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KPC_Mammon
Jan 23, 2004

Ready for the fashy circle jerk
How do people generally use crownfalls? Is it mostly for investors and tourists?

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WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
Lots and lots and even more wheat in the corners.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

KPC_Mammon posted:

How do people generally use crownfalls? Is it mostly for investors and tourists?

All kinds of ways, it’s a very flexible place.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no
But yeah, like the stereotypical idea of a large city. Dense wealthy housing on the big flat plain near the shore (and maybe a ritzy neighborhood on the rises to the west), with outlying villages, industry, and farms for the peons.

Edit: both my old world regions seem to always end up with a Beer Island.

metasynthetic
Dec 2, 2005

in one moment, Earth

in the next, Heaven

Megamarm
Finally picked this up after being on the fence for years. I put in a few hundred hours combined in 2070 and 2205, but I hated the campaign / lack of sandbox mode in 2205, so I just jumped straight into sandbox here. Am I missing out on anything important in campaign mode besides excessive handholding?

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Nope! Like maybe 1-2 cosmetic thingies aside from ingame achievements/rewards.

webmeister
Jan 31, 2007

The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.
Nah not really. The campaign is largely a guided tutorial, with a story that prompts you to learn new concepts/develop certain things. You'll miss out on cheevos but that may or may not be a problem for you!

metasynthetic
Dec 2, 2005

in one moment, Earth

in the next, Heaven

Megamarm
Thanks guys. As long as there's no functional rewards or really specific setting information I'd be confused without, I'm good.

Is there any way to control the specific route a trade route takes? Von Malching wardecced me and his main island in the Old World is directly on the auto-generated path my New World trade routes take and it has completely stopped my progress while I shift my focus to coordinating warfleet movements. Also, is there a way to force ships on inter-region trade routes to convoy up like with the fleet command?

edit: Just noticed the pin along the map edge in the trade screen. Is there no way to insert another pin halfway to allow a little finer control?

metasynthetic fucked around with this message at 09:52 on Nov 9, 2023

Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

There's a bit of weirdness if you don't play the campaign because some of the dlc's dialog/plot seem to assume you do - no effect on gameplay though.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I realized I never bought Bright Harvest so I grabbed that and started a new game, I like that BH has decorative tiles to put down like fences and stuff instead of the earlier DLC's that were, like, billboards? Are there other DLC's to grab that would add more decorative stuff like this?

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

yeah. like all of them

https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/p/anno-1800--seasonal-decorations for example

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe
That kind of stuff is why it makes the most sense to me to buy the season passes - they're essentially equivalent in price to buying the major DLC packs they contain individually, and then you get all the cosmetic stuff for free on top of it.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Goddamnit, I was trying to avoid that but you might be right. I have season 1 but none of the others.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



The worst thing about this game?

All four seasons are good

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Yeah. I bought em. :shepspends:

Single Tight Female
Jan 17, 2008
For the cosmetic packs specifically, Pedestrian Zone and National Park both have really good modular ornaments (canals and lakes respectively) that are well worth a grab.

Old Town has two types of modular castle walls and new building skins (there's also modpack that builds on it) that work well for lower tier areas.


What do people think of the Fiesta Pack? Last time I spruced up the new world it felt a little lacking, you get the season 4 stuff and that's about it.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR
Well! I got an achievement that only 2.6% of players got. Tied 20 factories to electricity on the New World. See hanging around you folks, I many times feel like I suck at the game, but maybe not!!! :)

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I love playing this with all of the competitors turned off so it's just me and the traders/pirates. I have a hard enough time wrapping my head around a lot of this game sometimes so being able to do it without the added time pressure of needing to snatch up other islands before other people do is :discourse:

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Single Tight Female posted:

For the cosmetic packs specifically, Pedestrian Zone and National Park both have really good modular ornaments (canals and lakes respectively) that are well worth a grab.

Old Town has two types of modular castle walls and new building skins (there's also modpack that builds on it) that work well for lower tier areas.


What do people think of the Fiesta Pack? Last time I spruced up the new world it felt a little lacking, you get the season 4 stuff and that's about it.

Dunno about the Fiesta pack but honestly the more packs you have the more they build off of each other.

Also I'd suggest the Industrial Zone pack for blighted industrial wastelands that, mechanics wise, actually make your island more beautiful.

