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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
| Total: | 167 votes | ||
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Why is Crown Jewel in the angles category and not the business category? I assume it was a lovely show (I didn't watch it) but the business practices behind it are the main thing everyone has a problem with.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:05
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Gavok posted:Huh. I stand corrected. Somehow I missed this and didn't hear about it until years later. I actually like that promo outside of that line. I always interpreted that as bad improv/line reading on Kurt's part, and that he was talking about wanting to do the filthiest most debaucherous sex acts possible, rather than seeing her personally as an animal. Not that publicly declaring that about a woman makes it much better, mind you. But I don't necessarily think it's something worthy of stacking up against the worst poo poo WWE's ever done.
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Dec 5, 2018 19:32
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Chinston Wurchill posted:She also lost the feud in the long run, and I don't recall her ever once defending herself against their insults, just breaking down in tears every time.
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Dec 6, 2018 01:23
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APA accidentally ending up at a gay bar and starting a bar fight was pretty offensive as well, considering WWE's portrayal of gay men was literally "full bearded dude in a wig wearing a dress and jeans". But considering it's not even remotely in the realm of the most offensive things done to gay people by WWE, I can see why it wouldn't be well remembered. Chris James 2 posted:Was a tough choice for me between Reid and Bearer. Bearer's was more upsetting when it immediately happened
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Dec 7, 2018 22:21
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Drop in the bucket at this point, but another one that could possibly land on one of the angles/kayfabe/on-air category slots for a future tournament: WWE aired a few weeks of hype video packages for Kenzo Suzuki's original gimmick "Hirohito", explaining that a descendent of Emperor Hirohito was coming to WWE to seek revenge on the United States for the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The video packages included footage of Imperial Japanese war propaganda, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and the aftermath of the atomic bombs.
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Dec 9, 2018 09:59
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Angry_Ed posted:Since I couldn't recall whether or not "we didn't know about concussions until 2007" nonsense was part of the Post-Benoit Media Blitz, I went with Developmental abuse, because that's something that just scars up-and-comers for basically no gain. The whole Chris Nowinski thing brought this to light a few years earlier. WWE's working style at the time definitely contributed to Benoit's brain condition, but the damage had been done years before they ever employed him. IIRC the wellness propaganda was WWE's response to the media latching onto the completely bullshit "roid rage" narrative in the Benoit murders, so WWE is kinda-sorta-almost-if-you-squint-really-hard justified for that one. Voted the Demott thing. Trainees for this industry already have it tough, and are in a zero-power position where they can't speak up (unless they were released and didn't care about burning bridges like Judas Devlin). So the relentless abuse/harassment/hazing on top of that is super egregious, especially when they had long been in the midst of an anti-bullying campaign.
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Dec 10, 2018 23:43
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Especially since Rey is pretty religious and so was Eddie. Most tacky Attitude Era angles I can forgive, because exploitative trash TV was absolutely the style of the time and they were just keeping up. Mid 2000s though, it was passé and they knew better.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:31
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Snitsky punting the baby was funny. It also spawned the best cross-brand PPV segment ever from arguably their two worst guys at the time: (heavy breathing) Snitsky: I like your poems. Heidenreich: I like what you do to babies. (grunting, heavy breathing) Snitsky: I'll see you later. (more heavy breathing and grunting)
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Dec 15, 2018 12:45
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Just as a matter of practice throughout the tournament, when it's stuff the McMahons do to each other either backstage or on camera I find it far less offensive because whatever, they all agreed as a family to be scumbags to each other. They didn't have to buy into it; Shane took off for several years. It's when they rope a worker into their scumbag family angles because they're in no position to say no that I have a problem. Stuff like Vince taking advantage of Linda's soap opera coma or saying he "deflowered" Stephanie by passing her around to his colleagues is just the carny McMahons being carny McMahons, but things like Lita is a slut or Trish barking like a dog are way more hosed up to me. If they're up against each other, I'll vote for the latter every time.
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Dec 15, 2018 23:31
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Well it's weird if you think about it - WWE is a uniquely disgusting corporation. It's this perfect storm of already hosed up long-standing industry traditions of covering up horrible poo poo in the name of preserving kayfabe, plus global power and political dealings due to being an entertainment mogul run by a literally insane wealthy person, plus a billion dollar budget that allows these practices to not only go away with hush money but also be extremely litigious if anyone dares call them out. The carnival business has always had shady poo poo going on behind the scenes, but throw billions of dollars at it and give it the legal freedom that only a mega-rich corporation can have, and you just get vile scandal after vile scandal that nobody can ever do anything about. Really, aside from maybe Hollywood and porn (which aren't just one specific corporation), no other industry compares; let alone one specific company.Gonzo McFee posted:Then me and my cousin would totally devils triangle Kate Upton. 
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Dec 16, 2018 21:30
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Akeem was ostensibly a parody of Dusty, so as racist angles go, Virgil was far more egregious. They even expanded on that with Sapphire, when Dibiase "bought" her too.
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Dec 17, 2018 02:49
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Akeem vs Saba Simba would be a fun non-tourney vote.
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Dec 17, 2018 04:35
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MassRafTer posted:Forgot about the ways you could stand up for WWE https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1074524787924443136?s=19 What about Tout
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Dec 17, 2018 07:28
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On the GRR/CJ subject, GRR was an awful cash grab and a stupid idea, but CJ not pulling out and finding another venue after an extremely publicized and horrifying murder ordered by the same people they were doing business with - while publicizing that it was a "difficult decision" (it wasn't) - was something truly evil on their part. I hadn't been watching regularly for about a year or so. I was pretty unhappy about GRR, but CJ still going on was what made me decide to never go back.
