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tbf those have non-naize uses and the cloudfront complaint is about shielding stormfront or 8chan or somethingawful or some other site I can't remember
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D. Ebdrup posted:I'm not sure you want to live in a country that has a law requiring DNS filtering, because it will eventually be used to block all sorts of things not originally described, there's no oversight, and even if you don't circumvent it by using any other DNS provider but the one your ISP has, it's not actually effective according to a study published a while back. browsers will start opting in to dns over tls/https if we start getting to that point
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Why can't someone who is just like me and agrees with all of my ideas just censor the internet?  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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pseudorandom name posted:tbf those have non-naize uses and the cloudfront complaint is about shielding stormfront or 8chan or somethingawful or some other site I can't remember all three at the same time in fact!
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Why can't someone who is just like me and agrees with all of my ideas just censor the internet? yeah, who would have thought it would be this hard to force random corporations obey my exact censorship demands
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haveblue posted:you can't block nazi sites because no one is willing to block the internet
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Is 9.9.9.9 good?
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Schadenboner posted:Is 9.9.9.9 good? It's fine as long as you don't mind your dns being run by law enforcement.
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I use it for all my stuff and am happy with it. Dipshit roommate hasn't gotten any viruses since I configured it on the router
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It's obviously not about their DNS not blocking sites or whatever. It's about their choice in clients for their paid ddos protection services. They have taken, and take money from sites like stormfront, 8chan, the daily stormer, etc and protect(ed) their internet presence. When called out on this they claim there just infrastructure and are not about censorship. In my opinion, when you're protecting sites it's not about censorship, it's about what kind of clientele you decide to actively protect. Cloudflare has excellent service, I just don't think that they as a company deserve anyone's patronage. I will mention this whenever someone asks about cloudflare. Do with this information what you will.
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what i will do with the information is nothing, because i buy cloudflare's argument.
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you wanna be infrastructure? fine, we'll heavily regulate you like a utility then fucker
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spankmeister posted:It's obviously not about their DNS not blocking sites or whatever. It's about their choice in clients for their paid ddos protection services. They have taken, and take money from sites like stormfront, 8chan, the daily stormer, etc and protect(ed) their internet presence. When called out on this they claim there just infrastructure and are not about censorship. I’m honestly curious how you distinguish between Cloudflare’s services from Google or Amazon providing ddos protection?
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spankmeister posted:It's obviously not about their DNS not blocking sites or whatever. It's about their choice in clients for their paid ddos protection services. They have taken, and take money from sites like stormfront, 8chan, the daily stormer, etc and protect(ed) their internet presence. When called out on this they claim there just infrastructure and are not about censorship. well, you can say it's not about censorship, but the protection that cloudflare provides allows these sites to exist. that's why cloudflare working with them is significant. i don't disagree that it'd be great if sites like that went away, but i don't think you should want a random corporation to start playing morality police in this way. their opinions of what sites should and should not exist won't always match up with your own.
