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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Mad about the Media: The Media and Media Criticism Megathread
 
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Ornedan
Nov 4, 2009


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awesmoe posted:

can't really have a productive discussion if you won't shift on your view that the lies were obvious :shrug:
e: like if you really believe they were obviously lies to everyone at the paper then yeah everyone at the nyt is a cackling ghoul sending young men off to die while grabbing bags of money
if you accept that the lies were believable to a scoop-hungry zealot, then it's a massive journalistic failure for miller to trust those particular sources, and a massive editorial failure in giving her the trust to write the story without more vetting. But in this case, they printed it because they thought it was news, even if they were disastrously wrong.
Either way it was an institutional fuckup that the paper's credibility will never recover from (and rightly so).

It absolutely was obvious that USA was lying during the lead-up to the Iraq war. At least from my point of view outside USA.

Did your media not report on the weapons inspectors' results, or how the things your government told in the UN about Iraq were blatant lies?

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Ornedan
Nov 4, 2009


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Tab8715 posted:

I thought it was informative. I wasn't aware of John's Rally but I don't see the harm in inviting O'Riley on the show. Hell, I'm surprised Bill didn't give himself a heart attack.

Giving a person the opportunity to speak in their own voice, even in a comedy show, normalises them as someone whose opinions are at least worth debating. This is dangerous when the opinions are those of a far right demagogue.

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Ornedan
Nov 4, 2009


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For example, BBC's Question Time show just got caught planting Tory activists in the audience and "just happening" to let them ask the questions:
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1104767159329308678

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