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Dec 19, 2018 23:03
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Dave said it in a not so great way, but I get his meaning: main roster basically makes women get nose/boob jobs to make them more attractive to audiences (insert famous Kevin Dunn quote), but Royce didn't need that and it actually made her worse in the ring.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:36
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On one hand, I want to see what a worst person tournament would dredge up in its brackets, but on the other hand, it's so obviously Vince that the whole thing seems unnecessary. also lol at this twitter douche
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Dec 21, 2018 00:19
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Honestly the treatment of women through the entire Divas era could fill a whole tournament.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:58
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Tough one here, but I went with Elizabeth due to the viciousness and real-life implications of it. Playing the 911 call could be an entry itself. That's utterly vile. HLA was tacky as gently caress, but if nothing else in-character for Bischoff's scumbag Raw promoter trying anything he could to top Smackdown, and was about as exploitative as anything else in WWE at the time (or on Spike). That they got injured from it was pretty terrible though. sticklefifer fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Dec 21, 2018 05:50
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I feel like the Owen stuff all could've been rolled into one entry, so I voted B4A. Legit harm to several roster members for no discernable reason (was it even a draw?) including career-ending injury was incredibly stupid and careless, especially for a company who was still deeply rooted in kayfabe at the time. I think their mistake at OTE wasn't continuing the show (common practice in most forms of performance), it was announcing his death on the air at the show to everyone with like an hour left to go and THEN expecting them to continue. The humane thing to do for the sake of their performers was that they easily could've waited to officially announce it or keep the news to a tight circle until it was over. Hedgehog Pie posted:I'm late, but my thought on the beastiality line was always that Angle/Vince meant something like "beastly" sex instead. I'm probably being too kind going off of this tournament.
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Dec 23, 2018 21:25
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The bonkers thing about the trainer abuse is that they used to completely wear it on their sleeve. Remember that Tough Enough when Bob Holly beat the poo poo out of complete rookie Matt Cappotelli for no loving reason? And that was portrayed as "the business"? Now imagine that being systemic, and add rampant sexual harassment to it too. The Trump thing probably wouldn't even be on here if he wasn't such a public figure now.
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Dec 25, 2018 01:36
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Smoking Crow posted:atsushi onita stuck firecrackers up hayabusa and mr gannousuke's buttholes and lit them while they were young boys When was the last time a fed had an "Anus Explosion Deathmatch" where that was the only way to win?
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Dec 25, 2018 02:08
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I don't remember the source for this, but wasn't part of the cover story that they convinced police that Snuka was an *actual* savage who didn't know what he was doing?
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Dec 25, 2018 18:28
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Companies loving with contracts to stifle competition is a larger symptom of lovely corporate tactics worldwide, so it's by no means a WWE exclusive. Still bad, but bad in the sense of "welp, that's capitalism for you". Voted Kanyon because of how blatant and vicious it was. I wish he could've refused that segment. What was even the context of that? Was it part of the DDP stalker angle?
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Dec 26, 2018 19:59
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At least the Mexicools were ostensibly supposed to be satire, but WWE does satire so poorly it tends to loop back to taking it at face value. They were a pretty dope stable regardless. Honoring a guy who famously said "queering don't make the world work" with an annual award trotted out for sick kid sympathy so you're not allowed to criticize it is just ugly, ugly humanity in practice.
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Dec 29, 2018 11:32
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RealFoxy posted:Another reminder for how bad WWE's idea of irony is, when ECW started they intentionally started pushing people like Kevin Thorne and stupid gimmicks like The Zombie and Nacho Libre because "That's what people expected us to do non-ironically so we did it "ironically" STAC Goat posted:I'd call wrestlers like Sasha Banks and MVP borderline. If WWE had more credibility they wouldn't be stereotypes and the wrestlers themselves seem to embrace the gimmicks. But with WWE's history of sticking black wrestlers with stereotypical black gimmicks Sasha and MVP fall comfortably into the majority vs like a Bobby Lashley. I don't know if this is necessarily tournament-worthy, but probably my biggest source of anger & disappointment in WWE over the years has been them forcing the roster to adopt "the "WWE style" where they can't just let their wrestlers be themselves and wrestle a style they're comfortable with, and instead ruin them by making them all generic get-your-poo poo-in entertainers. So much ruined potential in the name of "the product is the draw, not the roster, despite that we'll always try to shove one guy into the spotlight forever". Any one of us could probably list a dozen great wrestlers they've ruined and/or made more boring off the top of our heads.
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Dec 30, 2018 21:55
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MysticalMachineGun posted:It's amazing that despite having her own success outside WWE Trish comes back for special appearances after... that. The thing we have to consider is that she wasn't against it as a performer. At the end of the day they're actors playing scenes and actually want to do what's in the script. We don't see what they went over backstage or how they felt about it. We don't have enough information to declare "Trish clearly didn't want to do this but Vince forced her because she couldn't say no". When we hear of a wrestler burning bridges with WWE, it's almost always about backstage politics and lovely corporate practices. We rarely hear about a part of the show that drove them out, unless it was a last straw on top of many other things. So for me, lovely business wins over lovely TV.
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Jan 4, 2019 01:20
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