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Guy A. Person posted:I wholeheartedly agree, it's just that the nitpickers are who(m?) the "it had to be this way because a space wizard said so" logic is directly aimed at, and who ate that explanation up. And not incidentally, it seems to be the same group of people nitpicking other blockbuster movies for being "dumb" and full of "plot-holes". Yes it works both ways. I didn’t think of it this way actually. Now it annoys me too. Short version stop caring about nitpickers movies!!!
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Mr. Apollo posted:Huh, OK, I guess I missed that. No worries. I remembered it because I watched the movie with a similarly cinema-minded friend of mine online and we were both like “does it still count as rape if she doesn’t know he-WHAT THE gently caress”
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teacup posted:Yes it works both ways. I didn’t think of it this way actually. Now it annoys me too. lol my sincere apologies But agreed, eff off nitpickers!
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If John McClane had his gun out and ready to fire at a moment's notice when every movie began, he could just shoot the bad guys in the head and fix everything. Instead, there's fairytale logic and dramatic stakes for some reason. *puts on Metal Gear Solid, lures one soldier after another to their doom by knocking on a wall* Heh heh, morons.
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The reason the Dr. Strange thing works is because he gets snapped out of existence and isn't around for all of Endgame. So the characters can't turn to him and be like "hey maybe we should do this...", because he's not there. All they can do is try to figure out a solution and hope for the best. Strange coming into play at the very end where Tony is thinking of doing something really stupid and he's there at the crucial moment to say "yea, that's what you have to do, sorry" is actually pretty great.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:The point of that maxim is that you should be careful what you wish for because you might not actually want it, not to be careful what you wish for because an evil genie might exact a penalty that leads to the end of the world. That's where the lesson from the Olympics at the beginning comes in, Barbara can totally be a good person as well as poised, strong and confident but wishing for those traits is taking a shortcut instead of actually taking the time to grow as a person. Diana can stop being alone in the world by making an effort to reach out develop emotional bonds with the people around her but takes a short cut by wishing for the return of a safe and comfortable relationship. The irony is both woman would have the end results of their wishes by exploring the budding friendship between each other as each teaches the other. That's what WW84 is at its heart, a lovely Hallmark movie with the moral denouement cut out for WW beating up some Arabic folks and another blue sky beam.
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sticklefifer posted:Really I feel like the Endgame solution should've been "page Carol much earlier". He looked at all possible futures not all possible pasts
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:That's where the lesson from the Olympics at the beginning comes in, Barbara can totally be a good person as well as poised, strong and confident but wishing for those traits is taking a shortcut instead of actually taking the time to grow as a person. Diana can stop being alone in the world by making an effort to reach out develop emotional bonds with the people around her but takes a short cut by wishing for the return of a safe and comfortable relationship. The irony is both woman would have the end results of their wishes by exploring the budding friendship between each other as each teaches the other. That's what WW84 is at its heart, a lovely Hallmark movie with the moral denouement cut out for WW beating up some Arabic folks and another blue sky beam. I honestly don't remember if she even lays a hand on them, she disables their vehicles. Steve punches a few. In all of her fight scene she shows an unwillingness to give anyone any injury. Which is weird when at the mall she subdues everyone without hurting then, snap cut to them being dropped onto a police car from 50 feet up (still uninjured somehow!)
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I honestly don't remember if she even lays a hand on them, she disables their vehicles. Steve punches a few. In all of her fight scene she shows an unwillingness to give anyone any injury.
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Mr. Apollo posted:She does throw at least one of them from one of the armored cars but he’s seen harmlessly rolling along the side of the road. There’s also the taxi driver that they left stranded out in the middle of nowhere. Well given the length of the chase scene he's within a couple miles of a service station
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well I made it halfway into WW84 before getting bored. kinda dumb that Steve Trevor is a shown as a dumb rube marvelling at escalators and underground trains when in the last film he was in London, which had had those things for almost 60 years by the time he showed up.
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We should all be a little bit more like Steve Trevor and appreciate the wonderful things we take for granted rather than needlessly foster resentment about things like not being able to afford healthcare or having children. The truth is beautiful.
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I really don't get the "boring" criticisms. WW84 was many bad things but I sure as gently caress was never bored
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I really don't get the "boring" criticisms. WW84 was many bad things but I sure as gently caress was never bored teagone posted:So yeah, just did a quick scrub through, and once the montage of flashback/heroic acts/mall scene ends during the first ~15 minutes, we literally don't get another significant action beat until over an hour later. I guess if you like 80s schlock and not-Steve acting silly for over an hour, then sure, the film probably wouldn't be boring.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I really don't get the "boring" criticisms. WW84 was many bad things but I sure as gently caress was never bored I definitely got bored. There's tons of stuff going on and a lot of it appropriately weird but it's mainly exposition and some scenes are overly long or feel unnecessary. Basically while I dug a lot of stuff on a conceptual level (a dude becoming a wishing stone and extracting payment is very cool) it got repetitive how they painstakingly showed his slow climb up the ladder instead of just skipping right to the high stakes bombastic stuff.
