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The Archaic posted:I managed to unionize my work place, with the help of some other coworkers, as well as a couple other competing companies in our industry, and by the end of this year we're on track to control 60-70% of the market for our industry (consultant archaeology in Ontario). Archaeology is a mandatory government regulated industry required for development, and it can't be automated or outsourced. Collective bargaining agreements begin this winter, and I'm hella nervous about it. This is super cool and I am proud of you. Actually walking the walk to get your workplace and several others in a particular industry unionized is amazing. From one union brother to another, great job.
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What's a good script to use for cold calling local business owners and ask them if they'd like to donate their businesses to the Communist party, saying they'll be remembered as "one of the good ones".
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Solid Poopsnake posted:my wife Is she a cyberpunk now?? 
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Apr 9, 2019 02:07
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I've been having pretty good luck getting people to rant about how much work sucks and is all hosed up, then laughing at some shared acquaintance who has gone insane on Facebook, then saying the same thing basically happened to me and welp now I'm a communist. Just throw that out there like it's normal and go on to say that the only real difference is that while the insane person believes in magic or weird Internet cults or killing black people/Jews/immigrants, I just blame rich people. No one has disowned me yet, which is kind of nice.
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I was at physical therapy yesterday and a teenage girl was relating that in history class they learned that FDR had a mistress. I asked if they taught her about the Business Plot, and she asked what it was, so I told her about it, and that the Bush family was involved and that nobody was ever prosecuted. Then an old lady told me I had a good storytelling voice. 
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Apr 10, 2019 00:38
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redsniper posted:Is she a cyberpunk now?? Yes.
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Irl whenever people try to talk to me about politics I just smile and nod and pretend I agree with them in hopes that they'll drop it and we can talk about something more interesting like sports or tv, or ideally just stop talking period.
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May 30, 2019 18:49
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My head tilts back and my mouth opens all the way like the dude from the old reach toothbrush ad and I emit the emergency broadcast tone, followed by a screed about how we create value and what modern monetary theory is.
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May 30, 2019 22:03
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General Dog posted:Irl whenever people try to talk to me about politics I just smile and nod and pretend I agree with them in hopes that they'll drop it and we can talk about something more interesting like sports or tv, or ideally just stop talking period. Coward
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Jun 3, 2019 02:54
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i just recite Proudhon's description of what it is to be governed until they leave, call the police, or i get asked to leave the dennys.
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Ok, I'm terrible at words. I was talking to a friend about M4A and here's his argument against it that I need help with. 1. His employer pays for his insurance so he doesn't need it. 2. The government runs the VA, and we all know that it sucks. Why should we give them control over everything? 3. Hospitals/Doctors would still charge too much for everything and the country would go broke. 4. People who don't have insurance can still go to the doctor and get treatment now. He did agree that maybe we could lower the age for medicare down to 55, and it would be cool if people didn't go bankrupt because of a surgery, so I think I might be able to convince him. Help me.
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spacetoaster posted:Ok, I'm terrible at words. I was talking to a friend about M4A and here's his argument against it that I need help with. Addamere posted:I am certified 100% broke brains by the VA, so I not only pay nothing for medical but also for dental and vision and hearing and anything else insurance companies try to partition off into discrete scams. The only paperwork I ever see is the basic intake questionnaire about describing symptoms and rating pain, etc., and any drug or home therapy instructions on my discharge paperwork after a visit.
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spacetoaster posted:Ok, I'm terrible at words. I was talking to a friend about M4A and here's his argument against it that I need help with. 1: So what happens if he ever loses his job? Wouldn't he be screwed then? Also does his insurance not have copays and deductibles, because those would be eliminated under M4A. 2: The government doesn't run the hospitals under M4A, it just pays the bills. 3: If the government is the only one that pays the bills, it means the government has the doctors and hospitals by the balls and can negotiate down prices something fierce. Like, what are the hospitals going to do, not do business with the only customer in town? Are all the doctors gonna leave their well-paid and well-respected jobs to become street sweepers or something? 4: And get bankrupted by the costs. Basically, if it was a viable option to just go to the doctor, then why do people have insurance in the first place?
