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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


forkboy84 posted:

So Thai police operates exactly like an organised crime family, that's dope.

the main competing mafias in thailand are the police, the military, thaksin shinawatra, the yakuza, and the royal family

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Dreddout posted:

Lol this is juche poo poo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-nQ_mIPOhI

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the main competing mafias in thailand are the police, the military, thaksin shinawatra, the yakuza, and the royal family

The Chinese Triads aren't one of the major ones. Mission Accomplished :colbert:

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the main competing mafias in thailand are the police, the military, thaksin shinawatra, the yakuza, and the royal family

you forgot the russians

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the main competing mafias in thailand are the police, the military, thaksin shinawatra, the yakuza, and the royal family

Exactly how much of a crook is Thaksin?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the main competing mafias in thailand are the police, the military, thaksin shinawatra, the yakuza, and the royal family

capitalism is gangsterism lol

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
are Thais generally that mentally cucked about monarchy or would smashing lese majeste and the power of the royalists bring out a lot of 'always hated those guys' sentiment

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

mila kunis posted:

are Thais generally that mentally cucked about monarchy or would smashing lese majeste and the power of the royalists bring out a lot of 'always hated those guys' sentiment

p sure the way the lese majeste laws work and are enforced means this is an impossible question to answer accurately (beyond a not-particularly-helpful "both of course")

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




:thumbsup:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
look if they didn't want to be dissolved then maybe they should have followed the law

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

lmao this thread ftw

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

lol

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

the main competing mafias in thailand are the police, the military, thaksin shinawatra, the yakuza, and the royal family
what is this a deus ex game

okay rhetorical question

the real question is which mafia do i pick

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

what is this a deus ex game

okay rhetorical question

the real question is which mafia do i pick

thaksin indirectly helps the poor and makes the rest of them angry so prob thaksin

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://archive.fo/q3SqR

quote:

With five weeks to a general election, Thailand’s political climate is bad and likely to get worse.

Below the surface of the shocking prime ministerial bid earlier this month by the Thai king’s sister is a swirl of political groupings jostling ahead of March’s crucial poll. Its outcome will either see military rule continue via the country’s parliament, or democracy reassert itself with victory by anti-junta parties.

Investors in Thai assets have long been attuned to political turmoil — share prices took less than a month to recover after protesters lit the stock exchange on fire amid 2010 riots — and this is fortunate because, far from resolving political uncertainty, the March 24 election may trigger fresh upheaval.

The king blocked the brash nomination of Ubolratana Rajakanya Sirivadhana Barnavadi by the anti-junta Thai Raksa Chart party, which now faces a dissolution that would derail the election strategy of Pheu Thai, the leading party in the main opposition alliance.

But it is the pro-military parties that face likely defeat in the poll. FT Confidential Research’s latest survey of 1,000 urban Thai consumers found just 9 per cent of respondents saying they intend to vote for Phalang Pracharat, which has chosen coup leader and current prime minister Prayuth Chan-ocha as its sole premiership candidate, or one of its allied parties. Among respondents 35 or younger, support for the military candidate falls to just 5.2 per cent.



If the pro-junta faction cannot take the lower house, only two fraught paths are likely to remain to keep control of the government. One would be an unstable alliance with the Democrat party, which opposes the junta but also Pheu Thai, the party backed by exiled former prime minister and businessman Thaksin Shinawatra. Pheu Thai won the 2011 election and governed until the May 2014 coup.

Far more controversially, it could use the junta-appointed senate to block the prime minister chosen by the lower house, risking igniting major protest.

Pheu Thai, and affiliates including Thai Raksa Chart, remained the preferred party for 24 per cent of our respondents, slipping only 4 percentage points versus 2011.

Historically the main rival to Thaksin-backed parties, the Democrat party officially opposes the military government but its leadership appears to be split over whether to support Mr Prayuth’s candidacy.

Importantly, the upstart Future Forward Party came out ahead of Phalang Pracharat with 11 per cent of responses, and could tip the scales. The party, whose support is overwhelmingly among younger voters, vociferously opposes the junta and is expected to form a loose alliance with Pheu Thai if this helps block Phalang Pracharat.