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not all nazis are bad right, its just "your view"
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the ceo of cloudflare wrote some words when they terminated the daily stormer, the majority of which I agree with: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
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Celexi posted:not all nazis are bad right, its just "your view" Who gets defined as a “nazi” can differ greatly from person to person. There are plenty of fundies out there that think Planned Parenthood is doing Holocaust 2.0. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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LanceHunter posted:Who gets defined as a “nazi” can differ greatly from person to person. There are plenty of fundies out there that think Planned Parenthood is doing Holocaust 2.0. what if it's people who self-identify nazis, such as, i don't know, the people on self-identifying nazi website the daily stormer
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Shame Boy posted:what if it's people who self-identify nazis, such as, i don't know, the people on self-identifying nazi website the daily stormer well you see but then you'd have to ban all types of "nazis" and you can't as that would be censorship also 1st ammendment
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Marcus hutchins pleads guilty re. kronos malware https://www.malwaretech.com/public-statement
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Plea deal pdf here https://twitter.com/itsybitsydots/status/1119331518441123841
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:browsers will start opting in to dns over tls/https if we start getting to that point
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dnssec over tls/https has a nice ring to it.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:I use it for all my stuff and am happy with it. Dipshit roommate hasn't gotten any viruses since I configured it on the router also in other news: https://twitter.com/malwaretechblog/status/1119322882578866176?s=21 my guess is everyone recognizes they can’t prove much but they let him side if if he doesn’t embarrass the AUSA evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 19, 2019 |
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Shame Boy posted:you wanna be infrastructure? fine, we'll heavily regulate you like a utility then fucker ah yes, those famously heavily regulated companies who definitely don't do crimes all the time, your local utility providers
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evil_bunnY posted:my guess is everyone recognizes they can’t prove much but they let him side if if he doesn’t embarrass the AUSA hes only getting off lightly by insane US standards, he faces up to 10 years (if served consecutively) + half a mil fine
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Why can't someone who is just like me and agrees with all of my ideas just censor the internet? yeah, good time to pull that old saw out first they came for the nazis and i was like "thats kinda lame to do that, what if they came for someone else  "
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Krankenstyle posted:yeah, good time to pull that old saw out reminder: the guy u just quoted is a nazi himself
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we’ve already decided that jihadis and or sex workers are ok to censor why are nazis where the bright line is drawn tho
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nazis serve the interests of the state same reason why white supremacist mass shooters and/or bombers are always lone wolves rather than terrorists
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these days cloudflare assiduously forward all complaints upstream, pretty much regardless of their legal merit, and are also responsive to requests from foreign law enforcement / govts that content be geo-blocked in accordance with their own local laws. not only does putting your site behind cloudflare not shield you from legal complaints you'd normally get, it actually risks your content being made inaccessible by foreign countries who might otherwise have just been ignored by your upstream provider. it's a boon to those wishing to curb the jurisdictional arbitrage that underpins publishing objectionable content online it's interesting - especially in light of some social networks' well publicised habit of making acceptable use rules up as they go along - that when cloudflare say "come back with a warrant (from anywhere lol)" some people's response is "stop requiring that and make these decisions yourself" rather than "why is such material not against the law" pseudorandom name posted:nazis serve the interests of the state ding ding ding
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Krankenstyle posted:yeah, good time to pull that old saw out The problem isn't censoring nazis the problem is censoring whoever random internet dude considers a nazi. ITT, youtube, reddit, somethingawful, facebook, twitter, and me, a pro-militant leftist someone who fishmech, a cop, has met once, are all nazis. So maybe there is a problem of overly broad definitions here. ate shit on live tv fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:The problem isn't censoring nazis the problem is censoring whoever random internet dude considers a nazi. ITT, youtube, reddit, somethingawful, facebook, twitter, and me, a pro-militant leftist someone who fishmech, a cop, has met once, are all nazis. So maybe there is a problem of overly broad definitions here. Maybe not.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:The problem isn't censoring nazis the problem is censoring whoever random internet dude considers a nazi. ITT, youtube, reddit, somethingawful, facebook, twitter, and me, a pro-militant leftist someone who fishmech, a cop, has met once, are all nazis. So maybe there is a problem of overly broad definitions here. if only there were some sort of list, maybe aggregated by some kind of center studying laws related to poverty in the south
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Shame Boy posted:if only there were some sort of list, maybe aggregated by some kind of center studying laws related to poverty in the south https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/03/the-southern-poverty-law-center-is-everything-thats-wrong-with-liberalism
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Shame Boy posted:if only there were some sort of list, maybe aggregated by some kind of center studying laws related to poverty in the south An oracle you say? Well poo poo if they are the unbiased and universal source of truth, why bother with freedoms at all? e: removed non-sources of truth. ate shit on live tv fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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another advantage of having upstream blocks on nazi sites is that there's a good chance something awful will also be caught in the filter
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It's really not hard to block/ban Nazis when they self identify which was the point
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