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I like this show because even though I'm extremely dumb I always feel a bit smarter after listening.
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i literally can't shut up about this show to anyone who will listen so very excited for this thread for those of you like me who wish there was more than one episode a week, adam johnson has a very active twitter account (@adamjohnsonnyc) that's generally pretty fun and informative to scroll through, and his work at FAIR is also (imo) equally as good as the show though shorter and therefore a bit less in depth. for example: https://fair.org/home/wapo-usa-today-nbc-go-full-breitbart-on-prisoners-eating-steak-non-story/ the whole article is pretty good, but i think the most interesting part may actually be buried near the bottom: Adam Johnson posted:It’s likely not a coincidence that these articles started coming out less than 48 hours after the release of a federal report (New York Times, 1/4/19) that showed rampant abuse and sexual violence in federal prisons, with the steak-serving Coleman prison highlighted:
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Jan 11, 2019 06:53
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One thing I liked about the Toure interview is that Toure basically made explicit what a lot of liberals (like the folks who tend to argue in D&D, etc) avoid saying outright; that they just view the left as "immature," in a way that is virtually identical to the way conservatives view liberals. There's no logic behind it; just a gut feeling that not accepting the status quo is a sign of immaturity. When you're immersed in those environments, like Toure was/is (and like many of the sort of people I'm talking about are, since they almost invariably work in some sort of white collar professional field), you generally get a sense that institutions (and thus the status quo) are relatively competent and good, even if they're imperfect, and that the people criticizing them are just ignorant laypeople who don't understand that. It's hard for them to comprehend that institutions that feel "normal" to them, and consist of people they identify as intelligent/good, can be truly evil/harmful.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:25
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Ytlaya posted:One thing I liked about the Toure interview is that Toure basically made explicit what a lot of liberals (like the folks who tend to argue in D&D, etc) avoid saying outright; that they just view the left as "immature," in a way that is virtually identical to the way conservatives view liberals. There's no logic behind it; just a gut feeling that not accepting the status quo is a sign of immaturity. Recently in the DSA thread there was discussion of sectarian battles in the East Bay DSA and of the two groups, one of them was effectively positioning themselves as the realistic pragmatists who had solutions that could actually pass, versus those silly idealists who want to support things like police abolition or BDS. They stopped just short of calling their opponents SJW snowflakes. I think this kind of framing is common to people who are attacking their opposition from the right - the more centrist or right-wing position relatively is cast as fundamentally more serious and pragmatic and anyone to your left is just so goddamn crazy and naive.
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Jan 11, 2019 18:32
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There's a new episode, and it handles the spicy issue of "nation of immigrant" rhetoric and how that whitewashes America's nature as a settler-colonial state.
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Jan 16, 2019 20:46
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Huh, I never woulda thought there'd be a Street Fight / Citations crossover, but it sounds like two great tastes that taste great together!
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Jan 25, 2019 01:40
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lol that happened quick https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1080367777712689152
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Jan 25, 2019 01:41
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I was vaguely aware that the lottery was regressive, but gently caress me I had no idea it was that bad. “gently caress me I had no idea was that bad” is basically my review or every CN episode.
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Jan 25, 2019 22:19
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Pro thread. Thanks for making it. I also can't shut the hell up about this podcast anytime podcasts come up (sometimes even when they don't). Liberal deprogramming at its finest. The topics they choose for their (almost) weekly episodes are incredibly on point, and always about something you always thought was lovely but perhaps could never really articulate why. Copaganda is one of my new favorite terms, and I heard it from Citations Needed. I highly recommend Episode 54: Local 'Crime' Reporting as Police Stenography as an introduction for anyone who might be leaning more to the left after all the various shitshows of the past few years. It helps explain why poo poo like COPS has been so enduringly popular and Live PD has had so much success. I hate them both.
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Jan 25, 2019 23:08
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol that happened quick which Street Fights do they dunk on Rowe? I fuckin hate that dude but forgot SF did episodes about him.
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Jan 26, 2019 00:16
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I know there there was one specifically called gently caress Mike Rowe or something like that.
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Jan 26, 2019 00:35
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http://www.streetfightradio.com/show/mike-rowe-wants-you-to-sweat/ If there are others that anyone else knows of, please share.
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Jan 26, 2019 00:52
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An episode about Mike Rowe? 
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Jan 30, 2019 18:12
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A very good episode about Mike Rowe! My blind spot to popular media made this an entirely new subject to me and it was absolutely infuriating. I wanted to smash my headphones when Nima was reading the sweat doctrine or whatever the gently caress that was.
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nearly killed em! posted:A very good episode about Mike Rowe! My blind spot to popular media made this an entirely new subject to me and it was absolutely infuriating. I wanted to smash my headphones when Nima was reading the sweat doctrine or whatever the gently caress that was. you're a lucky goon if u haven't had to deal with a Old Relative maundering on about how young people have it so easy just go swim in pig poo poo for pennies my day uphill both ways etc. in the context of "but Mike Rowe does it!!" my family has alive 70 year old union members and they still go in on his poo poo, so their point about Rowe having an insidious appeal is spot the gently caress on
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Feb 1, 2019 18:28
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He was a big hit when I was going through the Scouts as well so I can see the real cross over between red state folks and home depot democrats that they were talking about. But even my Texan kin went "wtf are you talking about with this safety third bullshit" so I guess it doesn't work on everyone...? I hadn't even considered how he dismissed service jobs when I first watched him either.
