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Holy poo poo Helsing you wrote so many words, when I asked you to make this thread I said you didn't have to write me a term paper.  Good job tho! This thread is going to replace the old lovely "Left Wing Media" thread and I think it will be much better.
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Volkerball posted:Re: War Nerd  What the Christ is this?
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Dec 17, 2018 09:23
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karthun posted:Alternative media. Oh is this where Mark Ames writes? I get him confused with Michael Tracey a lot, that's probably insulting to one of them but I'm not sure which one. Probably worth discussing Ben Norton and Max Blumenthal's Moderate Rebels podcast, and I'm sure they'll provoke all kinds of interesting takes. Re: lizard conspiracy man, I'm not sure "I actually believe in lizard people but not in an anti-Semitic way or anything" really... works, as a defense, tbh.
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Dec 17, 2018 09:30
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Leofish posted:What scale of media is this thread aiming to discuss? The larger outfits are, in some cases, doing okay but local orgs, be they newspapers or broadcasters, are cutting back or disappearing. The media concentration is a part of this, of course. As large orgs, like Torstar and Postmedia to cite Canadian examples, swallow up smaller local papers, they either shutter them completely, or fire their journalists and replace the content with their own stuff from their national desk. When I pitched this thread to Helsing as an idea I imagined it would be a place to discuss the media as an institution and metanarrative, inspired by discussion of the Russia investigation in a meta context of it being used for various agendas. But discussing media consolidation and corporate influence on media are germane to this thread imo. It’s a good place to discuss media in general from a critical perspective, whether it’s what they cover or how they’re structured.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:59
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Helsing posted:That's wasn't a rhetorical question, the reason I asked is because I haven't heard much about Icke in years and he totally seems like the kind of person who might have reinvented themselves as an alt-right or Qannon guy. I think if you’re unironically quoting the Protocols even if you sincerely believe in actual lizard people, you’re still spreading propaganda of fascists and should be considered as such.
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Dec 17, 2018 23:24
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selec posted:Buddy this isn’t a Jewish thing so stop making it weird. It’s a navel-gazing coastal elite thing, and a finance capitalism thing. This um, this isn't a good rebuttal given what both of those things are dogwhistles for on the right. But SickZip, noted haver of bad opinions and terrible rapsheet, delivering us the unironic "the NYT is bad because Jews work there" is very on brand. 
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Dec 18, 2018 16:56
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selec posted:How else do you talk about the incestuous bubble of people raised in coastal enclaves, then attended an Ivy, and all work as lanyards of some kind or another? While the idea of coastal elites has had a lot of other meanings wrapped into it by conservatives, like many of their dog whistles, they started by parroting an accurate leftist analysis (all these rich assholes from the coast hire and gently caress each other exclusively) and then adding their bullshit dog whistle to it. I don’t know that ceding the base truth under that is meaningful or useful. The problem is not that there isn't a strong cultural bias towards the rich and powerful or that international capitalist institutions have an immense amount of control over society and the economy, it's that "international finance and the coastal elite" is literally the language of the right in 2018 and you can't escape that. You also can't assume that everyone in this thread is leftist when SickZip just came in with anti-Semitic dogwhistling and that dogwhistle has to be addressed. The framing of the right is insidious precisely for what you said: they adopt the language of the left and redirect it at the vulnerable. International finance and the coastal elite are bad, now let me tell you how the Jews control that herp derp. We're in the midst of a huge resurgence of antisemitism on the right precisely because we're also looking at the death throes of late capitalism, and leftists have to reckon with how fascists steal the rhetoric of the left to spin conspiracy theories about the Other. In the context of media criticism we see media outlets today uncritically regurgitating literal Nazi talking points like "cultural Marxism" and then turning to accuse left-wing leaders like Corbyn of antisemitism because they didn't bend over backwards to legitimize Israeli apartheid against Palestine. Edit: in this vein it's worth noting that the most influential voice on the "respectable right" isn't any of these columnists who are supposedly bad because they're Jewish, it's Jordan "I'm hella Christian" Peterson. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 18:09 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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SickZip posted:I'm not even going to address the weird ritual hygiene about arguments preceding it because it's psychotic beyond understanding but I'm extremely confused at how I'm dogwhistling? Did your powerful mod mind decipher my reference to "upperclass New York Jewish perspective" and determine that it was coded reference to Jews? I put this entire quote into google and this was the first result. https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/philosophy/people/eqandwelfare/map/saul_dogwhistles_political_manipulation_and_philosophy_of_language.pdf Extremely lol.
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Dec 18, 2018 19:14
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https://twitter.com/Nitzky89/status/1041448813775478785 Jimmy Dore is bad lol. (this is a Twitter thread)
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Speaking of Tucker Carlson, Glenn Greenwald is really digging into his support of him, and dragging the Intercept with him: Greenwald you fuckin' idiot. 
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Dec 21, 2018 02:48
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Tab8715 posted:Do I need to listen to the interview? I’m not following... Glenn Greenwald is going to bat for Tucker Carlson's "free speech" because people are trying to boycott companies that place ads on Carlson's show. Carlson is a white nationalist. Greenwald just constantly memes himself on issues related to freedom of speech and it's hilarious but also sad because he should know better.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:57
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Glenn Greenwald is simultaneously an incredibly talented journalist and writer, and a great philanthropist who hooks up homeless people with puppies, and yet also a big old fuckin' idiot, and I know why he is both of these things and yet it is also baffling to me.
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Dec 21, 2018 04:56
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Tab8715 posted:Greenwald's reporting has been going downhill ever since Bush left in '08. His constantly cries of Russiaphobia are complete nonsense. I feel like this isn’t really fair to his entire body of work. Even if you grant that he’s 100% wrong on Russia for example, his reporting on animal abuse and factory farming has been exemplary and he does a good job on Brazil too as far as I can tell as a relatively uninformed outsider.
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Dec 21, 2018 17:37
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Spun Dog posted:Maybe he should stick to that. I mean tbh Greenwald would be one of the unambiguously greatest journalists of our generation if he only wrote about animal abuse and factory farming.
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Dec 21, 2018 18:01
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Tab8715 posted:My current thoughts on him are entirely from his twitter, maybe that's a poor example? Yeah his Twitter is kinda bad tbh. Sometimes it’s good but it’s mostly silly. Spun Dog posted:And didn't narc out whistleblowers. I assume you mean Reality Winner here.
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Dec 21, 2018 18:06
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, free speech fundamentalism is stupid and probably the biggest issue with Greenwald's personal ideology. Nah I think Greenwald is unironically a good journalist and his reporting on factory farming actually deserves awards. We can sit all day and argue about the merits of his Russia reporting but his problem is that he memes himself on his takes as a pundit not that he’s objectively bad at his job, because his investigative reporting is good.
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Dec 21, 2018 18:52
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A debate was brought up in US NEWS we had one time in the thunderdome, about the way RT etc. is perceived as inherently illegitimate propaganda versus the way people will grant the assumption of good faith or at least benefit of the doubt to an outlet like Bloomberg, and I think it’s a discussion worth having here.
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Jan 3, 2019 15:29
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Meliarion posted:You might find this academic report that was done on the press's attitudes towards Jeremy Corbin and the Labour party helpful in understanding why British people might view the press cynically. The way the British press has handled the rise of Corbyn and the left-ward swing of the Labour Party is totally mind-blowing to me, iirc they even went after him for having been in an interracial relationship with Abbot lmao.
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I’m phone posting so I won’t join in on the 1000 word post crew yet but this is incredibly lol, a powerful self-own on Assange’s part.
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