Collapse in political sentiment

Our survey also showed a collapse in political sentiment among Thai consumers. A full 60 per cent of respondents rated the political situation negatively, versus just 11 per cent who viewed it positively. The gap is by far the biggest since the inception of this question in 2015.



The forward-looking FTCR Political Sentiment Index slipped back into pessimistic territory at 47.9, meaning that slightly more respondents expect this already negative political climate to worsen in the next six months — when the election will be held — than believe it will improve.

The weak economy is also no help, with many Thais quick to blame the government for the underperformance. Thailand’s political sentiment reading strongly correlates with our economic sentiment gauge, which also fell this quarter.
Thaksin’s royal flush turns royal farce

On February 13, the Election Commission recommended that Thai Raksa Chart be banned for its royal blunder, with a final decision by the Constitutional Court expected soon.

Thai Raksa Chart fielded candidates to get around the military junta’s electoral rules, which are widely seen as damaging to Pheu Thai. The loss of Thai Raksa Chart would narrow Pheu Thai’s path to take the lower house, but it is still running in plenty of races nationwide.

A strong performance by Future Forward at the polls could present another path to an anti-junta coalition government. This looks increasingly possible as the upstart party gains popularity.

A high-level Democrat party source told FTCR that an alliance of convenience between the Democrats and Pheu Thai could also be on the cards.

The 2014 military coup was welcomed inasmuch as it brought a semblance of calm to Thailand after months of anti-government protest. But the junta has overstayed that welcome, and next month’s election risks a return to chaos
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To many in the anti-junta camp, the ban of a pro-Thaksin party would appear politically motivated and could ignite an already flammable post-election scenario — especially when the questionable legality of Mr Prayuth’s own candidacy has been swept under the rug.

Pheu Thai supporters already have grounds to cry foul over a rigged election process. The 2017 constitution, approved by the junta’s rubber-stamp parliament, changed voting rules and constituency boundaries in ways that disadvantage Pheu Thai. More importantly, the junta will appoint the entire 250-member senate, which will now vote alongside the lower house to appoint a prime minister.

Amid the political chaos in the wake of the king’s interdiction, rumours began to fly of another coup, or would it be a counter-coup? These have so far been unsubstantiated, but Thai politics has rarely if ever been more uncertain.


Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 05:47 on Feb 23, 2019

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


the "other parties" are basically small regional parties controlled by local corrupt political machines, and will go along with whatever big parties win as long as they get their payoffs

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
i assume Future Forward is the party by the auto parts guy

thanks for the thread and the reference OP, Yang

i can only assume a Thaksin-Future Forward coalition would be accepted by the military and everything would go fine from there

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
The leader of Future Forward is almost certainly going to get bodied by the government in the next few days. The police have recommended that he be charged with cyber crimes for uplaoding a video to Facebook where he gives a speech that's critical of the military junta.

Really.

quote:

Police said on Wednesday said they were seeking the prosecution of the leader of the new political party Future Forward over a speech he made that was posted on Facebook last June criticising the ruling junta, the National Council for Peace and Order.

The legal action against Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit, 40, and two senior colleagues in the Future Forward Party, which has attracted the support of young voters, adds to concern that the military is determined to retain its hold on power after the March 24 election.

"We will send both the case for prosecution and the suspects to the attorney-general," said Pol Lt Col Krit Seneewong Na Ayutthaya, an investigator on the case from the Technology Crime Suppression Division.


Mr Thanathorn and two Anakhot Mai Party executive members face five years in prison under the Computer Crime Act for "uploading false information" in a speech posted on Facebook in June last year.

A conviction would automatically disqualify all three from the political scene.

Pol Lt Col Krit said the case would be referred next week to state prosecutors, who will decide whether to take it to court.

The party denied the charge, saying the points made in the speech were public information.

"It's obvious that as the election approaches, the case is being rushed ahead ... We're ready to face whatever challenge comes our way," Mr Thanathorn told reporters at a rally in Bangkok on Wednesday.