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Feb 2, 2019 03:11
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I haven’t been able to keep up with the most recent episodes or update the newest episode post because I got a new job and work more than five days in a row without a day off (  ) but on Monday I will try and catch up.
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Feb 2, 2019 17:35
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mike rowe ep was real good
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Feb 7, 2019 06:54
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Summary of new episode: https://youtu.be/95HYKW3kTaY Its good
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Feb 7, 2019 16:10
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"News Brief: Let's Relitigate the poo poo Out of 2016 -- with Thomas Frank" Oh boy, this is gonna be good. 
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Mar 1, 2019 03:43
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King of Solomon posted:"News Brief: Let's Relitigate the poo poo Out of 2016 -- with Thomas Frank" Don’t know about that. Frank spent the mid 2000’s making the astoundingly dumb argument that Kansans were essentially incapable of racism and morally pure compared to the coasts. Then 2016 broke what was left of his brain.
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Mar 1, 2019 04:08
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I was surprised by how openly contemptuous Adam was when mispronouncing "Beto". I mean they do that kind of thing on Chapo all the time but it was nice to see it here too.
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Pomplamoose posted:I was surprised by how openly contemptuous Adam was when mispronouncing "Beto". I mean they do that kind of thing on Chapo all the time but it was nice to see it here too. He tweeted about it lol. I’m really sorry I haven’t been updating the thread, I’ve been busy with work. I’ll probably listen to the podcast next week at work because I’ll be overnight again and no one is gonna come around and hear my dirty commie show and ask questions.
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Marlows posted:Don’t know about that. Frank spent the mid 2000’s making the astoundingly dumb argument that Kansans were essentially incapable of racism and morally pure compared to the coasts. Then 2016 broke what was left of his brain. It was fine. They spent the episode basically saying the idea that Sanders hadn't been vetted in 2016 was bullshit and the media sucked in 2016, pretty standard Citations Needed fare.
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Mar 2, 2019 00:46
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thomas frank is usually pretty good imo
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THS posted:thomas frank is usually pretty good imo Yeah, Listen Liberal is basically essential reading.
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Mar 2, 2019 00:55
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I didn't even notice, but News Brief: Let's Relitigate the poo poo Out of 2016 -- with Thomas Frank is, in fact, public! Check it out everyone.
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Mar 2, 2019 03:59
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Ytlaya posted:One thing I liked about the Toure interview is that Toure basically made explicit what a lot of liberals (like the folks who tend to argue in D&D, etc) avoid saying outright; that they just view the left as "immature," in a way that is virtually identical to the way conservatives view liberals. There's no logic behind it; just a gut feeling that not accepting the status quo is a sign of immaturity. I just listened to this episode and this dude was infuriating in his naivete/willful denseness. At one point he says something like "Well you can't say 'the US military made a mistake' you'd be laughed out of the room!" when discussing being in the pre-production meetings and it's like, yea dude, that's the whole loving problem, that you're surrounded by people who would consider that idea laughable and there's literally no one going "Wait, but that's the truth, the military did make a mistake, aren't we the news, why can't we tell people that?" "We have to keep chasing CNN's ratings because capitalism!!!!" was his comeback to everything and it's like no loving poo poo dude, that's not an excuse for being garbage, well it is, but it shouldn't be one you're comfortable with. The whole point of media is to speak truth to power, but in his mind, it's just all about the 
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Mar 7, 2019 12:47
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The most annoying part of it is ho he keeps insisting that no, it's not just about better ratings, while basically saying that yes, all that matters is ratings.
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Mar 7, 2019 13:34
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I am still mystified by the fact that he had no idea that Yemen was not a part of Africa, and impressed with Adam Johnson for not going for the easy take-down when there was a lot more ideology to extract from the guy.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:29
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Episode 69 is out. https://twitter.com/CitationsPod/status/1105846418940575744
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Mar 13, 2019 17:19
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Mar 13, 2019 17:50
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Ashley Feinberg rules.
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Mar 14, 2019 00:42
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yellowcar posted:Ashley Feinberg rules.
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Mar 14, 2019 00:43
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Took another listen to both msnbc episodes after this: https://www.thedailybeast.com/msnbcs-trump-russia-ratings-juggernaut-fizzles-time-to-pivot-to-2020 loving lmao at msnbc, they deserve this
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Took another listen to both msnbc episodes after this: Honestly I'd bet they'll be fine, it's like birtherism where as long as you cloak what somebody fundamentally believes to be true (Trump is a terrible president) with whatever justifications require the least bending of pre-existing worldviews (its not structural failings, its the RUSSIANS), reality is totally tertiary.
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These last two episodes have been fantastic and I wish there was a good condensed version of then I could link people.
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fool_of_sound posted:These last two episodes have been fantastic and I wish there was a good condensed version of then I could link people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY
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I had not seen the John Stossel slap video before it is indeed excellent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrX9Ca7LSyQ
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