accept rationalizations of.

The American government is feeding the Saudis left and right, so how do you feel about living in America? Maybe you should take your commie rear end to South America.

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Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Seriously what is stopping the event going to do? Stopping out of some sign of "respect" to a dead person is a really silly thought.

*Person dies
**WWE comes out and announces the show will be stopped.
*Everyone stands and slowly claps
*Years later goons talk about how respectful it was for WWE to stop the show (lol) earning them goodwill on the something awful forums.

give me a break.

Hako fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Dec 26, 2018

Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Jackie D posted:

Go away Hako

Once you learn to have logical opinions based in reality.

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Hako
Jul 14, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
^^

Oh no a poster doesn't agree with my silly ideals of how an organization should handle their operations please remove this user so I can enjoy my echo box safe space in peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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