Mr Thanathorn launched his party last year, promoting it as an alternative to Thailand's polarised politics, which has for years pitted loyalists of ousted ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra against establishment parties supporting the military-royalist elite.

Mr Thanathorn has been critical of military rule, recently pledging to prosecute coup-makers and amend the new constitution.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Helen Highwater posted:

The leader of Future Forward is almost certainly going to get bodied by the government in the next few days. The police have recommended that he be charged with cyber crimes for uplaoding a video to Facebook where he gives a speech that's critical of the military junta.

Really.

idk why they even bothered doing elections. all theyre doing is making the inevitable protests worse, especially if they piss off the young which have rallied around thanathorn. should have just kept on delaying them.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
The Association for the Protection of the Constitution who are an activist group and definitely not an astroturfed pro-military group have called on the constitutional court to dissolve the Future Forward party.

As the CC is directly appointed by the king, and there's nothing that they love more than slapping down pro-Shinawatra parties, I expect this to go ahead.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

idk why they even bothered doing elections. all theyre doing is making the inevitable protests worse, especially if they piss off the young which have rallied around thanathorn. should have just kept on delaying them.

maybe they thought they'd win handily and are now getting nervous

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

GreyjoyBastard posted:

maybe they thought they'd win handily and are now getting nervous

I'd say they couldn't possibly have been that stupid but that article sjy linked suggests otherwise

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


BANGKOK: Young people line up to take selfies with him. His hashtags are trending. And when billionaire Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit promises an end to Thailand's military "dictatorship", supporters of his Future Forward Party roar their approval.

The 40-year-old heir to an auto parts fortune is a political newcomer and social media star who has energised young voters ahead of Mar 24 elections, the first since a coup in 2014.

"I urge our 'Futuristas' to campaign against the future in which the junta leader comes back as a prime minister," Thanathorn said at a rally on Saturday.

His message has drawn the attention of police, who want to prosecute him under the Computer Crime Act for criticising the military government in a Facebook video in June. If found guilty of uploading false information, he could face up to five years in prison.

He denies wrongdoing, and will meet on Wednesday with prosecutors who will decide whether to take the case to court.

Thanathorn also faces a lobbyist's petition asking the Election Commission to disqualify him as a candidate.

These moves, he said, are a sign that his left-wing party is worrying those who want to see the military retain broad power.

"It's fear. Nobody thought we'd come this far. This is dictatorship's last struggle for life," he said.

Posts shared on social media have cast him as anti-royalist, a serious accusation in a country where criticism of the king is against the law. Thanathorn calls it a smear campaign.

"It's clear we'll be playing a significant role after the election. The only way to undermine us is to destroy our credibility by means of law, fake news and hate speech," he said.

NEW POLITICS?

He promises a new kind of politics to heal the divisions of the past 15 years and reduce the role of the military. The challenge for Thanathorn - nicknamed "Daddy" on social media - will be to turn his online popularity into votes.

The election is broadly seen as a race between the military-backed royalist prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha, and supporters of exiled former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who was overthrown in a 2006 coup.

Parties loyal to Thaksin have won every election since 2001, but after he was ousted, successive governments have been removed by courts or coups, most recently in the 2014 military takeover.

:siren:Thai opinion polls can be unreliable, but a Feb 20 to 23 survey showed Future Forward topping a list of favoured parties with 37.8 per cent support, compared to 7.5 per cent a month ago.:siren:

The February poll conducted by Bansomdej University surveyed 1,152 people in Bangkok, with a three percent margin of error.

Other polls had Future Forward's support at below 10 per cent and lagging the pro-Thaksin Pheu Thai party or the Palang Pracharat party, with junta leader Prayuth as its candidate.

#FAHLOVESDADDY

A former student activist, Thanathorn took over his late father's Thai Summit Group at age 23. Before entering politics, he was known for running ultra-marathons in the Arctic and Sahara, and trekking in Morocco's Atlas Mountains.

He has been embraced by social-media savvy youth, many of them politicised in a way rarely seen since state forces crushed student pro-democracy movements in the 1970s.

