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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
HiC is bad and King should stick to one shots or longer arcs without major characters or longer arcs with major characters in a non-canon neck of the multiverse.

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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
He's going to be the writing equivalent of Liefield isn't he? Great guy to work with, delivers on time consistently, questionable quality of work.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Madkal posted:

For me Omega Men was great as a self contained storyline taking place in a part of the DC universe that isn't really explored that much outside of Green Lantern book. The Kyle stuff for me was fine as I don't really recall anything being done with the character before and he was used more as a audience surrogate than anything else.
I thought the characters were really well fleshed out with their backstories and the planets and the people described in the comics give everything a great "lived in" feel. The storyline itself I really enjoyed and yes I can see how it would come across as "misery porn" but I felt it was fairly realistic in the way that everyone thinks about the revolution but gives no thought about the opportunists and fallouts that happen afterwards. I was glad that things weren't just given a nice shiny bow on top and said "all was right with the planets now". It is also important to note how everything we are given is from the perspective of the Omega Men so we don't really know the full story of the planets except for their experiences, which leads to a lot of nuance in motivation.

The fact that it's in this isolated sector in a part of the DCU that no one cares about made it really hard to actually care about the Omega Men in the first place. They're not really all that endearing despite them being the apparently less bad side in their revolution. There doesn't need to be a bow on it, but like his Mister Miracle, there's a bit of empty "The End. No Moral." to it. The existence of Kyle in all of it was also unnecessary since if his role is audience surrogate, then it could literally be any character old or new that could've done the same job.

King definitely likes taking his own spin on the characters in the DCU and its universe, but it's definitely off from preexisting canon that doesn't settle well, at least in the stuff he's done recently. There's definitely introspective stuff that he likes/wants to do but the characters he's doing them with feel like the wrong ones, at least in the way he does it. Characters like Martian Manhunter, Swamp Thing, Animal Man or even John Constantine seem more apt for the navel gazing stuff that he wants to do.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Which Robin is this? Tim?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
There was definitely a reference to Alpha Flight by Bart so I'm gonna wager this is another Earth.

Edit: Death Stroke is still weird, but I hope Death Masque sticks around to continue the chain of pastiches between DC and Marvel

Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Jan 10, 2019

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Open Marriage Night posted:

Why are we mad about Shining Knight?

We're mad about King and HiC and Ystin(a) being in it.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Teenage Fansub posted:

No, but you can just picture SK in a nine panel confessional page right after, then with Batman over his body in a morgue on the next for the issue's title page.

Or Hi-C could be making a sharp left turn :)

edit: Beautiful bit of art anyway.

It could be lying in a morgue or it could be in another cheesecake pose

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

BrianWilly posted:

Also read Justice League Dark because it's really gnarly and entertaining.

JLD was extremely good and spooky this week.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Roth posted:

Is it just me, or has Catwoman just been kinda boring?

Edit - Also, Batman just beating up everybody in Arkham feels all kinds of wrong to me.

The last arc was kinda hard to follow but it's basically been doing it's own thing.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Can we agree that Tom King is bad now?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
King's stuff, I think only works for characters who're pre-established to be damaged in some way (or have a backstory that would reasonably fit that sort of tone in) rather than writing it into their story. Characters like Batman, the Vision and Mister Miracle work for that, but characters like Lois Lane and Booster Gold don't. If the Doom Patrol wasn't already on a decent track (despite its infrequent release), I'd say he could have a good shot on that. Or let him stretch his wings with The Spectre or something.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Codependent Poster posted:

Superman is the last hero that I would have imagining multiple death scenarios in graphic detail.

This. Superman is the type of character who acknowledges the worst, but still hopes for the best. He'd imagine Lois with a gun pointed at her or shot at, but not shot through. He'd imagine her in a death trap, but not dead. That's the type of character I see Superman as. Now Batman, he'd definitely assume the worst if he was truly worried. But in either case, you could depict the situation the same way for each of them, but contextualize it differently in dialogue rather than going to the gory extreme in drawn depiction.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

CharlestheHammer posted:

It be like doing Batman’s origin story but having his parents graphically murdered. It’s pointless and just having Joe shoot them accomplishes the same thing.

Hell most retelling don’t even show any blood or the bullet connecting and it works fine.

In contrast to that, The Killing Joke is relatively explicit about Barbra getting shot, but I'd say it's hardly as gruesome as the Lane deaths and in retellings, it's usually fairly abbreviated.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Two Tone Shoes posted:

I know I'm a broken record but the Flash family would perfectly fit an Into The Spiderverse style story/show. Chain Lightning basically was that already. They even have a comedy animal themed version that they've teamed up with before.

If one were to do a more extensive Amalgam thing again, The Flash and Spider-Man would be one of the obvious mixes, if only because both have such similar traits in terms of extensive rogues galleries, multiversal connections, extended hero families and general tone/character traits.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
I'm guessing there's some behind the scenes stuff that caused the dismissal

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
The page with Solstice was actually kinda sad but, ultimately moot like the rest of the heroes they showed that died because anything emotional dramas they could've told with them are basically down the shitter because HiC is a bad murder mystery comic rather than an emotional drama anthology.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
I'm gonna wager it's gonna be an "X kills the DC Multiverse" thing or maybe something that pokes fun at killed off DC characters.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
I'm glad that Bunker is back.

The new Wonder Twins comic is certainly interesting. It also screams as a love letter to the Superfriends era (which makes sense).

