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frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Helen Highwater posted:

All that is pretty irrelevant though, as there is no parliament building for the new government to meet in and make those votes. The old parliament building was reabsorbed in the royal household after the last coup, and the replacement building isn't ready for another year.
Well, that's one way to derail democracy.

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47702524

thaksin is basically accusing the military of rigging the election

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
He's not wrong.

Before the election, the country was redistricted. Originally there were 400 constituency seats, after the redistricting, there were 350. These were supposed to be redrawn according to non-partisan criteria but the junta invoked article 44 of the constitution (which basically says that the junta can invoke privilege to do anything it wants and that this is 'lawful, constitutional, and final') to tell the electoral commission to ignore those rules and redistrict however they liked - which miraculously happened to benefit the Palang Pracharat Party.

In addition there were many, many instances of outright corruption, official vote tampering and other problems.

quote:

In a statement released yesterday, the People Network for Elections in Thailand (P-Net) said vote-buying was prevalent in many areas of the country, especially the North, Northeast and Central regions. This apparently happened a few nights before the ballot.
[...]

P-Net also noted that unlike in previous polls, Sunday’s election had no volunteer observers at polling stations, which it said made it easy for possible fraud. “In many cases, it was found that state authorities were trying to influence voters,” it said.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


thaksin made the times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/opinion/thaksin-shinawatra-the-election-in-thailand-was-rigged.html

quote:

Thaksin Shinawatra: The Election in Thailand Was Rigged
The junta is ready to destroy an entire system just to stay in power.

By Thaksin Shinawatra

HONG KONG — I knew that the junta running Thailand wanted to stay in power, but I cannot believe how far it has gone to manipulate the general election on Sunday. I’m surprised, even going by the standards set by this government, and I don’t think I’m the only Thai to be.

The election commission stopped releasing results on Sunday night and announced that it would postpone delivering them until Monday afternoon. The numbers that were disclosed kept changing. As of Monday evening, as I was writing this, official preliminary results had yet to be disclosed. I don’t think there has ever been such a delay in Thailand’s modern history. The junta clearly is afraid.

In some areas, the number of ballots seemed to exceed the number of voters. In others, voter turnout was reported to be 200 percent. The national election commission issued results for some constituencies that didn’t match those reported by officials at the polling stations. A suspiciously large number of ballots were invalidated. There also were reports that some ballots, although marked improperly, were counted as votes for Palang Pracharat, the military’s proxy party.

The election commission has the authority to issue penalties known as red cards to candidates for wrongdoing. It deserves one itself.

Some of these errors were subsequently corrected, but knowing how the junta operates, it’s impossible not to suspect serious interference.

The junta appointed the election commission and has interfered with the work of what are supposed to be independent agencies and institutions. It wrote a new, very tricky and self-serving Constitution. Thailand can’t seem to change its outdated criminal laws or even car-registration regulations, but it rewrites its Constitution often.

Election rules were revised to weaken large parties. Double standards were applied when it came to determining who could run for the position of prime minister or who counts as a “state official.” Political opponents have been treated as enemies.

Whether or not the junta’s leaders now allow the pro-democracy parties to form a government, they will find a way to stay in charge. They have no shame, and they want to be in power no matter what. Their next move will probably be to lure away, by any means possible, members of Parliament from smaller parties. This has been a very expensive election.

Will pro-democracy parties be dissolved? Who knows? The junta’s leaders can do anything they want. When the chairman of the election commission was asked about results Sunday night, he said he couldn’t answer because he didn’t have a calculator with him. I assume he was being sarcastic, but it seemed clear that he had to stop — was he instructed to stop? — releasing the returns.

Palang Pracharat may be able to select the next prime minister without controlling a majority in the House of Representatives. But without a majority, the party will be heading a very unstable government.

None of what I am saying is about one party or another winning or losing. It’s about Thailand not losing. People in office are supposed to come and go while the system remains. This military government is ready to destroy the system simply to keep its people in power.

Yet if neither the rules of the game nor the referees are fair, the outcome will not be respected by Thai people or internationally. Thailand’s economy is weak, and in need of foreign investment, as a result of the junta’s mismanagement. The world economy will soon face headwinds. How can this government be trusted to handle that challenge?

More than anything, Thailand should have a government that reflects the will of the people, not the will of the junta. This is a terrible, and sad, moment for my country.

my guess is hes going to try and push a revival of red shirt protests if the pro-junta parties manage to form a coalition

im surprised how directly vocal he is being about this as well. hes been pretty hands off for a long time.

Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Mar 27, 2019

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

is there anything bad about thanathorn aside from that he’s rich? because he seems p awesome to me in comparison to all the other jokers

also thaksin is corrupt just like huey long was corrupt, doesn’t mean his policies are wrong. hell he pushed through UHC which is more than you can say for any American politician

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Gail Wynand posted:

is there anything bad about thanathorn aside from that he’s rich? because he seems p awesome to me in comparison to all the other jokers

also thaksin is corrupt just like huey long was corrupt, doesn’t mean his policies are wrong. hell he pushed through UHC which is more than you can say for any American politician

he is a billionaire heir yeah, so a good reason to be skeptical. but hes probably vastly better than all alternatives, including thaksin.

and it turns out pheu thai and the anti-junta parties are claiming to have enough seats to form a coalition

https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/pheu-thai-and-allies-say-they-have-seats-to-form-govt-250468

quote:

Bangkok – The Pheu Thai Party has announced its intention to form a coalition government with six other parties while confirming that the New Economics Party will join despite its absence at a press conference.

