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basic hitler posted:If someone made a party or coalition built on advancing socialism with a christian core you'd probably have the start of a serious left wing revolution in the united states and probably start making serious loving headway in places liberals write off as lost causes for non-klansmen but seriously if someone comes along who can preach and live it, Christian socialism is a potential key to pushing America left but sadly the extant left can't seemingly do anything but try to one up each other with contempt and sick burns for faith and faithful. The average Russian in 1917 was a hell of a lot more religious than the modern American and somehow the Bolsheviks still got into power by focusing on the real world
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Christianity is probably gonna die a quiet death within the next couple centuries regardless of the economic paradigm and I say that as a lapsed catholic
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Dec 7, 2018 18:19
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basic hitler posted:The christians were trash and everything they did stunted the development of an emulating christ and shouldn't be like, cited as something to emulate in any fashion
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Dec 7, 2018 18:23
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Religious socialism has been tried in America and it doesn't work because people who are more wedded to their religion than material conditions are inherently reactionary hth
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Dec 7, 2018 18:26
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Victory Position posted:you don't really have to, as they aren't really Christian in any form or function, just aesthetic and lip service White right wing evangelicals are the largest religious block in this country. Faith motivates them far more than your average urban Unitarian
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Dec 7, 2018 18:30
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StashAugustine posted:this is some sola fide bullshit Yes Protestantism is the largest form of Christianity in America To the average religious American, Jesus is an imaginary friend who already agrees with you on everything. Since you're relationship with God is entirely personal no one else can convince you what "real" christianity is. Trying to get evangelicals to embrace liberation theology is like trying to debate Ben Shapiro into being a leftist
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Dec 7, 2018 18:39
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Essentially organized religion is inherently reactionary and has to be dragged kicking and screaming into a new paradigm. See the modern history of the Catholic church failing to weasle it's way out of capitalism with distributism. People who are personally religious but don't attend church regularly are the majority of Americans and they don't need to be motivated with religious arguments, when material arguments exist. America is becoming less religious overtime it didn't work for William Jennings Bryan back when religiousity was much higher, so why do you think it would work now? basic hitler posted:Liberal churches tend to eschew fiery or showy rhetoric. Evangelical churches do everything they can to leave an impressoon during worships and sermons Liberal churches are also attended almost exclusively by geriatrics today Things were different in the 60's when the black community only had churches as a place to organize. Nowadays church attendence is on a death spiral. http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/attendance-at-religious-services/ The churches of america are simply not where people are at anymore. Trying to organize around a dying institution is pure romanticism. Moreover the people most sympathetic to Leftism are the ones attending church the least. Why focus on a declining reactionary demographic when you have fertile soil for a stronger base? Also stop acting like "honesty" matters in religion, at the highest practical level there is no "real" Christianity of any sort. For every passage you can point to of Jesus being a crypto communist I can point to five that say slavery is a okay. At the material level it's been a form of societal control since Nicea. Dr Pepper posted:Racism is what motivates right wing "evangelicals"
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I wonder how much the presence of churches in the Civil Rights movement was due to some essential element of faith as much as the fact that churches were one of the few forms of social organization open to black people in the south The latter, African churches were literally the only place black people could congregate and speak freely without provoking a race riot
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