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Season 11, Episode 2: The Ghost Monument Written by Chris Chibnall, Directed by Mark Tonderai Graham O'Brien posted:Shall we just follow her? Following an excellent first episode/introduction to the 13th Doctor and the new production team, Showrunner Chris Chibnall faced the issue all great "debuts" suffer from: what's next. RTD had The End of the World to follow Rose, which was not without its problems but successfully captured the sense of weirdness and the unsettling alien a human from contemporary London might face in the far-flung future. Moffat had The Beast Below to follow The Eleventh Hour, a similar fish-out-of-water story that allowed the Doctor's human companion to demonstrate humanity's value AND the reason why the Doctor needed a companion to ground him. Chibnall gets The Ghost Monument, which has to work a lot of double duty. Not only is it a follow-up to the debut, but it has to showcase and develop not one or even two human companions, but three. All while helping further cement this new Doctor's personality and quirks, AND create a world to exist in AND develop two supporting characters in addition. Does it succeed? Kind of. There's a lot to like in this episode, but also a few niggling issues that would permeate the season as a whole. Overall the episode is solid if unspectacular, if a little over-crowded for its runtime which means some components get left behind or only roughly sketched in. It's actually a pretty good example of the season as a whole, both its highs and its lows: there's a ton of potential, it looks great, there is some great characterization, an underwhelming villain and Yaz gets the short end of the character development stick.  To be fair, the show looks REALLY great this season. The previous episode ended on an excellent cliffhanger, as the Doctor accidentally teleported Graham, Ryan and Yaz along with herself into space. Following the first appearance of the new opening credits/theme (which are awesome), this episode picks up right where they left off, floating in the vacuum of space. A ship suddenly appears and Ryan has enough consciousness to spot a mechanical claw being extended towards him before he passes out. When he comes to, he's inside a futuristic pod onboard the ship, being checked over by Graham. Yaz and the Doctor nowhere to be seen, and the pilot of the ship who saved them is ignoring their protests that they have no idea who she is or what she's up to. Claiming they are "bonuses", she directs the ship towards a nearby planet: the "Final" planet, ignoring their attempts to get her to turn around. If Yaz and the Doctor were there (she claims not to have seen them) then they'll be dead by now. Yaz is not dead. She also wakens inside a medical pod, an unspoken nod to the idea that a human being exposed to the vacuum of space would be super-hosed up even if they were rescued. Presumably the pods repaired/treated any damage they took, though of course the Doctor is made of sterner stuff and not only didn't require a pod but is already locked in a shouting match with the Captain of their ship. His name is Epzo, and he claims his clearly well-past-it ship is the envy of millions and that he can land it on the planet.. if he could just find the planet. This is why the Doctor teleported them to the wrong place, the planet has moved out of its standard orbit and when they finally locate it, Epzo's ship is in no condition to get them there. The Doctor takes control over Epzo's protests, convincing him to jettison the cargo-hold while Yaz is put to work physically working components of the falling-apart spaceship. The result is a good landing... in that it is one they can walk away from. They crash-land on the planet, almost killing Graham and Ryan in the process since their savior had actually managed to land her ship safely. She is Angstrom, and her and Epzo are the last two competitors in the Rally of the Twelve Galaxies.   Reunited with her human companions, the Doctor is extremely apologetic over both bringing them along by accident AND into the vacuum of space but welcomes them to what she presumes is their first alien planet. They follow the bickering Epzo and Angstrom, who obviously know each other well but whose competitive banter has an undercurrent of nastiness to it, particularly on Epzo's part. Amusingly, it is the Doctor who is left confused by the presence of a tent on the desert planet (unpleasant flashbacks to The Greatest Show in the Galaxy) while her companions just kind of take it as a matter of course. Before they head inside, she's asked why everybody speaks English and Graham becomes annoyed to discover the medi-pods inserted universal translators into them, pointing out that's the second time something like this has happened recently. The Doctor commiserates, and points out if she had the TARDIS it wouldn't have been necessary: it's a bit of perhaps unnecessary exposition but SOMEBODY would have complained about it if he hadn't been brought up I guess. Inside the tent, they find a lavish set-up and a smugly arrogant man called Ilin, who instructs Epzo and Angstrom on what is to come next and gets pissed not only at the Doctor's presence but the fact she keeps interrupting to ask questions. The Rally of the Twelve Galaxies is a race that starts with multiple contenders who start with nothing and have to trade and work their way up to having the resources to make it through each stage. Four were left for this final stage but two died on the hyperjump to the location, leaving just these two all aiming for the largest cash prize in the history of the rally, because this is the last one ever. Ilin is an interesting character we barely get to see much of. A rich rear end in a top hat, sitting in safety far from danger (the Doctor quickly figures out he and his tent are a holographic projection) and indifferent to the plight of