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And apparently went right through the Prowler's armor, for whatever good that did, but hey. BTAS really wrote the book on how to work around network censorship and ratings boards.
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Dec 19, 2018 16:08
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I'm still disappointed we didn't get a tease of Japanese Spider-man, the one with the giant robot.
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mmmmalo posted:I think they tried to circumvent this by having Miles spray-paint a red spidersuit black instead of using the black suit that was already there? As a way to show him making the role his own, or something... doesn't really contradict your point, but within a focus on 'expectations' it seems like another gesture towards the stuff above. Like the mod-suit becomes a gesture towards not resenting that his personal(ized) success aligns with his dad's/the audience's expectations...? Might be less about a product more about a legacy; that Miles is acknowledging he's following in another's footsteps, and goes from using a cheap imitation that was all he could get to getting the real thing and putting his own twist on it. Also I liked the visualisation of the multiverse as a spider-web.
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Dec 23, 2018 10:24
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Badablack posted:Imagine being a kid and getting all excited watching this movie with the spider people, then wanting to find the comic book it’s based on to read about all the adventures of these cool heroes. Luckily, nobody reads comics anymore. They've been aggressively chasing off readers since the 90s.
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Dec 24, 2018 05:19
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I figure toku Spider-man with Leopardon goes without saying.
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Dec 26, 2018 14:00
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Noir Spider-man did have moments of possibly being the spaciest of the lot. I feel they could have done something with him being the second oldest of the spider-folks and obviously toning down his act and probably his language while the kids are around. Though the movie's stuffed full as it is. I do like that it's Spider-ham who specifically tells Miles that he's going to fail at points and people are gonna die, that tragedy and loss are some of the most inherent aspects of what being a spider-person means. Even the literal cartoon character isn't immune to that.
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Dec 29, 2018 06:55
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Skippy McPants posted:Movie is full of good dads. Jefferson, Aaron, and Peter are all pretty messed up in their own way but they're also all good dads to Miles. Yay for dads. Even the other Peter made a good first impression on Miles in the little time he turned out to have. I always felt that Peter being raised by his uncle and aunt- and losing one- in what's otherwise shown to be a completely loving and generally healthy relationship shows how precious a loving family is and also how fragile it can be. Peter's already an orphan not by tragic backstory but mere tragic fact of life, all before he starts dealing with superpowers from a science experiment and losing his uncle to a murder he could have prevented. Bad luck haunts his life (they call it Parker Luck for a reason) and bouncing back from failure, tragedy and tragic failure becomes a defining aspect of every spider-person's life.
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Dec 29, 2018 16:02
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The Spider-Totems are great because they're basically the in-universe representation of the required association of Spider-man equivalents with the spider motif even when adaptations are able to otherwise diverge wildly from the source material as long as a few recognisable elements are in play.
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Dec 31, 2018 15:40
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Miles also spends much of the movie learning to control his invisibility too. (and it seems to be a VERY good power, given Prowler couldn't see him literally right in front of his face, and with a infrared visor iirc) Miles seems to definitely lend himself to being most effective when cornered, with a nasty fight-or-flight response. His creativity lends itself to being Spider-man through figuring out his powers and strategies on the fly, and in the end making a statement out of hanging up a captured Kingpin. (It doesn't come up much, but Spider-man relies on intimidation and trickery as much as Batman; he's a goofball from the audience perspective, but from his foes' perspective he's an unpredictable, inhuman... thing that doesn't adhere to remotely human limitations and spends rather little time on the floor) The secondary trio show that a spider-hero can be of any age, any era, and any form. Penni is younger and having to adapt to hand-me-down abilities that are even less intuitive than the usual spider-power package given they're technological in nature, Spider-noir is from an even rougher era and dealing with credibly dangerous and deadly enemies (freakin Nazis and all) and Peter Porker seems like this might not even be his first interdimensional crossover rodeo.
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Jan 1, 2019 06:16
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It really is a nice touch that his learning experience hasn't really ended yet, and likely it never really will.
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ungulateman posted:i'm fairly sure 'a whole bunch of ps3s plugged into each other' is a real-life thing people who can't afford real supercomputers do for a cheaper alternative, but yes For a while it was super common since the PS3 had crazy UFO tech processing power for its time (which made it a pita to develop for) and originally could have Linux installed on it.