About 14 per cent of the electorate, or 7 million people, are eligible to vote for the first time next month.

They have lived through Thailand's "colour wars", with anti-Thaksin Yellow Shirt protesters and the ex-premier's loyalist Red Shirts alternatively paralysing Bangkok for weeks at a time.

Last week, "#SaveThanathorn" topped Thai-language Twitter after police said they would prosecute him for cyber crimes.

Another hashtag, "#FahLovesDaddy", had fans jokingly comparing the candidate to a soap opera character "Daddy", a charismatic businessman pursued by a female protagonist, Fah.

He tweeted back "#DaddyAsksFah" to urge supporters to vote.

"He's speaking the same language as the new generation, in terms of mindset, world view, perception," said political scientist Titipol Phakdeewanich of Ubon Ratchathani University.

"GAME OVER FOR DEMOCRACY"

Thanathorn said he was confident his party could send at least 70 members to the 500-member House of Representatives.

That could be enough to influence a coalition against military rule, analysts said, even if his candidacy is in doubt.

On Monday, a lobbyist petitioned election officials to disqualify Thanathorn, alleging he had misled voters in a party biography that described him as chairman of the Federation of Thai Industries, when he in fact had led a provincial chapter.

Thanathorn said the "technical error" was corrected.

Another pro-Thaksin party, Thai Raksa Chart, faces possible dissolution after it nominated the king's sister, Princess Ubolratana, as its candidate for prime minister.

"With one month left, who knows what magic tricks the junta still has up their sleeves?" Thanathorn said. "If the junta manages to destroy both Thai Raksa Chart and Future Forward, it's game over for democracy".


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thailand-s-rising-political-star-under-fire-as-election-nears-11290658

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1101069936112353280

oh also the junta backed down from kicking out thanathorn
https://twitter.com/HathaiPia/status/1100597751673311232

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
So if he wins it'll be an immediate coup?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1104360110057549825

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



lmao

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Zack de la chan-ocha

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1109814999503912962

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




lol the pro-junta party is in the lead now. thaksins party did quite bad, future forward did pretty good.



lol prayuth isnt going anywhere

Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 15:45 on Mar 24, 2019

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
So the Democrats all ended up voting for the junta?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
how bad was the disenfranchisement

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

i vote for the king because if you don't you'll probably be killed lol

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Norton the First posted:

So the Democrats all ended up voting for the junta?

From what I can tell most of the junta's gains came from future forwards, who collapsed by like 12 points.

this does of course assume everything with the election is on the level

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
1.7 million voided votes apparently

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Agean90 posted:

From what I can tell most of the junta's gains came from future forwards, who collapsed by like 12 points.

this does of course assume everything with the election is on the level

the % for the various voting blocs are actually pretty stable.

future forward + pheu thai, both anti-junta, combined got about 46% of the vote. in the last real election (2011) pheu thai got about 48%.

the junta's party got about 28%, with the democrats making that about 39% - in 2011 the Democrats got about 35%.

Basically the right did slightly better in this election, just both sides were divided by more parties, which mainly damaged Pheu Thai. a plurality has gone to the opposition, but that won't be enough to overcome the military's constitution unfortunately.

who knows how many votes the military bought or stuffed though.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
Under the new constitution, there are 250 senators and 500 members of the lower house. 350 of the 500 lower house seats are voted for directly, and the remaining 150 are dished out between the parties according to national vote percentages. All 250 senators are appointed by the junta though. The PM is appointed by a majority of the whole of parliament - so the junta need only 126 seats in the lower house to reinstall Chan-O-Cha, while the opposition need 376 seats, and to all vote for the same candidate.

All that is pretty irrelevant though, as there is no parliament building for the new government to meet in and make those votes. The old parliament building was reabsorbed in the royal household after the last coup, and the replacement building isn't ready for another year.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Helen Highwater posted:

All that is pretty irrelevant though, as there is no parliament building for the new government to meet in and make those votes. The old parliament building was reabsorbed in the royal household after the last coup, and the replacement building isn't ready for another year.

lmfao

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

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