Eschatos
Apr 10, 2013


pictured: Big Cum's Most Monstrous Ambassador

explosivo posted:

I love playing this with all of the competitors turned off so it's just me and the traders/pirates. I have a hard enough time wrapping my head around a lot of this game sometimes so being able to do it without the added time pressure of needing to snatch up other islands before other people do is :discourse:

Yeah I do the same. I got my fill of wars the first few runs and now I just like to take it easy building however I please.

metasynthetic
Dec 2, 2005

in one moment, Earth

in the next, Heaven

Megamarm
Yeah, this on/off war with Von Malching I've had in my first game has been pretty annoying. He's got way more of everything than me, including tech, and I'm just lucky the AI isn't actually that aggressive or coordinated. I just got my first engineers, I think I'm going to press on to get at least my first investors, then probably restart and fiddle with the game settings now that I'm starting to understand the game basics and what I want out of it. Which is probably going to include not totally turning off the AI players, but doing something about their aggressiveness / expansion speed so I'm not super outclassed like I have been.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I saw all the nice little things in the pedestrian pack after buying it and decided to cough up another $15 for gardens, industrial zone, and old town.

Single Tight Female
Jan 17, 2008

Alkydere posted:

Dunno about the Fiesta pack but honestly the more packs you have the more they build off of each other.

Yeah I love combining National Parks and Old Town to make castles with a moat. I was wondering about the Fiesta pack because I've been doing the New World Tourism mod recently and it's hard to do NW beauty building with just the ornaments that came in Season 4, without it ending up looking like the Old World anyway.


Completely unrelated, here's a tiny island build I did earlier this year. IIRC this was a single island game until Engineers? and the only mods were skins for the Church and Town Hall. I really don't remember but I think it's very cute and really stretches the limit of what you can do with specialists.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR
Is it worth doing the commuter piers in the New World?

E: Realize now this is probably a dumb question as I thought you had to have the workforce on the island to build the platform. You don't, all you need is the goods to build it with. They actually did something that made sense!

Mayveena fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 12, 2023

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Is there any way to do a trade route where something only gets sent to another island if stock surpasses a certain amount? I think I always struggle in Anno when it comes to managing multiple islands because I can never figure out a good way to automate sharing of resources between islands without accidentally pulling too much out of one. Like I have plank making going on a second island but it would be nice to be able to supplement that by distributing any extras from my main island instead of selling when I reach capacity for something.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

explosivo posted:

Is there any way to do a trade route where something only gets sent to another island if stock surpasses a certain amount? I think I always struggle in Anno when it comes to managing multiple islands because I can never figure out a good way to automate sharing of resources between islands without accidentally pulling too much out of one. Like I have plank making going on a second island but it would be nice to be able to supplement that by distributing any extras from my main island instead of selling when I reach capacity for something.

You need to set minimums at each place where you want to have stock. For example when shipping rum and coffee I always set minimums so the trading place still has what it needs. It's in the warehouse menu, you access it by clicking on the item.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Mayveena posted:

You need to set minimums at each place where you want to have stock. For example when shipping rum and coffee I always set minimums so the trading place still has what it needs. It's in the warehouse menu, you access it by clicking on the item.

Oh my god it's been right there the whole time :doh:

Thank you!

Edit: All of these cosmetic packs I think have added the secret sauce I was missing in this game. It's very nice being able to gussy everything up and make it look and feel more like a city as opposed to dragging out grids in optimal layouts to get the most bonuses every time and every house looking exactly the same no matter where it is.

explosivo fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Nov 12, 2023

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Mayveena posted:

Is it worth doing the commuter piers in the New World?

E: Realize now this is probably a dumb question as I thought you had to have the workforce on the island to build the platform. You don't, all you need is the goods to build it with. They actually did something that made sense!

Commuter Piers in the New World? You mean the airship dock upgrades? Yeah they're absolutely worth it. With commuter piers/commuter airship platforms not only do you get to move the surplus around and focus on each island mainly supplying jornaleros, obreros and artistas but you also get the free workforce from each island that you get from your influence bonus from owning a lot of islands. So that +50/100/200 per island gets bundled together and shipped about where needed.

Especially since, as you figured out, you only need to reach the population requirement for any building once. Then you can build it anywhere you want if you have the construction supplies.

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Alkydere posted:

Commuter Piers in the New World? You mean the airship dock upgrades? Yeah they're absolutely worth it. With commuter piers/commuter airship platforms not only do you get to move the surplus around and focus on each island mainly supplying jornaleros, obreros and artistas but you also get the free workforce from each island that you get from your influence bonus from owning a lot of islands. So that +50/100/200 per island gets bundled together and shipped about where needed.

Especially since, as you figured out, you only need to reach the population requirement for any building once. Then you can build it anywhere you want if you have the construction supplies.

One thing that's disappointing (but expected I guess) is that the Hacienda population doesn't follow, meaning that you can't really use the additional islands to expand haciendas. I'm probably going to regroup some of those productions to make Manola's Haciendas to produce only those things that are Hacienda specific.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.



Oh yeah, Haciendas are their own thing and island specific.

I found it good to go "Okay, this island is a Jornalero Island" or "This is an Obrero Island" and make the Haciendas specifically for that. Manola is obviously the Artista island much how Crown Falls is the Skyscraper/Investor island unless you play without it.