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Jan 2, 2019 09:23
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Being caught between different worlds is probably a super common experience for young people these days.
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Jan 5, 2019 10:34
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FilthyImp posted:I know it's trolling/socratic gadflying, but there was a similar line of thought being thrown about in the Black Panther thread and... yeah it's starting to get uncomfortable. I think the usual argument is that the movie is basically Strong Female Protagonist style *SEXISM IS OVER* except with black people. But frankly it's far better than nothing and not like most people are really going to internalise the more questionable parts of the message that the rest of pop culture and Marvel movies in particular are already putting out anyway. Not sure how you'd do a socialist superhero movie. Except maybe Wonderful 101.
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Jan 6, 2019 08:00
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It's a bit tricky given Otto Octavius is usually a schlubby middle-aged guy who tends to be short but heavyset, while Liv is in much better shape and more hyperactive and wiry. There's a good chance Liv was Peter's teacher at some point. (it's mentioned that he was a grad student. Which of course Peter Parker is)
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Jan 7, 2019 07:36
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Venom's a lot like Ghost Rider where it's mostly carried by the lead being a good hammy actor with cool powers and good effects.
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Jan 8, 2019 15:53
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He had a very cat-like movement to him, I thought. More Black Panther than Black Panther. Of all of the stock Spider-villains Kingpin had working for him with little fanfare, Prowler actually managed to stand out as the no-nonsense one. (and also implies that Miles' invisibility is very, very good) And the adrenaline junkie point does bring up that Spider-man has almost always been portrayed as simply enjoying being Spider-man and being a superhero, despite life making it incredibly hard on him a lot of the time. Which is probably just as well, if they didn't enjoy it they'd go crazy from the stress and terror.
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Jan 10, 2019 06:50
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Prowler is pulled off pretty amazingly well especially for a villain that's a relative newcomer to the spider-mythos and doesn't have an immediately clear gimmick or motif. I thought he had a bit of a cat thing going on, though that might be vague. He reminded me a bit of a far less comedy version of the CG TMNT cartoon's Bebop. That said, Spidey and the TMNT would definitely get along.
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Jan 14, 2019 05:14
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:In terms of pop-culture penetration, I think the claim still stands. The dune buggy is better known outside of people who read comics, probably. And I'm pretty sure the incarnation of the character that's Miles' uncle is new. D-list villains get completely reinvented pretty often. And Spider-man has a LOT of D-list villains that nobody remembers until an adaptation or a really good run reinvents them in an interesting way. If they brought back Humbug most people would consider a version of the character anyone cared about to be new.
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Jan 14, 2019 06:50
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I figure it's more a knee-jerk assumption; Jefferson finds his brother dead in a supervillain costume during a super powered brawl and black suited Spider-man who he considers a dangerous vigilante right next to him. After some time to cool off and possibly an autopsy, he can rethink his assumptions. Another theory: it's easy to forget that most spider folks have spider sense even when it's not explicitly indicated to the audience. Much like another recent movie Peter Parker, Prime Peter probably had his going off like crazy...
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Jan 15, 2019 08:02
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It was implied to be around Christmas with the song and snow in the forest scenes, but they didn't dwell on it.
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Jan 18, 2019 18:35
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Probably doesn't hurt/help that 'I worked at Pixar' is likely an instant ticket to anywhere else in animation. Reminded of Adventure Time which suffered some brain drawn because half the main people on it got their own shows.
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Feb 19, 2019 06:24
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ThermoPhysical posted:I got my source from some lovely website my roommate linked me to. I'm suspect of it so I won't link it here as I think it's just some angry fanboy or altright or whatever trying to sabotage the movie because he hates Star Wars. I went back to reread the post and it's super lovely so, apologizes for spreading that garbage. This is what happens when every new piece of media has to erase all previous progress and be the groundbreaking first for comic book movies with a female/black main character, it means every failure must indict the entire concept, which obviously has never been tried before.
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Feb 19, 2019 09:27
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It's basically Spider-man being a bit Batman. Always thought they'd probably get along.
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Mar 1, 2019 10:18
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It sounds like it relates extremely well to the condition of modern young people being told they're gifted and have so much potential to the point where it just comes off as pressure, and the inevitable wall they hit when they actually have to do something difficult because no one thought to prepare them for failure.