these four strangers he insists to an irritated Epzo and Angstrom are NOT bonuses. But when the Doctor calls him out on using "we" to talk about how the rally proves the lengths somebody will go to in order to succeed, he coldly points out that he gained his wealth by winning the rally himself: he also started from nothing and went through untold dangers and risked death, and is not asking the surviving racers to do anything he himself has not also done. This final stage of the race involves surviving the planet - aptly named Desolation - and making it to the other side of the mountains to the site of "the Ghost Monument". The winner will be transported off the planet, while the loser will be left stranded to die. High stakes, but at least Epzo and Angstrom have a chance. They and Ilin are all in agreement that the Doctor and her companions are stuck here and won't be helped off (Angstrom's ship is out of fuel even if it is in one piece). The humans complain about this lack of solidarity from their fellows, and are told by a confused Epzo that neither he nor Angstrom are humans, Angstrom adding that she's never actually heard of the "Moomanbeen" race before. The only assistance Ilin will offer (to the competitors) is a boat to travel the river, but he warns them not to touch the water and not to travel at night, claiming the planet "has been made cruel". In spite of his indifference to the Doctor and the others, he does agree to her plea to him to show her what the Ghost Monument looks like, and shows a hologram of it before disabling his hologram and leaving them once again alone in the desert. But now the Doctor has hope because, of course, the Ghost Monument is the TARDIS.  The description was of a mysterious object that briefly appears and disappears on a set rotation for as long as anybody can remember. That was enough for the Doctor to make a guess based on her previous tracking, and it explains why her teleportation went wrong. Desolation has fallen out of its orbit, so where she tracked the TARDIS to was no longer with the orbital calculation she had made. The engines are phasing due to the damage from her regeneration, but if she can reach it before it phases out against for another 1000 days, she can fix that and get them all safely off the planet and back to Earth. But they have to get there first, so with the eager consent of the humans (who point out how otherwise competent she has been before the accidental teleport) they agree to catch up to and travel with Epzo and Angstrom since they're all heading to the same place even if only two of them are eligible for Ilin's reward. The two racers are arguing over who gets to use the boat, with Epzo threatening Angstrom with a pistol to try and scare her off. The Doctor arrives annoyed, never a fan of guns in the first place but particularly unimpressed with Epzo who has been rubbing her the wrong way since they first met and she figured out he was deeply self-conscious and puts on a fake front of being a tough-guy. She rolls her eyes and reminds him that Ilin said attacking a fellow competitor was grounds for instant DQ so they ALL know he's not going to use the gun, and when he still doesn't back down she sighs and incapacitates him with a single finger. It's a callback to the days of the Third Doctor, as she explains it is Venusian Akido, and she is a "Grand Master Pacifist". That itself isn't a retcon, the showrunners back in those days had a deep interest in Buddhism and the idea of non-violence, which is why the Doctor would "fight" with throws and tosses that used an assailant's own momentum and violence against them. Chibnall simply takes it to a logical and more modern conclusion, with the Doctor capable of temporarily paralyzing with a simple touch without doing any damage. It turns out the boat doesn't work anyway, which allows time for both the Doctor to discover (and inform the viewer) of the warned of dangers of the planet while Graham and Ryan get some development time to showcase their still awkward relationship now that they no longer have the connecting bridge of Grace. Yaz is the odd one out here, while others get to work actively she is not much more than a sounding board to give us some background to Angstrom and Epzo's character. Graham and Ryan struggle to connect emotionally but do manage to figure out the engine is actually a solar battery that needs simple alignment - they can't figure out how it works but they can figure out how to make it work - the Doctor scans the water and the air and learns the former is full of flesh eating microbes and that the latter is toxic (over a sustained period of time, obviously). Once the battery is aligned properly, they sail out on the water, and Epzo brags about how his mother deliberately let him plummet from a tree and break his bones to teach him you can only ever look out for yourself. They're disgusted by the idea, and Angstrom explains how she's the opposite: she's doing this race to earn enough money to pull her family out of hiding and take them somewhere safe to live. Her planet of Albar is being "cleansed" of her people, and her family have put all their faith and trust in her to succeed at the Rally and get them out. When the river runs out, they disembark and find themselves in the ruins of an abandoned settlement. The Doctor, of course, is fascinated about what happened to them and what happened to this planet, but neither Epzo or Angstrom are bothered. In fact they seem more intrigued by Epzo's self-lighting cigar, which we might as well label as "Chekov's cigar", and they abandon the Doctor and her companions to figure out what to do next. The Doctor, of course, explores, and it is basically at this point in the episode where the jampacked story starts to stretch the stitches on the editing and the writing. Epzo, a supposed master of survival and situational awareness, trips a blatantly obvious security beam that activates sniper robots protecting the ruins. The supposed precision-targeting sniper robots fail to hit the Doctor or any of the humans as they run around in a panic and hide in the half-buried settlement and find themselves in a target range. Ryan declares he's "trained for this" and grabs a gun, ignores the Doctor's protests and rushes out to shoot the robots like he was in a video game, then runs away squealing comically when they get back up to keep fighting. The Doctor moralizes at him, saying guns are never the answer, and figures out how to generate an Electro-Magnetic Pulse to temporarily knock the bots out.   