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Open Marriage Night posted:
There's no way on earth this is true. Maybe book sales for a while he's selling better than Superman or Wonder Woman (we all know who number one is) but not in terms of the popular consciousness.
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Open Marriage Night posted:I loved the Johns GL. Was just looking through them today because my friend reminded me they have been at his house for the past couple years. Sales wise it definitely did hit massive numbers beyond anything expected. It had the perfect storm behind it. Hal Jordans return was always going to sale to a certain base. Then you got those curious what the fuss is about and wanting to check it out. Then you add Goff Johns who was writing some actually great stuff at the time. He was becoming one of the names of the day. The creative team as a whole at the time was considered all-star. Pity one of them turned out be such a POS. If only we knew what was to come. The speculation market got onboard this real quick. Buy buy buy! Hype. It was hyped and what’s this, extra hype? My word! The Last Call fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Apr 28, 2024 |
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Apr 28, 2024 04:28
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I remember the height during Sinestro Corps War where the books were firing on all cylinders and you could feel the energy in the fandom Then Blackest Night happened three years later and that momentum just stopped absolutely dead.
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Apr 28, 2024 06:50
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Blockhouse posted:I remember the height during Sinestro Corps War where the books were firing on all cylinders and you could feel the energy in the fandom I will give it this, he made SBP an interesting antagonist during Sinestro Corps War, especially only joining to try and gently caress up the Anti-Monitor. Brightest Day was the drizzling shits.
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Apr 28, 2024 06:53
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I have zero memory of what Brightest Day was even about
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Apr 28, 2024 13:58
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Gripweed posted:I have zero memory of what Brightest Day was even about It was to resurrect a ton of characters that had been killed off or misused the last few years and fold Swamp Thing into the dc comics main line.
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Apr 28, 2024 14:39
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Blockhouse posted:I remember the height during Sinestro Corps War where the books were firing on all cylinders and you could feel the energy in the fandom It was a natural climax to the series. Brightest Day just couldn't recapture that spark that the build to Blackest Night had.
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Apr 28, 2024 16:54
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It's probably unfair but mostly I remember from Blackest Night was Black Lanter Alex DeWitt still crammed in a fridge.
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Apr 28, 2024 17:01
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Maybe an unpopular opinion, but Blackest Night was bad. Especially compared to Sinestro Corps War, which was a pretty Lantern-focused event that had some natural spillover into the wider DCU. Blackest Night was more a generic DC event with Johns giving in to his worst torture and violence porn urges.
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Apr 28, 2024 17:45
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Sinestro Corp War was much better. Blackest Night was the most Mortal Kombat mixed with Saturday morning cartoons book of his career. I kind of liked it. Ivan Reis and Doug Mahnke drew the hell out of the main title and Green Lantern respectively.
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Apr 28, 2024 20:42
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Could not possibly tell you how the final fight in Blackest Night went meanwhile I will never forget Hal and Kyle beating Sinestro's rear end on a rooftop with their bare hands like it's the end of Metal Gear Solid 4
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Apr 28, 2024 20:52
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Open Marriage Night posted:It was a natural climax to the series. Brightest Day just couldn't recapture that spark that the build to Blackest Night had. I remember everyone rolling their eyes at a Judd Winnick JLI series and it turned out to be way more interesting and fun.
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Apr 28, 2024 20:54
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You see Black Lanterns aren't zombies, they aren't the dead person at all! Except for when they were. They were powered by the emotion of death but also just emotion in general, which as we know is stored in the heart. If you care enough, a Black Lantern can eat your heart and get more powerful. If you blast them with one emotion ring, they get even more powerfuller, but if you blast them with two emotions at once they are destroyed. Or brought back to life, even though they're not really the dead person they are pretending to be. If you blast the really powerful Black Lanterns with two emotion rings, or even all seven emotion rings, that also makes them even MORE stronger and deader. Unless you have White Power, which is the only thing that can destroy black powers. And sometimes the people still die, except when they do not.
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Apr 28, 2024 21:00
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Open Marriage Night posted:It was a natural climax to the series. Brightest Day just couldn't recapture that spark that the build to Blackest Night had. And the next few GL arcs after Blackest Night were reiterations of the blueprint until the post-New 52 Rebirth. I know I was lukewarm toward Godhead in its time, but looking back, that was pretty fun. Great warmup to 'Hal Jordan and the GLC' from the Rebirth era. Rebirth era had big Jim Shooter "from now on we only make good comics" energy, maybe tweaked into "someone should do something cool at least once per issue, these are superhero comics dammit."