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Mar 2, 2019 14:13
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I bet they could fill bonus features with Peter Porker jokes.
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Mar 7, 2019 13:24
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I think the point is that in every universe where the Kingpin is the Kingpin in any sense that matters, he ends up driving away his family sooner or later. Also, Peter Porker is striding the rather thin line between Spider-man and Deadpool.
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Mar 12, 2019 06:02
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There's quite a lot of pink in those pages. And I presume that Daily Beagle employee is a cat that is supposed to be very 'cool'.
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Mar 13, 2019 13:11
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Kinda cute that Peter Porker basically adopts Aunt May. I've always felt that Peter being raised by his aunt and uncle who are for all intents and purposes his parents highlights the preciousness of his family bond, that they've taken him in as their own unquestioningly and he has that tight a bond without direct connections of blood.
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Mar 15, 2019 13:35
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I didn't recognise Tombstone and wondered what Solomon Grundy was doing here.
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May 4, 2019 09:50
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I can easily imagine getting overwhelmed by this movie, sounds right.
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May 7, 2019 05:32
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I miss 90s shows where the heroes were resistance groups in a world ruled by a childish supervillain and the cops were evil robots.
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May 18, 2019 06:08
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Kinda glad that the trend of love interests going from total strangers to smooching within the runtime of a movie seems to be fading out in general, if only because they gotta save something for the sequel.
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May 22, 2019 11:46
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Prowler struck me as feline themed from the start for some reason.
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Jun 29, 2019 17:50
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Back when comics were allowed to be fun and be funny. I hope they got into Porker's universe at some point and there's Space Jam jokes. And at least that Miles incorporates the cartoon mallet into his fighting style.
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Jun 30, 2019 03:12
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I was just wondering what Solomon Grundy is doing there.
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Jul 2, 2019 23:30
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Iirc Parker Prime is meant to be one of the best possible versions of Peter as in most successful and basically Batman esque. Contrasts a lot with down on his luck Peter B Parker.
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Jul 3, 2019 01:30
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Spider-Ham also implies it's not his first experience with alternate dimensions. Of course, being explicitly a cartoon character, it's also quite possible that he's aware of the fourth wall.
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Jul 3, 2019 12:30
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Kind of the point is that none of them are 616 Spider-man, I'd think. Of course, I think Peter B is deliberately invoking Raimi verse Spider-man. Timelines is an interesting issue- as Peter B's reality is implied to be close enough to Miles' that the changes are just billboards and brand names, but Peter B is much older than Peter A, who's mentioned to be a grad student. Of course, the alternates include a Peter Parker who's a young man in the 30s, and a couple from distant futures, with the clear implication that the alternate dimensions can be in different places in time as well as space, or the same time where things unfolded earlier or later. ...funny thing is that this plot has basically been done before in Turtles Forever, which has different versions of the TMNT meet each other and note each others' clear differences but ultimately accept each other as being equally valid.
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A lot of Spider-man villains evoke animals and I think Doc Ock has been a prominent one specifically because they also evoke a dangerous eight-armed creature with varied and unexpected abilities. Liv's design seems meant to evoke an octopus, having big hair like an octopus' head (see also Splatoon 2 having one of the hairstyles for male Octolings be an afro) and glasses that look like big bulging eyes. The transparent rubber tentacles are definitely meant to be uncomfortably organic compared to the metal ones (Though Spider-Man 2 definitely did a good job making the tentacles menacing and almost characters of their own) and invoke more strangulation and suffocation than crushing or impalement, just like how a real octopus catches its prey. When playing up Doc Ock as a counterpart to Peter, they usually play up then scientific aspect, especially with how he's an idol for Peter in Spider-man 2 and that bit in the comics where Otto Octavius briefly took over Peter Parker's body and set up a successful science business. Both of them are super-powered individuals with a knack for science that helps them figure out problems, but Doc Ock doesn't have a conscience or much sense.Also definitely being played as a prominent villain, an equal to Kingpin in her own way rather than just another superpowered thug working for him. (Green Goblin seems to be just another one of those, but hard to tell with his appearance. Norman Osborn is usually played as a major villain since he's basically Lex Luthor and also the Joker)
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