Caconym
Feb 12, 2013

Haciendas max out at 1200 population IIRC, so it's pretty easy to just have a small village of journaleros, easily fitting in a single town hall radius, on each island.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I'm taking my game much slower this time and am definitely enjoying myself a lot more. I've added on a ton of new DLC's since last time I played so taking it especially slow because of all the new mechanics. After playing a ton of CS2 I'm instinctively hitting Space to pause time when I get an alert for something so I had to move the keybind for the world view somewhere else. The game's already running at normal speed which is pretty slow but I would like to be able to plan stuff while the game is paused, especially once I'm managing multiple islands across multiple regions.

I haven't been to the new world yet this run but I am pretty far into Enbesa and the canal digging and stuff is pretty neat. I find the "click on this person to learn about X" or "find the 3 macguffins and click on them (btw here they are)" quests to be pretty onerous though and there seems to be a lot of that. I got stuff to do I can't be clicking on all your bookshelves!!

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

explosivo posted:

I'm taking my game much slower this time and am definitely enjoying myself a lot more. I've added on a ton of new DLC's since last time I played so taking it especially slow because of all the new mechanics. After playing a ton of CS2 I'm instinctively hitting Space to pause time when I get an alert for something so I had to move the keybind for the world view somewhere else. The game's already running at normal speed which is pretty slow but I would like to be able to plan stuff while the game is paused, especially once I'm managing multiple islands across multiple regions.

I haven't been to the new world yet this run but I am pretty far into Enbesa and the canal digging and stuff is pretty neat. I find the "click on this person to learn about X" or "find the 3 macguffins and click on them (btw here they are)" quests to be pretty onerous though and there seems to be a lot of that. I got stuff to do I can't be clicking on all your bookshelves!!

You're using a mod to pause? You can't pause in vanilla, only go very very slowly. I'm not familiar with the mod scene which is why I'm asking.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Mayveena posted:

You're using a mod to pause? You can't pause in vanilla, only go very very slowly. I'm not familiar with the mod scene which is why I'm asking.

No sorry there's a pause button but it's not one that you can do anything while paused. I have been playing CS2 which has a pause feature that allows you to make adjustments before resuming the game and so it's a bit of a muscle memory for me to mash space when I get a notification about a brewery that exploded or something. I would like it if there was a way to do something similar in this game when there's a lot going on but the best you can do is to change it to slow speed.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

You can pause the game with the vanilla controls but the entire functional UI disappears so you can’t even, like, look at costs and poo poo.

You’re intended to have the game always running, even if it’s on Slow

Mayveena
Dec 27, 2006

People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

LonsomeSon posted:

You can pause the game with the vanilla controls but the entire functional UI disappears so you can’t even, like, look at costs and poo poo.

You’re intended to have the game always running, even if it’s on Slow

I think it was more of a problem before they added very slow. Very slow works well for me at least. I don't need to completely pause.

explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Mayveena posted:

I think it was more of a problem before they added very slow. Very slow works well for me at least. I don't need to completely pause.

Yeah this has worked for me. Honestly I've been playing in normal speed the whole time and it's never really an issue it's just something I have to stop myself from doing.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Uh-huh, Pause seems to be a holdover from a time when it was expected that video games would have it, even if they were PC games with a menu screen and not early console games.

Anno is really loving old

Kaiser Schnitzel
Mar 29, 2006

Schnitzel mit uns


The lack of a working pause drove me crazy for a long time until I finally realized that, especially if you play with no/easy AI's, basically nothing terrible will happen. You can spend and hour zoomed in setting up a production line or decorating or whatever and completely ignoring all your other islands and it'll all be okay. Like maybe a production line breaks down because of a fire or you hosed up the shipping but short of losing some money, there aren't many consequences. The lost population will come back, the money will come back.

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explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

I am approaching the point of my game where seemingly out of nowhere everything goes to poo poo and my balance goes deep into the red and it really feels insurmountable so I save and quit and usually don't come back. I guess I expanded too much too fast but also didn't realize that I had a festival going while I expanded so when it ended I was like -950 immediately. Maybe there's a better way to see details of my balance at any given time but it really feels like that number fluctuates so much that it's hard to get an idea of how well I'm actually doing, and when I'm already scraping the bottom of the barrel with my cash dipping into the red by a couple hundred will make that 30k disappear quickly.

Honestly I've learned a lot this game, I'm actively monitoring the production ratios and quantity on hand a lot more, but it still feels like once one spinning plate slows down I start to lose it until it all goes to poo poo. Might just start a new game! (assuming I'll eventually lose if I go broke)

Edit: to be clear I'm not blaming the game for this, it's truly great I just can barely keep it together past artisans lol

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