All of this happens super-fast and a little sloppily, and it feels like it is both to fit as much of the story in as possible (one wonders if Chibnall has a script editor who feels they can force necessary cuts on him) as well as cover up for some gaps in the filming. The robots appear directly behind the Doctor and companions in a way they never would have been able to sneak up on anybody, let alone somebody as aware as the Doctor. The moral argument between the Doctor and Ryan comes out of nowhere and demonstrates character traits of Ryan we've never seen before. Yeah he can be impulsive, but militarily aggressive? Though the "don't go on about it" "I WILL go on about it. A lot!" exchange is great at least. Angstrom finds Epzo who took a blast from one of the snipers before taking it out himself, but he refuses her offer of assistance. They meet up with the Doctor who immediately takes control, and this time they don't resist, she just saved them from the bots so they're willing to follow her for now. Having gone through one of the downed bot's systems, she's found a map leading to their command center, and brings them down below the surface into tunnels and a laboratory. After verbally eviscerating Epzo's boorish self-interest and dismissing him to take one of his "heroic naps", the Doctor is able to map the entire tunnel system running under the surface of the planet and find a shortcut to the site of the Ghost Monument. Graham points out to Angstrom that she could get the jump on Epzo and win the race with this info, but she seems reluctant to take this advantage. Before she gets the chance to really think about it, the sound of machinery brings them into the lab where they find inscriptions on the ground. The universal translators embedded in Angstrom and Graham can't translate it, but the Doctor can, and she reads the testimony left by the scientists who used this facility. They lamented that they were taken hostage and forced to turn the planet into a testing site for a variety of monstrous weapons of mass destruction. Finally they could take no more even with their families threatened, and worked to destroy everything before their captors could stop them. Who were the captors? The Stenza. Angstrom is surprised that Graham recognizes that name, and they commiserate together that both their wives were killed by the Stenza. It seems they are the race that is "cleansing" Angstrom's planet, the reason her family are in hiding and she is undertaking the rally to try and save them. In the build-up to this season, Chibnall said he wanted to avoid (this season at least) the big arcs that dominated the RTD and Moffat years. He wanted good standalone episodes with the continuity and development being focused on the characters themselves. It's a laudable goal, but while he largely proved as good as his word he did make a point of establishing in these first two episodes the notion of the Stenza as an alien race deadly on a galactic level, in order to service the big reveal in the finale. I have no objection to that at all, there's just one unfortunate thing... the Stenza are pretty lame. Tzim Sha/Tim Shaw in particular, as Chibnall tried to have his cake and eat it too by making him simultaneously pathetic and lethally competent. So for me at least the namedrop here not only falls flat but instills a sense of resignation that something was in the pipeline that wasn't going to land strong when it finally came. With the benefit of hindsight, that dread was justified. Among the deadly weapons made by these scientists are the "remnants", and they too prove to be far less terrifying than intended. Spotted throughout the entire episode as strips of cloth lying motionless in the desert, they stir into motion at night, and one attempts to strangle Epzo who is only saved by Angstrom having a knife. Ryan and Yaz return from their own exploration to warn that they saw the sniper bots on surveillance camera drawing close, and so they go on the run again until the bots shut down the life-support systems, forcing them to climb a ladder (Ryan and his dyspraxia is very exasparated) into fields of Acetylene the Doctor saw on the maps earlier. There they are menaced by more of the Remnants, which just look kind of silly as they whip about in the air. What's worse is that they "talk" for some reason (are they sentient? They can read minds apparently?) and throw out something that sounds distressingly like the ominous prophesizing disliked so much in the tail end of the Moffat years, mocking the Doctor about "the timeless child" until she blows them up by having Graham snap his fingers to set off Epzo's thrown cigar. As she reminded Ryan who should have known from his mechanic classes, Acetylene is lighter than air and ignites very easily. They crawl along beneath the burning flames, having wiped out all the obstacles that didn't seem to exist for any reason but to pad out the running time of the episode/provide some conflict. The Remnants and the Sniper-Bots were the least interesting part of the episode, and simply got in the way of the far more interesting conflicting philosophies of Epzo and Angstrom, and the eeriness of the Doctor and her companions exploring the desolate remains of a biological weapons testing site.   