Justice League Dark remains solid and getting some play with the Lords of Order will be an interesting change of pace.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
So it's Zombies? Again?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Roth posted:

Oh yeah, it's still an enjoyable read and I'm not about to drop it or anything. I just can't help but feel like the book is starting to drift away from what I was interested in about it. I guess it's ending soon anyway.

Also, not sure what to think of using Granny Goodness and the Furies of all characters to make a pro feminist comic out of, but I feel like it mostly works?



This is a pretty good page.

It's definitely trying to make a statement though idk if using those characters in that setting gels at all with their preexisting incarnations.

For example, the Superman TAS depictions of Granny has her as a proper maternal figure to Darkseid rather than as a peer/object of lust. That Darkseid even demonstrates a sexual attraction for anyone is also a bit OOC and him having children is always left as an exercise for the audience to think about and proceed to ignore.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Roth posted:

Personally, I'm still trying to process the idea that Darkseid fucks for pleasure.

Yeah, that's a weird rear end OOC thing in the comic that made me give it a bit of a side-eye. The whole "talent exhibition" thing of the Furies feels like it should be part of an Amanda Conner comic and not part of whatever this comic is supposed to be.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Teenage Fansub posted:

I'll still try D'ceased. I'm sure there's a good chance Taylor'll make me care.
I just want him writing Detective Chimp comics.

I want Detective Chimp to get more love and possibly regularly on a TV series (animated or otherwise). I'd kill for a retooled Shadowpact or a TV version of the current JLD with or without Wonder Woman

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
The current developments in Justice League with Luthor and Brainiac's team-up give me echoes from the Justice League Unlimited series. It's not bad, but it's kinda amusing.

Also lmao at the 6th Dimension.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Teenage Fansub posted:

Re: Detective Comics #999
Does anyone like it was all a dream endings? That just deflates the whole thing.
I still enjoyed some stuff, especially the Mister Miracle death trap escape issue, and I guess it's cool that Leslie is alive, but the drama of that being for nothing leaves a bad taste.

I feel like it was meant to exist to spin the comic's wheels for some unspecified number of issues until #1000.

Meanwhile, Shazam! is still pretty good. A little predictable, but the worldbuilding is nice which I guess is what Johns excels in.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
The double date is good. The Booster Gold issues are really bad.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
So Wonder Twins is taking on the US penal system. That's new.

That the private prison they showed off had a rehabilitation program that was basically working a call center would be more funny if it wasn't horribly true.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Nevvy Z posted:

Jarrobin FTFY

Can we retroactively rewrite DC 1,000,000 with this character instead of Robin-bot?

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Teenage Fansub posted:

Bendis straight up said in an AMA a while ago that he'd get Clark to look like Bradley Cooper in American Hustle for an undercover disguise, but it's still an arresting thing to turn a page to in today's Action.

It kinda looks like he's turning himself african american instead, which is where I'm guessing peoples' minds are gonna go.

lmao. Chaz. It deifnitely is weird that his hair grows curly like that, but IMO, it's more Greek than African.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
The only story I hate from it is the Tom King one. There's a bunch of weird issues like how there's an entire group of characters and for half the pages they're all off panel, but with nothing to indicate who's talking other than limited context. The panel with Tim and Steph here annoys me a lot

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Open Marriage Night posted:

It doesn’t really matter who’s saying what for most of that dialogue. It’s just banter. Tom King always does a good job writing the Bat family.

You can still have good banter and bad banter and there's definitely some banter there that's bad. Damien and Dick are written fine enough. Jason is a bit much but okay, but I still take ire to Steph's stuff as that seems way off compared to how she's been portrayed for the last few years. Heck, even Bab's and Kate's own little argument seem a bit OOC.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Morrison's The Green Lantern is still pulling deep cuts from the Silver Age. There's definitely this wild sense of wonder that was part of that era, but it also took some of its weird idiosyncrasies where while one half is crazy and amazing and out there, the other half is empty and without much explanation or grounding. If you printed Morrison's The Green Lantern on newsprint and in CMYK, it'd be nearly indistinguishable from any story published then.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Bendis has been setting up Lois as the point person for the Leviathan investigation

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Roth posted:

You hear em DC. Make the Animal Man tv show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0Lwx7W7kZ0

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
So DCeased is a thing and it reminds me a lot of Marvel Zombies. Basically, all gore favorite characters, but some of them are now flesh ripping monsters

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Mr Hootington posted:

It wasn't terrible either which is very surprising.

It's definitely a little mediocre at the moment, but I'd say it was a fairly novel way to start off an outbreak event that isn't just something suddenly appearing out of nowhere. It might fit better as a TPB so how the next few issues shape up will determine how good it is.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
They're gonna have Bruce quit being Batman or have him kill a person or something.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
One of the best things they did for Batman was making Dick Batman for a while after Bruce "died." Morrison's Dick and Damian were a great duo

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012


We Vertigo now. It there's at least one thing Dial H has going for it in this run, it's that it's super into running headlong into different artsyles reflecting the hero summoned. The last issue was straight from Manga. This one is from the 80s.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012
Freedom Fighters is starting to ramp up and we get to see how it ties into the Multiversity special.

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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Open Marriage Night posted:

It’s like booting Morrison off Animal Man before he brings back Buddy’s family.

I also wonder if this has anything to do with them wanting a younger looking Batman if the Robert Pattinson rumors are true.

If Robert Pattinson was actually a backdoor way to have a Dick Grayson Batman again, I'd be 100% on that.

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