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Holy moly across the spider verse is a great movie. Visually it goes so hard all the time. One of the greatest feats of visual spectacle I have ever seen. The story was also very good. Everything works. It can't be next year fast enough.
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I was very impressed how each spider person really looked like they came from their own universe. Especially Miguel who felt subtly distinct, and Ben who looked so spot on and incredible in every shot. For a joke character constantly mocking that era of the comics, they sure did lovingly nail that art style.
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Jun 3, 2023 20:29
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It's totally OK to not like something a ton of people love, but maybe there are better ways to express that dissonance than trying to convince a group of people who liked it that actually most people hate it. I'm pretty pumped to go and see it again today, this time with friends.
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Jun 4, 2023 15:35
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There's something very compelling to me about the specific, sadistic nature of how Miguel thinks about canon events. Like part of the canon event that is a captain close to Spider-Man dying trying to save a kid, why are those the only details that matter to Miguel? Isn't a crucial element of the event that Spider-Man is trying to save people but fails. How does it maintain the importance of the event if Spider-Man isn't even allowed to try? I feel like the awfulness of this decontextualization is how the next movie will resolve why it's OK for Miles to actually win. It is also so infuriating how Miguel blames Miles for getting bitten by that spider. Miguel basically ignores The Spot, the scientist who actually disrupted things by stealing the spider from a different dimension. It is all Miles fault somehow.
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Jun 5, 2023 01:29
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The opening sequence is astounding. The movie wastes no time in getting down to business and having every moment pull at least triple duty. It's an amazing action set piece. It's an effective prologue to set up the fundamental conflicts for Gwen. It also is cleverly meta. The statue that is cut open to reveal a bunch of smaller versions of the statue is so brilliant in a Spider-Man story that is going to be broken open to reveal a bunch of different Spider-Man stories inside. More of a commentary on what is art, but also still art, indeed.
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Jun 6, 2023 11:47
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Underselling it if anything.
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Jun 7, 2023 03:59
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Miguel's story doesn't add up in some obvious ways. Saving one dudes life could destroy an entire reality, but world 42 not having a Spider-Man at all does not seem to have done anything to it on an existential level. I can't wait for Beyond to spin out what is really going on and resolve things.
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Jun 7, 2023 17:41
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I knew he was going to use the go home machine and be sent to the wrong world pretty early in the chase sequence. It was very well set up and basically inevitable. A viewer could draw the conclusion from any one of a huge number of clues. The movie is very good at having a ton of different stuff going on, but it is all coherent. All works together to support what the movie is doing.
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Jun 8, 2023 00:41
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Sure the soundtrack may not be as iconic, but I would say the score is better.
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Jun 11, 2023 11:49
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I think the reason we see elements of Miguel's Spider-Man-ness questioned is not because he isn't a Spider-Man, but rather because "what makes someone a real Spider-Man?" is a very important theme of the movie. Is Miguel a real Spider-Man if he isn't funny? Is Miles a real Spider-Man if he was never supposed to be bit? Can Pavitir be a real Spider-Man if he doesn't see a cop he likes get crushed by rubble? Do we define our own identity, of does the narrative define it for us? There's an interesting mirror question with the Spot as well. He is defining himself by his relationship to Spider-Man, and that leads to his escalation. I think his defeat will not come from punching, but rather from Miles actively changing their relationship.
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Jun 12, 2023 16:22
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BizarroAzrael posted:In Gwen's prologue, was it Ned Leeds tormenting Peter in the place of Flash? Yes.
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Jun 12, 2023 21:57
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The most tenuous thing to me about Miguel's understanding is that the universe he saw get wiped out was stressed in a seemingly different way than what his theory says is bad. It doesn't seem like he disrupted a canon event. He just lived in a different dimension for a while and then it fell apart. I know this is a story and the way the multiverse works is as a commentary on stories, but interpreting events with a non-narrative lens makes Miguel's working theory seem insane. Alchemax did a big scary physics experiment and it damaged reality. Spider-Mans seem to have a demonstrable special connection. There is a jump between these observations and "dimensional integrity is predicated solely upon Spider-Man life events." The first movie was about how anyone can be Spider-Man. The second is about being Spider-Man doesn't mean being a specific thing. Maybe the third will be about how there is more to the world than just Spider-Man.
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Jun 13, 2023 18:55
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Yeah, I am not criticizing the story for what Miguel believes. Makes a lot of sense. I just think it's interesting to consider how it breaks down, and how the next movie might spin together those inconsistencies into whatever it is going to say about Spider-Man stories.
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Jun 13, 2023 19:38
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People saying it's too long are out of their mind. It goes so hard every single second and it's all good. Maybe the live action cameos outstay their welcome by a few seconds?
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Jun 16, 2023 14:31
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Sure, Luke ends in a position of safety reunited with allies. What about Han?
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Jun 16, 2023 14:50
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There is no one size fits all when it comes to gayification. That is why there are so many Spider-Mans. Every one makes some people gay.
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Jun 22, 2023 13:59
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Beyond the Spiderverse is just Miles and Miles killing all the spidermans, John Wick style.
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Jun 22, 2023 20:24
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What, that's not the cat Spider-Man out of costume?
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Jul 4, 2023 05:04
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This video was a pretty good breakdown on the cool stuff they pull with Hobie.
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Aug 10, 2023 06:07
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But it sucks to take out the "no no no no no" from Gwen when she's running to get Miles out of rubble.
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Aug 12, 2023 05:02
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Gwen did so much wrong and it was great. If she just told Miles about her job, the two of them could have beaten the stuffing out of no spots Spot. Roll credits. But she's spiderman so doing a bad job of balancing her professional and personal life is kind of her thing.
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Aug 13, 2023 14:26
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I'm genuinely curious. What do you think could happen in fifteen minutes that would serve as a cohesive climax for the movie? I feel like the various players hit the end of their arcs well before the end of the movie. (Nah I'mma do my own thing for Miles, the scene with her dad for Gwen, Spot's final menacing line for the spot. ) Then the movie spends significant time establishing what will be the start of the next movie's arcs.
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Sep 6, 2023 17:31
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I do think the live action cameos are the weakest points of the movie, but I don't think they're out and out bad. They do feel a little long, but I wonder if that's at least partially because live action does not read as quickly as animation.
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Oct 1, 2023 15:08
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mycot posted:I got so loving pissed off when the big moment in the Kraven trailer was him putting on the lion vest. Hopefully the moral of the movie is that anyone can wear the vest.
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His Dad was not wrong. Miles is the best of all. He's on his way.
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