Pheu Thai Party’s election strategy chairperson, Sudarat Keyuraphan, chaired a press conference Wednesday to affirm the party’s commitment to democracy. She was joined by the leaders of five other parties including the Future Forward Party, Thai Liberal Party, Puea Chat Party, Thai People Power Party, and Prachachat Party.

Seven parties have signaled their intention to join the coalition. Although the election results have not been officially announced, Sudarat expects over 255 seats in the lower house.

“Today, we hold the fact that parties on the side of democracy have received majority support from the people, although figures are not stable yet,” she said.

Leader of the Future Forward Party Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit said the party will support Sudarat as the next prime minister, reasoning that the party that won most seats in the lower house would get to form a government. Meanwhile, representatives from the New Economics Party did not attend the event, but Pheu Thai Secretary-General Phumtham Wechayachai confirmed that they will join the coalition, which calls itself the “democratic front.”

this will be interesting. thaksins back baby

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

this will be interesting. thaksins back baby

Thaksin 2: Electric whoops-a-coup

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/vaitor/status/1111183829127954433

https://twitter.com/pakhead/status/1111313718678188032

lol

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
new coup when? what do the junta actually do when running the country just enrich themselves through corruption?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Jose posted:

new coup when? what do the junta actually do when running the country just enrich themselves through corruption?

but the military is already in control

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

he is a billionaire heir yeah, so a good reason to be skeptical. but hes probably vastly better than all alternatives, including thaksin.
I seem to remember that he’s said he is a socialist, which if true is p incredible by Thai standards. If Engels could be a socialist, I guess he can too

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/thai-king-strips-pm-thakin-shinawatra-royal-decorations-190330155200645.html

quote:

Thailand's King Maha Vajiralongkorn has revoked royal decorations awarded to deposed former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, citing his corruption conviction and "extremely inappropriate" flight from the country.

The announcement in the royal gazette on Saturday came less than a week after Thailand held its first election since a military coup in 2014.

Pheu Thai, a political party linked to Thaksin, is now jostling with the military-backed Phalang Pracharat party for the right to form a government.

Officials have yet to release the full results of the election, which Thaksin has called "rigged".

this is a nod by the king giving sanction to another coup if pheu thai gets the next gov and/or sanction to rigging the results that still arent actually announced yet

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://mobile.twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1118141785937731585

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



thai revanchist still really, really hate the french for stealing cambodia and laos from them.

anyways, in political news, the junta has charged thanathorn with sedition under absurd charges, along with other opposition politicians. who actually won the election is still not clear as full results have not been made known still lmao (it was definitely the opposition).

i think each of these actions are probably tests to see how far the junta can push to ignore the results without sparking protests. the reason why theyre going after thanathorn is that Thaksin & co still probably has a lot of connection to red shirts and could start up poo poo again if he really wanted to.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1120639004104282113

theyre really trying to get him before releasing results

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1121046164470677504

https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1121309169284538368

monarchy owns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN-syJv2jC0

Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 08:17 on Apr 25, 2019

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1123890143369232386

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
What's going on with that wedding ceremony lol. Can she even refuse to marry him?

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Jose posted:

What's going on with that wedding ceremony lol. Can she even refuse to marry him?

When he divorced a previous wife, she wasn't allowed to mount a defence at the divorce trial because saying bad things about the king was illegal, even as a legal defence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajiralongkorn#Personal_life

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
The results are in! The pro military parties won according to the EC but you can't see the actual numbers or the way that the proportional votes were allocated.
Pheu Thai originally claimed victory because their coalition looked to have 255 seats in the lower house (250 are needed for a majority) but, after the EC checked, it appears that they only had 245. That means the pro-military Palang Phatcharat party (which came second in total seats), can scrape together a 20 party coalition to govern. It also means that the current prime minister is almost certain to be re-elected. He needs 376 votes across both chambers, and the military picks all of the 250 senators in the upper house. He needs to find just 11 more votes from allied parties to be confirmed.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Helen Highwater posted:

The results are in! The pro military parties won according to the EC but you can't see the actual numbers or the way that the proportional votes were allocated.
Pheu Thai originally claimed victory because their coalition looked to have 255 seats in the lower house (250 are needed for a majority) but, after the EC checked, it appears that they only had 245. That means the pro-military Palang Phatcharat party (which came second in total seats), can scrape together a 20 party coalition to govern. It also means that the current prime minister is almost certain to be re-elected. He needs 376 votes across both chambers, and the military picks all of the 250 senators in the upper house. He needs to find just 11 more votes from allied parties to be confirmed.