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Cerebral Bore posted:1: So what happens if he ever loses his job? Wouldn't he be screwed then? Also does his insurance not have copays and deductibles, because those would be eliminated under M4A. This is great, thank you. Me too bro. Me too. My experience with the VA has been pretty good, but he kept throwing horror stories that he saw on facebook, or somewhere, at me.
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i kind of have a weird reverse problem most of you have. my family is working class. my dad (highly talented stemlord but without a college degree, though he taught night classes at one point lol) and my tia (esl teacher) are the only ones who have any secondary school at all. i suppose my grandfather can be considered a working professional too. he does wedding photos and resumes for people in specialized careers. so the big battle for me with family isnt getting them to recognize the bougioise as the enemy, its getting them to realize that working people have power. except my for tia, they've mostly only worked in un-unionized industries, or ones like construction which is famously lovely good ol boys club around here. so its funny. Even with friends I'm just fighting an uphill battle against nihilism, which is tough because I feel like theres no point to any of this myself. i havent yet figured out a solution to this. when it comes to talking government though I do like to point out how the pre-civil-war Soviets were very nearly a direct democracy, and they did it with people holding proxy votes from lower Soviets and telegraphs. it could totally get done today.
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Andrew Klavan video recommended by my dad. I watched it and he was vague about who he was referencing when saying "the left", repeating unsubstantiated/false claims (conservative college students needing to lie on term papers to appease their liberal professors; online censorship against the right and not the left; racism doesn't exist [but he says it does later on]; etc), the usual smooth talking that doesn't stand up to 2 seconds thought or confirmation of facts. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl2RTAatBNg I took the time to respond in detail to a different video my dad sent refuting Trump's racism as presented by conservative black man, but it really only was a 40 year montage of Democrats saying things were racist as "proof". And I went on to describe how Trump was stoking xenophobia, and that DHS press release with the fourteen words. Anyway, I don't know how much effort I should be putting into this  Not sure what I could throw back at him for him to digest. He was more compassionate in the past, but the last time I saw him he was referring to detained migrants as a horde and seemed to have been tricked into believing elected Democrats were proposing open borders. Any recommendations?
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How old is he?
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Old boomer goes to the living room, gets pumped full of fox news, doesn't feel good and changes - BRAINWORMS! Many such cases!
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He's 70, so the environmental lead exposure is working against me. E: no cable TV at home, but he watches Dan Bongino, which probably more than makes up for it
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I've got a friend of the kind we're probably all familiar with. She agrees with pretty much everything I say politically as long as I don't cite names, but she lives in a rural mid-South echo chamber, so the instant M4A, for example, comes up by name, she stops agreeing and we've lost her. If I send her something to read, she might read it. If I send her a video, she probably won't watch it. So I guess I'm asking: "what's a good source of covertly radical memes?" I hate the future.
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Me (a dumbass) responding to my dad's sharing of that Andrew Klavan video posted:A little refreshing that he reclaims a more classical definition of "liberal". Drafted on my morning commute. Maybe not the most persuasive. Probably futile to do a point by point. 
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Ok, specifically talking about defund the police with people. Or, at the least, remove a shitload of stuff from the police. I've been talking to people about how crazy it is that we have roided up, armed men come and deal with situations like: Homeless people, kids smoking a joint, arguments, etc. And how it might be a pretty good idea to just have trained professionals (who are not cops) deal with those situations. The people I'm talking to can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea of not having police deal with everything all the time. Specifically their saying: 1. Who are you going to call to deal with that stuff if not the cops? 2. What if the situation turns violent? I'm saying that there are government agencies that deal with drug abuse, homelessness, etc every day and those programs could be expanded. I'm also saying that if a situation does turn violent to then call the cops. Just don't start out with having a gun toting moron show up. I'm not making any headway, do you guys have better arguments I can use?
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Go the other way around and ask if homeless shelters and CPS should be run by armed men with barely 1000 hours of training, most of which focused on how their personal safety comes first by being bombarded with videos of their peers being murdered on the job, and who hold zero personal liability in the use of force.
