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The last time I got laid off they did it on July 1st so they could dodge having to pay me for a holiday. My supervisor was waiting out in the hall when I came out from my exit interview and said he'd be trying to call me back next week because oops, I was the only person that knew anything about one of the ongoing projects. They tried three times to get me to come back, offering: - a month or so of work with the same pay but no benefits - a month or so of work with the same pay and same benefits as before - a month or so of work with... the same pay and no benefits I didn't go back.
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When I got hired at my job the HR person said "At will means you can leave whenever you want and we can fire you whenever we want"
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every single state in the USA is an at-will employment state 14 of those states don't even recognize an implied contract exception quote:Under the implied contract exception, an employer may not fire an employee "when an implied contract is formed between an employer and employee, even though no express, written instrument regarding the employment relationship exists." quote:In 2006, the Texas Court of Civil Appeals in Matagorda County Hospital District v. Burwell[33] held that a provision in an employee handbook stating that dismissal may be for cause, and requiring employee records to specify the reason for termination, did not modify an employee's at-will employment. But morons would have you believe the socialists are secretly running the show and about to take over. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 18:11 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Dec 6, 2018 18:07
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pushpins posted:When I got hired at my job the HR person said "At will means you can leave whenever you want and we can fire you whenever we want" they always say this like 'you being able to leave whenever' is some kind of boon. Like, motherfucker I can leave whenever I want anyway.
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Dec 6, 2018 18:11
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TheDon01 posted:they always say this like 'you being able to leave whenever' is some kind of boon. right lol like what are you gonna do come pick me up for work at gunpoint?
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Dec 6, 2018 18:12
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TheDon01 posted:they always say this like 'you being able to leave whenever' is some kind of boon. i'm always encouraging people in lovely jobs to quit with no notice when they're ready to leave and they always end up giving lots of notice because they want a good reference / don't want to burn bridges or some poo poo we gotta take the little pleasures where we can
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Thin Privilege posted:I got fired for being sick and leaving the workplace in an ambulance and I'm in an at-will state so I can't do anything about it, and an incompetent manager accidentally told me that the more write ups you have (like if you had to miss a day) that means you pretty much won't qualify for unemployment cause they're gonna counter-sue or whatever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePK2Ct10Bo4
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a.p. dent posted:i'm always encouraging people in lovely jobs to quit with no notice when they're ready to leave and they always end up giving lots of notice because they want a good reference / don't want to burn bridges or some poo poo one time i called out sick and just never came back lmao
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Dec 6, 2018 18:32
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you can leave whenever! *you lose any health coverage, a chunk of retirement savings, will get ratfucked on reference, and don't get unemployment even if you left after being scheduled for 0 hours for a month
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Dec 6, 2018 18:32
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most people can't afford to miss a few days of work because they live check to checkMandoric posted:and don't get unemployment even if you left after being scheduled for 0 hours for a month the trick here is to file an unemployment claim before quitting because reduction of hours of this nature will qualify you also
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Dec 6, 2018 18:34
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TheDon01 posted:they always say this like 'you being able to leave whenever' is some kind of boon. Yea in my head I was thinking "Yes slavery is outlawed in America. Happy this company is compliant with that"
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Dec 6, 2018 18:35
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HR reps are the vanguard of the draconian American labor system, they need whatever baubles they can get their hands on to keep their sanity, and delusion that they're not straight evil fucks.
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Dec 6, 2018 18:38
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ShriekingMarxist posted:HR reps are the vanguard of the draconian American labor system, they need whatever baubles they can get their hands on to keep their sanity, and delusion that they're not straight evil fucks. They're one of the better examples you'll run into these days of the banality of evil.
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Dec 6, 2018 18:48
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Postoyevsky posted:file for unemployment OP, you'll probably get denied initially so be prepared to file an appeal Bring a record of you having an ambulance ride from your place of work shortly before being fired for missing work. I’m just glad that I’m class traitor scum that qualified for short term disability and FMLA where I was liked enough by the HR lady that she didn’t screw me over.
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the only protection you have from at will employment is a union contract. hell, the only protections you can rely on at work period are union contracts, op.
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Dec 6, 2018 19:13
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Thin Privilege posted:Problem is that I didn't show up a few times recently cause I've been sick. Obviously I got write ups. So I'm screwed. I don't have doctors notes cause I didn't go to the doctor and was just in bed for the most part except to feed my cats. Nah, I bolded the reason why.
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One of my friends was fired for attending the funeral of her father who died of a heroin overdose.
