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TrixRabbi posted:I think he meant in terms of female directors? Can You Ever Forgive Me? was a gimme and they let is hang with just some acting nods it won't win and a screenplay nod it probably won't win. Oh yeah that makes sense.
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Mantis42 posted:Is Roma the only good movie on the Best Picture list? The Favourite is very good. I also liked Black Panther, BlackKklansman, and A Star is Born, to a lesser degree.
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put a sock in it, complainers. a film critic is here to set you straight https://twitter.com/noahgittell/status/1087725496916496386
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As my wife and I go through 2018's films we've started playing a game where we declare every movie we watch to be better than Green Book. Then we list all the other films that are better than Green Book. We got to "Venom is better than Green Book" and now really don't have any other movies we've seen this year that we don't think are worse than Green Book. It also sucks that Ali will probably be a shoe-in for Best Supporting. Richard E. Grant is the correct answer, but Sam Elliot is also more than deserving.
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I wish there was some better award ceremony that could rise and eclipse all the popular ones. Something that’s not arbitrarily prejudiced against non-English films or animation or genre films. Something more capacious. I guess you run into the problem that these things are always democratic and you just get the lowest common denominator, though.
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Vegetable posted:I wish there was some better award ceremony that could rise and eclipse all the popular ones. Something that’s not arbitrarily prejudiced against non-English films or animation or genre films. Something more capacious. I guess you run into the problem that these things are always democratic and you just get the lowest common denominator, though. Bring back the CineBytes imho
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Timeless Appeal posted:As my wife and I go through 2018's films we've started playing a game where we declare every movie we watch to be better than Green Book. Then we list all the other films that are better than Green Book. We got to "Venom is better than Green Book" and now really don't have any other movies we've seen this year that we don't think are worse than Green Book. richard e. grant was loving great. his last scene broke my heart
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I'm surprised about Black Panther getting a best picture nomination. As far as comic books movies go, about time they get some recognition. However, The Dark Knight and Logan are both more ambitious and transformative. They transcend their genres whereas black panther is very generic with some third act problems to boot, same thing wonder woman suffered from. I can't help but worry it's somewhat poltitically motivated, then again disney threw an arseload of money into this award campaign. Infinity War was ambitious and represent a new type of comic book movie entirely, not to mention it had a much bigger global impact than black panther ever did. It grossed less domestically but made more than Black Panthers entire haul internationally.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:I'm surprised about Black Panther getting a best picture nomination. Whether it's right or wrong or somewhere in between, I think anything that's a huge crossover blockbuster that's starring and made by people of color is going to get strong consideration from the Oscars, because it's still a Pretty Big Deal.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Bring back the CineBytes imho
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R. Guyovich posted:put a sock in it, complainers. a film critic is here to set you straight Using the "you can't criticise art if you're not an artist" defence is a weird move for a film critic. Does he only ever do positive reviews?
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Mamkute posted:2. It means the better Marvel movie, Doctor Strange got snubbed. Well Spider Man was this year, and it’s better than both so.... also mission impossible fallout was robbed for no best score nomination.
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LionArcher posted:Well Spider Man was this year, and it’s better than both so.... also mission impossible fallout was robbed for no best score nomination. Pretty sure the score is based on a pre-existing work and therefore ineligible.
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This thread also seems a good place to put my confusion about the Billboard awards' "Best Soundtrack" that is still ongoing. In 2017, the film Moana was nominated under this category and it lost to Hamilton. Fair dues, life goes on. Except in 2018, it was nominated again for the same category. And won! My only logical thought is that they meant to list Coco which would've been relevant for that year, and people who vote for Billboards awards just don't care and do whatever. I'm going to take this minor and unimportant grief to my grave, I swear.
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:Bring back the CineBytes imho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rjDx2v12TA
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I feel like people undersell how aware Black Panther is of its role as a prominent superhero movie. It doesn't take inspiration from The Dark Knight Rises, but also has scenes that reflect Bond films and Lord of the Rings. Black Panther isn't just a black superhero in tights, it's a film that tries to act as a window into an alternate universe of black exceptionalism. It's only hindered by the fact that it's a Marvel movie.
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The slate of nominations is disappointing, but I will be happy with the show in general if Spike finally gets his director Oscar. Academy loves giving out awards 20+ years late, so good chance of that happening.