Angry pepper-pots, sure I can live with that. But evil rhythmic gymnastics ribbons with boundary issues...? I guess eventually they crawl out from under the fire, since morning finds them through the mountains and approaching the holographic tent. But the Ghost Monument is nowhere to be seen and for the first time the Doctor's confidence is shaken. She's been running under the mindset that once she got to the TARDIS everything would be fine, but she never even considered the possibility she might arrive and it simply wouldn't be there. However, in true Doctor fashion even as she's put off-balance she notices an argument and decides to put her own problems aside to find a resolution. Epzo and Angstrom both survived the trip and now have come to the realization that one of them has to get their first. The only thing saving Epzo however is that Angstrom has a degree of empathy, because it's clear she's got the physical edge over him after he took the blast from the sniper bot and could simply break into a light jog and beat him to the tent. Epzo, frantic after coming so far and seeing his hopes and dreams about to be pulled away at the last second argues that they'd ALL be dead if it hadn't been for his cigar, and the Doctor offers a compromise solution. They enter the tent together, declaring themselves joint winners to a disgusted Ilin. He refuses to accept this, and says he'd rather declare the race (and all the sacrifice) null and void, which is where Epzo steps up. He's only a joint winner because Angstrom allowed him to be, so now he uses his own reputation for BOTH their advantage. Leaning in close to Ilin, he promises that if they are abandoned in the planet he will find a way off and find a way to track down Ilin and make the last moments of his life agonizing. It's not exactly an empty threat, Epzo was one of 4000 initial entrants who started with nothing and managed to travel across 12 galaxies (a galaxy is REALLY big!) to get here, it's something he could do. Ilin's tests forged an adversary who could make good on his threat, so he acquiesces and declares Epzo and Angstrom joint winners. They're delighted, and Epzo demands he get them the hell of this monstrous planet, and Angstrom adds in that she wants the Doctor and companions to be saved too. THAT however is a step too far for Ilin, who sneers with contempt and simply states,"No" before waving his hand and... the tent is gone, Epzo and Angstrom are gone, Ilin is gone, and all that is left is the Doctor and her three innocent human friends trapped on a planet designed to kill EVERYTHING.  This proves an odd moment for the Doctor, especially such a new one. Having brought them this far, the Doctor... immediately gives up? Despairing, she doesn't even pretend to buy into her optimistic companions' declaration that they'll simply survive for as long as it takes for the Ghost Monument to return. That could be another 1000 cycles of this planet (which is off its planetary orbit to boot!) and they barely survived a single night. It's a weird attempt to raise the stakes, especially considering she never seems to consider the obvious: that they arrived early as opposed to late. Because suddenly she hears that familiar sound. That wheezing, groaning. That sound that brings hope wherever it goes. To anyone who hears it, however lost. The TARDIS appears and the gobsmacked Doctor lifts her Sonic and attempts to gain control of the engines, to bring them out of phase and solidify it at last in this Time and Space. She succeeds, of course, despite a clumsy bit of dialogue, and the TARDIS - which Graham, Ryan and Yaz earlier saw a hologram of and were confused to see a police box - lands. It's been done up (and lost the St. John's sticker, sadly) but it's always looked beautiful to the Doctor, who welcomes back her "beautiful Ghost Monument" before realizing she's lost her key. Not that it matters, she doesn't even need to snap her fingers, the door opens for her without prompting because it knows exactly who she is, new form be damned. She steps inside, assuring the confused and wary companions that they'll all be able to fit, and we get what is usually one of the best moments for a new Doctor/TARDIS redesign: the moment you see the beautiful new set. Unfortunately for me at least... that last part never comes. Because as much as I love the new visual look of the show (and the great music by Segun Akinola, who has replaced Murray Gold) this new TARDIS redesign really falls flat to me. The interior is too dark, the console is cluttered by the moving "fingers/pillars", the inclusion of a little model TARDIS looks cheap, and the conflicting orange and blue lighting brings to mind generic mid-2000s movie posters. Individual parts work well, but as a whole it is one of the more disappointing new interiors I've seen the show produce, and it's a shame.   I've had a fair bit of criticisms to make about this episode, and I didn't want to end on a negative note. The Ghost Monument isn't a bad episode, but it has problems and they're symptomatic of larger issues throughout the season. None of these things detract from what the show does well however, and what it does well it does VERY well. Whittaker is superb as the Doctor even if there are a couple of writing moments that let her down like her immediate giving up after Ilin abandons them. The show looks great, Ryan and Graham get a lot of chances to shine and play off each other, the guest actors are a treat, the show is extremely watchable. This is the "worst" episode of Chibnall's time as showrunner so far (two episodes in!) but it is far superior to almost everything he wrote under the regimes of RTD and Moffat. If this was the baseline going forward, it wouldn't be a bad thing, and there remains plenty of time to develop those parts that don't work. Just give Yaz something more to do, please! Index of Doctor Who Write-ups for Television Episodes/Big Finish Audio Stories.