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Apr 28, 2024 22:29
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Jiro posted:I will give it this, he made SBP an interesting antagonist during Sinestro Corps War, especially only joining to try and gently caress up the Anti-Monitor. I 've been following SBP across trades recently. Geoff shoves him in all these strange spots. Legion of Three Worlds he's made irredeemable, and he randomly pops up as a captive in the Rock of Eternity in Shazam only to have a fight with Shazam and Black Adam. (Just read Shazam and the 7 magic realms). Overall Geoff always feels a bit like Alex Ross in that he only really wants to write the characters he grew up with. So he brought back Hal, then Barry and slowly rolled back the time to the 70's
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Johns' Green Lantern and Morrison's Batman happening during the same period was a crazy time to be a DC fan. We were eating good back then.
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Yeah the only difference is Alex Ross does amazing paintings and art deco impressions. And Geoff Johns......well, at least his JSA was good. Morrison getting the reigns to the DC Universe for a little while was like the only way you could figure out how it all made sense was to take all the drugs and retrace your steps.
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Vandar posted:Johns' Green Lantern and Morrison's Batman happening during the same period was a crazy time to be a DC fan. This was what kicked off my solid year or two of really being into superhero comics as opposed to just being a casual dipper, and I vividly remember getting to Brightest Day ending with a montage of "next week on Dragon Ball Z" teasers for a hundred new books that were clearly going to last about five issues, and immediately giving up on the whole thing in disgust at the sheer wet fart of a conclusion and open cynicism of it. For being a terrible book I will say at least that Brightest Day is, on paper, completely insane. The spirit of life brings a bunch of random dead people back to life and gives them Taskmaster tasks to complete and some of them fail but that's OK because Swamp Thing has a kaiju fight with... himself? Oh no Hawkgirl melted. Funnily enough when I read comics as a kid 10 years or so before that, one of the ones I most vividly remember is Final Night, which I absolutely did not understand the context for but was probably the best primer for accepting GL Rebirtb
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I kinda felt things had the potential to go really bad when all the other new colors all had their own batteries and rings (except those purple cultists, then it turned out they also had rings) which kind of to me felt like such a boring and flat interpretation of what should be a wide weird gamut of powers? Green and yellow I could accept as being like mirrors of each other. but every single one? that felt like the start of something really boring to me.
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Synthbuttrange posted:I kinda felt things had the potential to go really bad when all the other new colors all had their own batteries and rings (except those purple cultists, then it turned out they also had rings) which kind of to me felt like such a boring and flat interpretation of what should be a wide weird gamut of powers? Green and yellow I could accept as being like mirrors of each other. but every single one? that felt like the start of something really boring to me. It was a fine extension of the concept, imo. A bit anime as hell, but the entire "villain" half of the spectrum was great. The "heroic" side otoh was a bit weaker. Blues being super over powered in the presence of a green was an idiotic idea. The indigo lanterns didn't have much of a parallel to the orange "lanterns" other than that they were forcibly recruited. Orange and indigo and the emotions they represented definitely felt like they were the last ones picked though
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Xelkelvos posted:It was a fine extension of the concept, imo. A bit anime as hell, but the entire "villain" half of the spectrum was great. The "heroic" side otoh was a bit weaker. Blues being super over powered in the presence of a green was an idiotic idea. The indigo lanterns didn't have much of a parallel to the orange "lanterns" other than that they were forcibly recruited. Orange and indigo and the emotions they represented definitely felt like they were the last ones picked though And orange felt like Johns going "What if Daffy Duck was a supervillain."
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Dawgstar posted:And orange felt like Johns going "What if Daffy Duck was a supervillain." Hey, a stopped clock and all that...
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Yeah that was the best thing he created
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Dawgstar posted:And orange felt like Johns going "What if Daffy Duck was a supervillain." Hey, he is clearly an awful horror character in his first appearance. Glad they just made him Uncle Scrooge after that.
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Xelkelvos posted:It was a fine extension of the concept, imo. A bit anime as hell, but the entire "villain" half of the spectrum was great. The "heroic" side otoh was a bit weaker. Blues being super over powered in the presence of a green was an idiotic idea. The indigo lanterns didn't have much of a parallel to the orange "lanterns" other than that they were forcibly recruited. Orange and indigo and the emotions they represented definitely felt like they were the last ones picked though Indigo was like a tribe devoid of individualism while the Orange was just a single individual. We just didn’t learn much about the Indigo tribe until the end of the whole run after everyone was checked out and the New 52 started.