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The fact that I *really* enjoyed WW84 and how much goons here hate it has maybe finally convinced me that I actually might just like bad movies? I dunno. I thought it was pretty awesome.
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The film was terrible, but I was entertained by how loving harebrained every element of it was. In a sea of dull Marvel zircons WW84 was a shining diamond of baffling stupidity
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AndyElusive posted:The fact that I *really* enjoyed WW84 and how much goons here hate it has maybe finally convinced me that I actually might just like bad movies? I dunno. Based on the near-uniform negative reaction across the web I'm very much expecting to enjoy it (with caveats.)
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AndyElusive posted:The fact that I *really* enjoyed WW84 and how much goons here hate it has maybe finally convinced me that I actually might just like bad movies? I dunno. You like what you like. If the general consensus about a movie is that it's kinda bad but you absolutely adore it, then whatever. That you like WW84 and I don't doesn't AND shouldn't dictate your taste in film tbh.
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josh04 posted:Based on the near-uniform negative reaction across the web I'm very much expecting to enjoy it (with caveats.) I get where you’re coming from but honestly it’s just bad. Not flawed but interesting or ambitious but poorly constructed or bad because it dares to go against the prevailing movie making ethos...it’s just poorly constructed, nonsensical, mostly lifeless, too long, and ugly.
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A streamer I watch on Twitch has been streaming a lot of Hades as of late. I wish WW84 was the basic premise of that game, but with Diana instead of Zagreus.
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Let's not kid ourselves, people: Ww84's reception has a LOT to do with the absolute dearth of other fun things coming out.
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Maybe. That first trailer was pretty kickin rad. I watched it a few times and was looking forward too it.
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CelticPredator posted:Maybe. That first trailer was pretty kickin rad. I watched it a few times and was looking forward too it.
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I'm making a new OP for 2021, and need suggestions for the thread title.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's a straight-up Monkey's Paw situation. "A 1980s superhero movie? Like in Stranger Things? Sign me up!" I’d just like to point out that I totally called it.
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Edward Mass posted:I'm making a new OP for 2021, and need suggestions for the thread title. Comic Book Movies Megathread: Homeward Bound
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I’d just like to point out that I totally called it. Well try and call something else next time
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2house2fly posted:Well try and call something else next time SMg absorbed the wishing stone so anything he predicts will come with some dangerous and poorly thought out consequence
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Guy A. Person posted:SMg absorbed the wishing stone so anything he predicts will come with some dangerous and poorly thought out consequence A Problematic Iron Man Movie?!!!
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I really don't get the "boring" criticisms. WW84 was many bad things but I sure as gently caress was never bored I went back and watched the rest of it because gently caress it what else have I got going on and I will admit the movie did get less boring as the crazy unexplained poo poo just kept piling up. That has to be one of the most unintelligible villainous plots I've ever seen.
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Edward Mass posted:I'm making a new OP for 2021, and need suggestions for the thread title. Covid book moopies
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Whatever your criticism of Wonder Woman, the action is just straight up bad. In particular any time she swings around on the lasso. There's one scene in particular where she saves a kid that is like blatantly obviously just her holding a dummy. All the swinging and the Cheetah character being such a whiny baby towards Diana and Steve Trevor kinda being Gwen Stacey I just felt like the whole thing was a re-hash of Amazing Spider-Man 2
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Whatever your criticism of Wonder Woman, the action is just straight up bad. In particular any time she swings around on the lasso. There's one scene in particular where she saves a kid that is like blatantly obviously just her holding a dummy. All the swinging and the Cheetah character being such a whiny baby towards Diana and Steve Trevor kinda being Gwen Stacey I just felt like the whole thing was a re-hash of Amazing Spider-Man 2 That's funny my kid literally said "Oh she has the same powers as Spider-Man"
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Necrothatcher posted:That has to be one of the most unintelligible villainous plots I've ever seen.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:That's funny my kid literally said "Oh she has the same powers as Spider-Man" Well I hope you set them straight! Wonder Woman is WAY more powerful than that webhead
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John Wick of Dogs posted:That's funny my kid literally said "Oh she has the same powers as Spider-Man" This alone exemplifies the failure that WW84 is.
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Blood Boils posted:Well I hope you set them straight! Wonder Woman is WAY more powerful than that webhead If Wonder Woman is on our side then how come she keeps destroying security cameras! PRINCE! GET ME MORE PICTURES OF WONDER WOMAN! Don't look at me like that! You know what I mean! Not in a perverted way! I'm a journalist, Prince! Here's the headline! Wonder Woman: Temptress or Harpy!?
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ruddiger posted:This movie is so loving terrible I need to talk about it in six different threads, and twice as many Twitter conversations. Ahh, like CATS. I'm just downright impressed about how badly and universally it's faceplanted.
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