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Voting Floater posted:I grinned when Jodie said "that's Ace!" because I am a silly man. Another piece of cast-iron evidence that Sophie Aldred will be in an episode this season. Edit: It’s definitely happening Edit 2: Shut up. It is.
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Jerusalem posted:unpleasant flashbacks to The Greatest Show in the Galaxy Them's fighting words.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Them's fighting words. You may have enjoyed it but the Doctor probably wasn't thrilling to the idea of having to put on a variety show for the 
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Jerusalem posted:You may have enjoyed it but the Doctor probably wasn't thrilling to the idea of having to put on a variety show for the Nah, it was all a part of her plan. Wheels within wheels. I mean, that's the real cosmic horror of that story. The audience is never defeated, they're just placated for a while. It'll be the show that fails before the audience does. Maybe the Doctor never left that tent, and she's still just back there, performing forever...
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Open Source Idiom posted:Maybe the Doctor never left that tent, and she's still just back there, performing forever... "For your own sake, understand this: I am the Doctor, I'm coming to find you and I will never, ever stop" *pulls egg out of mouth*
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Jerusalem posted:Unfortunately for me at least... that last part never comes. Because as much as I love the new visual look of the show (and the great music by Segun Akinola, who has replaced Murray Gold) this new TARDIS redesign really falls flat to me. The interior is too dark, the console is cluttered by the moving "fingers/pillars", the inclusion of a little model TARDIS looks cheap, and the conflicting orange and blue lighting brings to mind generic mid-2000s movie posters. Individual parts work well, but as a whole it is one of the more disappointing new interiors I've seen the show produce, and it's a shame. Yeah, the new TARDIS set is really, really awful. It's like the Coral set, except made with half the budget, and the pillars just look like wobbly fiberglass turds.
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Dec 8, 2019 21:30
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Not enough round things.
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Dec 8, 2019 21:39
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A point of differentiation is good I suppose, but after the open, airy, bright consoles of 11 and 12 to go to dark and cramped (around the console, then a giant dark space of nothing all around it) felt like a real misstep to me. On the flip side, the new opening credits/theme absolutely loving rule.
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The TARDIS also just doesn't really fit 13's personality. The console feels basically fine in being a scatty jumble, although I agree about the mini-TARDIS on it being tacky and cheap-looking. The massive dark void feels tonally jarring though and the weird crystal fingers feel too alien for a reasonably grounded Doctor. I'd probably have gone in completely the opposite direction and had something really warm and cozy. I'm hopeful from the trailers that we're going to see it lit differently in the new series and that might help.
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Give me giant console rooms again, I’m tired of cramped small stuff. It’s tough to beat 11’s original copper and glass room or 7/8’s Victorian study.
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The TVMovie console is objectively the best console room. The Capaldi iteration of the 11/12 is 2nd best.
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I still say the sets from The Tsuranga Conundrum would have been great console room designs.
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Or this one
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The_Doctor posted:The TVMovie console is objectively the best console room. The Capaldi iteration of the 11/12 is 2nd best.