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Compare it to the things we don't send armed lunatics in to deal with. What if you're trying to tow a car to a garage for repair and it turns violent? What if the customer at the register in the grocery store turns violent? What if a pizza delivery turns violent? Should we replace tow truck drivers and cashiers and pizza delivery people with armed cops, or would that be completely insane?
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Also worth mentioning that an encounter is more likely to turn violent if a cop is involved. Shouldn't be difficult to make that case after the last couple weeks
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How to respond to people saying that if someone doesn't want to be shot, they shouldn't dis-obey the law? I want to be really mean, but in reality I just want a way to break into their brain and make them actually see how dumb of a take that is.
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spacetoaster posted:How to respond to people saying that if someone doesn't want to be shot, they shouldn't dis-obey the law? cops shoot completely innocent people all the time
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spacetoaster posted:How to respond to people saying that if someone doesn't want to be shot, they shouldn't dis-obey the law? Why is public intoxication a capital offense?
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spacetoaster posted:How to respond to people saying that if someone doesn't want to be shot, they shouldn't dis-obey the law? Tamir Rice Lady playing Nintendo with a kid in their own home Guy in the hotel with airsoft getting told to crawl in an impossible manner Just start showing them these snuff flicks of people getting iced for no reason or the cops having two dozen officers issuing mutually exclusive commands Or the constitutional right to a trial
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Somehow these guys didn't get murdered https://mobile.twitter.com/twmentality1/status/1272021531451969537 https://mobile.twitter.com/FinsleyC/status/1272252047212118017 E: They likely had his ID from talking to him. Even if he ran away before then, they had his car which has a VIN and registration information so they could find him later. Corky Romanovsky has issued a correction as of 15:49 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Thanks. Now they've changed tactics over to "Actually a taser is a deadly weapon and they were right to shoot him for having it". I point out that I know a lot about tasers, and have been tasered on several occasions, and it's absolutely not deadly. Now they've switched to "Oh yeah? What if you taser someone and they fall and hit their head and die? Checkmate loser."
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Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube has a video of precisely that argument. I think this is the one. https://youtu.be/UUufUvy9LZ4
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Talking with a friend about raising the min wage. He says we can't just raise the minimum wage because then all the prices will go up and and everyone will be right back in the same boat. What's the response? By the way, finally got him mostly on board with medicare for all. Which it was surprising that it was so difficult because his wages are being garnished by a collections agency for a 9,000 dollar emergency room visit a year ago.
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spacetoaster posted:Talking with a friend about raising the min wage. Even if there was a proportional increase, which there wouldn't be because all those businesses that rely on minimum wage for their production and retail chain are the type that constantly look to undercut each other, minimum wage workers are a fraction of the economy and not the totality of the consumer base, plus any additional income they make would trickle up into non-bare-essentials which by the same logic should lead to a price reduction on those. Price increases on products to keep up with the wage hikes, if any occurred at all, would be in single digit cents. Additionally, he should think long and hard about how the entire argument for "we can't pay people a living wage" ultimately implies that the economy requires we exploit and underpay people to function.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Additionally, he should think long and hard about how the entire argument for "we can't pay people a living wage" ultimately implies that the economy requires we exploit and underpay people to function. Yeah, talking about that with him right now is futile. The place he works at has said that if there's a minimum wage increase that existing workers making slightly more than minimum wage will not get a compensorate increase. His words were something like: "I worked my rear end off for years to get to 15 dollars an hour and some guy shows up on day 1 and gets it?"
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A deeply in-grained FYGM attitude is impossible to contend with; this guy is straight up evil.
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Conspiratiorist posted:A deeply in-grained FYGM attitude is impossible to contend with; this guy is straight up evil. I'm going to be charitable and say that he's in such a desperate state of poverty that he's terrified of anything changing and losing the crumbs he has.
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spacetoaster posted:His words were something like: "I worked my rear end off for years to get to 15 dollars an hour and some guy shows up on day 1 and gets it?" This is a fundamentally flawed worldview and you can't help him.
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There's lots of good research that minimum wage hikes don't impact employment as much as econ 101 or conservative intuition would suggest. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-03/minimum-wage-arindrajit-dube-on-economic-impact-of-15-an-hour
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spacetoaster posted:Yeah, talking about that with him right now is futile.
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