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Woof Blitzer posted:One of my friends was fired for attending the funeral of her father who died of a heroin overdose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB2_j7c0d70
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Dec 6, 2018 19:16
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Raldikuk posted:Nah, I bolded the reason why. having been done exactly like that in the past, by a similarly inept-yet-connected piece of poo poo golden boy: i can emphatically confirm this
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Postoyevsky posted:the only protection you have from at will employment is a union contract. hell, the only protections you can rely on at work period are union contracts, op. This. Unionize, you idiots.
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Dec 6, 2018 19:52
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HR is cops QTIYDMandoric posted:you can leave whenever! Moridin920 posted:most people can't afford to miss a few days of work because they live check to check Also these
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this wouldn’t have happened if you’d voted for Hillary.
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at-will employment also makes it really hard to enforce anti-discrimination protections "you can be fired for literally any reason at all, except for this short and well-defined list of reasons. also, your employer doesn't have to give you a reason, and the burden is on you to prove it was for a prohibited reason" is a terrible system that only catches anyone at all because managers are often too stupid or incompetent to even hide their bigotry
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Main Paineframe posted:at-will employment also makes it really hard to enforce anti-discrimination protections agreed but I will say filing EEOC lawsuits and ULPs w/r/t firing workers for unionizing are very easy to win. the problem are the penalties/length of time
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Dec 6, 2018 20:33
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Raldikuk posted:Nah, I bolded the reason why. I worked for a huge company a few years ago and, after going private, they laid off about 1/3rd of the workforce, including me. It seemed totally random, like they just picked and chose. Until you realized it was all based on salary. They got rid of anyone who had been around for a long time and anyone (like me) who had changed departments more than once and negotiated a raise every single time. They were left with just the people making the entry level salaries, or a little bit more. I was in the transportation department and the entry level salary was $40k. I made about $50k which put me on the chopping block.
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Hm we cut all of our experienced people and now our service sucks and nothing works, clearly our people arent working hard enough
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Then the C-suite got big bonuses for saving costs and everyone else got poo poo for metrics getting worse.
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StashAugustine posted:Hm we cut all of our experienced people and now our service sucks and nothing works, clearly our people arent working hard enough i swear to god 3/4ths of the business failures i've seen have been this exactly
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Willie Tomg posted:i swear to god 3/4ths of the business failures i've seen have been this exactly I remember like two years ago my store manager talking about how they were under a ton of pressure to grow sales because even though they were rising it wasn't fast enough; now wages are stagnant, everyone burns out except the part time students and the handful of people too depressed to do anything, labor is getting slashed, prices are rising, profits are falling and they're supposed to remodel a bunch of stuff including hilariously unprofitable stores who could have possibly predicted this
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Dec 6, 2018 21:54
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Thin Privilege posted:Really kind of should be illegal to fire someone for being sick... It is, as long as the sickness is due to a disability (eg any underlying health issues, which can be basically anything) or because they regarded you as disabled. If you have any kind of health condition that may have contributed to the getting sick or its severity, or to your need for the ER ride, then there's a chance. More so if anyone at the company knew of your health issues. If it was just bad luck with the flu etc then you're probably out of luck. Postoyevsky posted:agreed but I will say filing EEOC lawsuits and ULPs w/r/t firing workers for unionizing are very easy to win. the problem are the penalties/length of time Discrimination cases, including for disability, are not actually easy to win, but you might be able to get them to agree to a quick settlement if you file a charge, which is free to do. 100% file for unemployment. In some states its laughably easy to get approved. A lot of companies also don't bother contesting it.
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I don't understand how a country that had a war of independence doesn't know how to solve this.
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Death To America
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504 posted:I don't understand how a country that had a war of independence doesn't know how to solve this. the war of independence was declared by slaveowners and fought by peons, my dude
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They tried, it was the whisky rebellion and it got loving crushed
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zegermans posted:fun fact, Montana is the only state that doesn't have at-will employment, for some reason. California is only at will for the first 90 days
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Dec 6, 2018 22:57
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C-Euro posted:HR is cops QTIYD it's called human resources because humans are resources for capitalist overlords to exploit for personal gain
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Dec 6, 2018 23:01
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504 posted:I don't understand how a country that had a war of independence doesn't know how to solve this. total lack of class solidarity, so people who are employed have zero sympathy for those who aren't
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if you vote for Joe Biden this won’t ever happen to you again.
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504 posted:I don't understand how a country that had a war of independence doesn't know how to solve this. We're so fuckin brainwashed with "individualism good, all problems are your fault alone, all collective action bad and CoMmUniSm"
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I don't think medical reasons are covered by at-will so if your boss fired you when you were sick I'd have a law office send a letter or w/e and get some money https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993
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