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Davros1 posted:I still say the sets from The Tsuranga Conundrum would have been great console room designs. If they’d released that as a pre-series screenshot, we’d all assume it was a TARDIS. The other one with its slightly dirty looking core/time rotor is very Master. WSAENOTSOCK posted:You and I have the exact same taste in Tardis interiors.  The thing I love about both is the sense of space. The TVMovie one is vast, with all sorts of nooks and crannies. The Capaldi one has a great sense of verticality. You come in at the mid-level, and the space goes both up and down from that point. This is it from the outside: 
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Davros1 posted:I still say the sets from The Tsuranga Conundrum would have been great console room designs. This would make a great modern update of the pre 1996 console rooms. Big Mean Jerk posted:It’s tough to beat 11’s original copper and glass room  This may be my all time favorite.
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My main problem with the Tsuranga room as a TARDIS interior is that it feels really specifically dated, and not in a good way. Like, if we got that then we'd be specifically seeing it as 'that late 2010s-early 2020s TARDIS' afterwards. I like Thirteen's TARDIS design well enough, but that might be in large part because we're not spending that much time in it. It doesn't have a lot of space for people to be or things for people to do (the real benefits of Eleven's first room and Twelve's room respectively), but they aren't really spending enough time in the TARDIS for that to actually hurt.
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The_Doctor posted:The thing I love about both is the sense of space. The TVMovie one is vast, with all sorts of nooks and crannies. The Capaldi one has a great sense of verticality. You come in at the mid-level, and the space goes both up and down from that point. 12's Eleven Tardis had a Jules Verne quality to it that reminded me quite a lot of Myst and its sequels. Both seem more like homes more than any of the other Tardises, which felt like workplaces. They humanized the Doctor.
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The Tsuranga room is too barebones and antiseptic for my liking. I do dig the brightness, but I'm a big fan of the modern TARDIS consoles largely looking like they have been cobbled together with whatever spare parts can be incorporated into the design by a machine that's living many, many eons beyond its supposed use-by date.
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The Tsuranga room I could see as someone else’s TARDIS, like a type 98 or something. It’s got the same stark white look as the timescoop room on Gallifrey in Hell Bent.
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Dec 9, 2019 10:40
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Round. Things.
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Rhyno posted:Round. What even are the round things?
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I, personally, rather like 13's Himalayan Salt Lamp interior. It gives the TARDIS an organic vibe we've never seen before but I agree that it is too dark.
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The bouncing fingers look really bad.
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I've said it numerous times but Twelve's evolved library/study control room is my absolute favorite of the revival. When Eleven opened that door the first time it was like going home again. And then Ten's reaction to it just seals it as the best.
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Main issue with 13's TARDIS is just the lighting and framing Hopefully it gets homier as the series progress https://twitter.com/DoctorWhoPN/status/1204005720070541312
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Tom's the best. "I haven't seen her but she's lovely, shut up."
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Oh, it's a premium article Nice, thanks
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https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1204127586659553286?s=20
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https://twitter.com/DWBBCBooks/status/1204406951406456833?s=20
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So 4 of those are just reprints?
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The_Doctor posted:So 4 of those are just reprints? Yeah
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Fun fact: Gary Russel's adaptation of the movie was based on an earlier draft of the script, and hence features the revelation that it wasn't a hail of bullets that killed the Seventh Doctor, but actually Grace's attempts to save his life. Which makes her, what, the second companion to inadvertently kill the Doctor (after Mel and her exercise bike).
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Open Source Idiom posted:Fun fact: Gary Russel's adaptation of the movie was based on an earlier draft of the script, and hence features the revelation that it wasn't a hail of bullets that killed the Seventh Doctor, but actually Grace's attempts to save his life. Which makes her, what, the second companion to inadvertently kill the Doctor (after Mel and her exercise bike). Having recently re-watched it, over 20 years later  , I thought that this was pretty explicit in the movie too?
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Barry the Sprout posted:Having recently re-watched it, over 20 years later Yeah, that's how it played out.
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Dec 10, 2019 23:07
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Yeah, 8 says ‘the anaesthetic almost destroyed the regenerative process’.
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Dec 10, 2019 23:09
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Guess who's not watched that film in ages. This guy! I love all the ways the BBC novels spun out from the TV Movie, and the way they (and some early Big Finish) would occasionally reference and play with the more unique elements of the show seen there. The OrmanBlum / Lawrence Miles explanation for the half human thing, for instance, ended up being pretty cool IIRC, (though I guess the thread shouldn't necessarily trust my memory as far as this goes lol). Plus there was at least one novel that reused the time rewinding trick from the film.
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Dec 10, 2019 23:20
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Doctor Who and the TV Movie
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Grace:1999
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