Well it's now or never with protests

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

quote:

20 party coalition
:stare:

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
A lot of those 20 parties are basically rebranded Palang Phatcharat organisations specifically founded to take advantage of the way the EC allocated proportional seats. The Thaksin aligned parties did much the same thing - although in their case it was insurance against having some of their parties banned from politics by the constitutional court rather than to game the elctoral system.

So of the 20 parties, there are maybe 5 main factions - who are all more or less aligned anyway.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
What are the junta getting out of running thailand are they just making themselves insanely rich? Would a real government lock them all up?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Jose posted:

What are the junta getting out of running thailand are they just making themselves insanely rich? Would a real government lock them all up?

Mostly protecting the old elites and rich from mild populist redistribution via thaksinism. Also protecting their own rackets and corruption, yeah.

I think if the opposition suddenly took power, it would depend on how secure that were if they moved against the junta, or were even capable of rooting then out of the military.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

Mostly protecting the old elites and rich from mild populist redistribution via thaksinism. Also protecting their own rackets and corruption, yeah.

I think if the opposition suddenly took power, it would depend on how secure that were if they moved against the junta, or were even capable of rooting then out of the military.

I'm not even sure that it would be possible to move against the junta if the opposition won. Even assuming that there wasn't an immediate coup (lol, there would be one in seconds), most of the power structures are appointed directly by the King and not by the PM. The Constitutional Court would make Mitch McConnell look like a bipartisan compromiser if they had to deal with another pro-Thaksin government.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
What could unfuck Thailand? I assume the military has the backing and the blessing of the us?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


mila kunis posted:

What could unfuck Thailand? I assume the military has the backing and the blessing of the us?

large scale popular unrest is probably it. the red shirt protests in 2010 managed to force the 2006-2011 junta to hold elections and let thaksins party win and govern for a few years. that there hasnt really been any major protests since 2014 is the main reason theyre not afraid to steal the election.

basically its up to the opposition to put up or shut up now, and flood the streets.

edit: if you mean permanently unfuck thailand, the popular unrest would need to be large enough to scare the military into not doing another coup, and the new government would need to do what basically Erdogan has done to the Turkish military - purge out the entire old guard and replace them with lackeys. easier said than done.

Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 15:03 on May 9, 2019

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

mila kunis posted:

What could unfuck Thailand? I assume the military has the backing and the blessing of the us?
i know nothing about Thai politics but that's a safe bet

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

mila kunis posted:

What could unfuck Thailand? I assume the military has the backing and the blessing of the us?
Not really, the US opposed the coup under Obama, now they probably just don’t care.

The military can’t postpone their reckoning forever, a clear majority of people oppose them and Thailand isn’t China or North Korea. Eventually tensions will boil over and Thailand will be lucky if it avoids a civil war.

Soy Division has issued a correction as of 15:09 on May 9, 2019

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

mila kunis posted:

What could unfuck Thailand? I assume the military has the backing and the blessing of the us?

Thailand is in a really weird spot geopolitically. Normally no one outside the region would have ever given a gently caress about it as it was just another, mostly agrarian, developing nation. It's one of the few nations in this area that doesn't have a European colonial past - which tells you all you need to know about how many strategically important natural resources it has. Pretty much the only valuable things that natively grow here are rubber and silk - and they grow everywhere else around here too. However, post-WWII, there was a rash of SE Asian countries deciding to be all communist and/or throw off the shackles of imperialist occupiers. Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam all went communist, Malaysia threw out the British, then tried to go communist twice, Myanmar kicked out the British and then went through a sequence of civil wars and military dictatorships. Thailand was the only sizable nation in the region that was relatively stable and not communist so the CIA threw a gently caress ton of effort into propping it up.
The last king, Rama IX, was king for all of that and he was basically a CIA asset. He died in 2016 after being in power for 70 years which is the kind of stability that the US really liked.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Yeah basically the entire cult built around bhumibol was engineered by the CIA to counter communism in the 60s and 70s - there was at one point a very serious communist insurgency in the north. Before that the monarchy was much closer to a normal constitutional monarchy.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1127587932070645760

https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1127587934847283201

https://twitter.com/zenjournalist/status/1127587937372311562

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1136304192279130112

congrats prayuth you have won the game of thrones!!

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1156098694137016320?s=19

bump because lmao vajiralongkorn is bringing back consorts (ie old school polygamy)

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

Yeah basically the entire cult built around bhumibol was engineered by the CIA to counter communism in the 60s and 70s - there was at one point a very serious communist insurgency in the north. Before that the monarchy was much closer to a normal constitutional monarchy.

is there anything the cia doesnt turn into poo poo

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Kurtofan posted:

is there anything the cia doesnt turn into poo poo

the most notorious black site during the bush admin was in thailand, ran by gina haspel

its now a tourist attraction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6kGhPrz06g

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

it would own if Thailand overthrew their monarchy like Nepal did a couple years ago

edit: would also own if the royals just started killing each other, also as in Nepal

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Ramrod Hotshot posted:

it would own if Thailand overthrew their monarchy like Nepal did a couple years ago

edit: would also own if the royals just started killing each other, also as in Nepal

bhumibol already shot and killed his brother/king and he ended up reigning for 70 years :shrug:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananda_Mahidol#Death

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