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May 1, 2024 14:52
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Xelkelvos posted:Blues being super over powered in the presence of a green was an idiotic idea. *sighs in Blue Lantern nerd* Green Lanterns are overpowered in the presence of a Blue Lantern, not the other way around. Blues can fly and make shields and not much else, though they make others feel good and can heal a dying star. Some elseworld/future stories occasionally give Blues one extra ability like "can explode once, for a righteous cause."
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Space Fish posted:*sighs in Blue Lantern nerd* That seems, extremely stupid.
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Blue Lanterns run on Hope, right? Their poo poo should work like the tech from Mission Impossible. An entire Corps having to Jackie Chan their way through conflicts because everything they have is held together with duct tape and wire but still somehow able come in clutch.
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May 1, 2024 18:45
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Space Fish posted:*sighs in Blue Lantern nerd*
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Space Fish posted:*sighs in Blue Lantern nerd* Can’t they also mess up the Red Lanterns?
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May 1, 2024 19:36
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Please explain the "explode" part.
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Scuba Trooper posted:Please explain the "explode" part. It's when particles violently move in directions away from where they started, but that's not important right now
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Scuba Trooper posted:Please explain the "explode" part. *cracks open Hoopla app* I stand corrected! During "Nightwing: The New Order," in which Lois Lane uses a Blue Lantern ring, she blasts her way out of a locked room after declaring, "I'm all will." Later, standing up against a Green Lantern, she says, "You're forgetting how these rings work, John," before causing an explosion and commencing beam/shield fighting with him. I thought there was a self-sacrificing element to a boom by the end, but no. In this case, Xelkelvos, maybe I don't know how the rings work, either! In all other GL comics, the Blues are the ultimate buff for their Green friends. Open Marriage Night, you are correct, Blue Lanterns can calm down Reds' anger and even enable them to remove their ring without dying (Red Lanterns cannot remove their ring without dying). See also, "Red Lanterns: Futures End," in which Blue Lantern Guy Gardner is on a mission to de-ring the entire Red corps.
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Space Fish posted:*cracks open Hoopla app* Like I can see where the Blues empowering Greens makes a parallel to the Yellow weakness, but I remember one of the Blue's things being that they were basically powerless without a Green ring in their presences. From Wikipedia: quote:All Blue Lanterns are armed with a blue power ring, fueled by the emotion of hope. While hope is the most powerful of the seven emotions, Blue Lanterns must be near an active Green Lantern's power ring to tap into their own rings' full power. Otherwise, the rings are only capable of the default abilities of flight and a protective aura. This is because the power of hope is nothing without the willpower to enact it.[8] The Blue Lantern's protective aura allows them to survive in space and other hostile environments and can be manipulated to a limited degree even without a Green Lantern present, using it to augment their strength and extending it to form a larger shield, but this ability is almost exclusively defensive.[25] Blue rings must be activated by true hope before they will operate at their user's command.[10] So I think it's a bit of A and a bit of B in that Blue Lantern Rings are capable of their own stuff but need to be near a Green to do their own particular brand of nonsense, but also they're capable of overcharging Green (and other) rings. Open Marriage Night posted:Indigo was like a tribe devoid of individualism while the Orange was just a single individual. We just didn’t learn much about the Indigo tribe until the end of the whole run after everyone was checked out and the New 52 started. And even when we did learn about them it wasn't all that interesting and they didn't exactly have an interesting character(s) to headline unlike Atrocitus, Saint Walker and Larfleeze.
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Double post but lmao at the Nightwing Annual. A character first introduced as an alternative love interest during his "Ric" period has now had their character history retconned (again?) from Bar owner -> Heiress to secret pirate society -> Spyral Agent sent to keep an eye on former agent, Dick Grayson.
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May 3, 2024 20:50
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Didn't the Blue Lanterns get nuked except for Walker.
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The Last Call posted:Didn't the Blue Lanterns get nuked except for Walker. Yeah and it fuckin' sucked. Have they brought the Blues back yet?
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I mean, Razer has been in Green Lantern recently?
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Xelkelvos posted:Double post but lmao at the Nightwing Annual. A character first introduced as an alternative love interest during his "Ric" period has now had their character history retconned (again?) from Bar owner -> Heiress to secret pirate society -> Spyral Agent sent to keep an eye on former agent, Dick Grayson. Yeah this new retcon seems so unnecessary
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Can John Stewart get paralyzed again? Maybe bring Grayven back and have him do it? Also, I wonder what happened to the guy Kyle just... gave green legs to back in the 90's. (GL Volume 3 #72 when he went to Fawcett City... before the Marvels moved to Philly).
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