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Noms would be decent if you removed every category nomination for Vice and gave each one to something else. Absolute dreck. lmbo, Vice nom'd for Best Editing and Best Director, it's barely even a movie
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Best director for Vice is pretty mysterious, even relative to the usual baseline of bad nominations.
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It was to prevent Cooper from getting nominated for 4 different categories.
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TrixRabbi posted:lol did any of you seriously think Toni Collette was gonna get nominated? yes because she loving owned? this year feels like a lame factory reset after last year's scenario of Get Out winning best Screenplay and Fish Fucker Fantasy winning Best Director/Picture. The only difference is a loving Marvel movie in Best Picture contention.
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DLC Inc posted:yes because she loving owned? Hereditary ain't Get Out. Also I don't know that there was a particularly strong Oscar campaign for Hereditary at all because A24 put most of their efforts into First Reformed, which didn't really pay off at all. Even if, the Oscar voting body was never going to award a movie like Hereditary in any way. Get Out is a horror movie but it's also funny, direct, has a clear cut political message, not too gory, and it's frankly populist. It's an excellent movie, but it's also the rare horror film that can actually pull through with Academy voters -- being a massive box office hit and the subject of endless thinkpieces helped. Hereditary, inversely, is a niche and graphic film for hardcore horror fans (and I'd argue it's an inconsistent film outside of the performances). Generally, if a horror movie wants to get Oscar nominations, they have to play like they're not actually horror -- which we all know is bullshit but it's how the game is played. Look at some of the past examples of nominated horror movies: Rosemary's Baby did not get a Best Picture nod (they gave the award that year to Oliver!) but the movie managed to sneak in an adapted screenplay nomination and a win for Ruth Gordon as Beth Supporting Actress. Notably, nothing for Mia Farrow, nothing for Polanski. The Supporting acting categories have often been a slot where voters feel comfortable nominating and awarding genre pieces (see: Heath Ledger, Dark Knight in '08), but to even pull off this coup they needed a film adapted from a best selling novel, directed by a respected European auteur, and that didn't necessarily feel like a genre film of the time. It was dark and occult, but the apartment setting and lack of much gore made it much more like a grim drama, or at least it could be played that way. When you look at Best Picture nominees there's only ever been six horror movies. The first is The Exorcist (there was never a Best Picture nomination for horror until 1973 if that's indicative of how little the Academy respects the genre) and maybe the only one that you can unabashedly call a Horror movie no matter which way you cut it. But it's also a religious parable and a massive blockbuster success that was at the front of the conversation. It became such a force the Academy had little option but to recognize it, that's the level of power a horror movie needed to get any sort of recognition whatsoever. And it helped that again you had a prestige director (Friedkin was fresh off of making The French Connection), a best selling novel it was based on, and the presence of Max von Sydow who was mostly known for his work with Ingmar Bergman to offer enough class to score the nominations. Next, you have Jaws, which even I sometimes don't really feel is horror in the proper sense though I'm probably wrong. Again, best selling novel, runaway blockbuster success, but a very fun movie. You got some classy actors like Robert Shaw, a boat adventure fitting of classic Hollywood, astounding direction, but an audience pleaser. Jaws, to get recognition, had to be magnificent and popular. A horror movie wouldn't be nominated again until 1991 with The Silence of the Lambs. Best selling novel, prestige director and actors, yada yada. It was also easy to pitch The Silence of the Lambs *not* as a horror movie, but as a psychological thriller, which was a very in vogue genre at the time and didn't have the stink of being a "low genre" like horror. 1999 -- The Sixth Sense. A bit of a different formula as outside of the presence of Bruce Willis this was an original screenplay with complete newcomers. But it was a runaway success, and more importantly it could be spun as a mystery with supernatural elements. 2010 -- Black Swan. Prestige director, respected stars, "psychological." It's about ballet, classy, the scares are subtle. It didn't win but Portman nabbed Best Actress for it. Finally, Get Out was positioned as a comedy for the Golden Globes. It needed to build on Peele's reputation as a comedian, but it became a message movie. A cultural moment that transcended for the Academy both its horror and its comedy origins. This is all bullshit of course. But again, Toni Collette never. stood. a chance. Ever. Ever ever ever ever ever. Hereditary is not a movie the Oscars award, and it's because the Oscars are not about quality, it's a marketing and networking event for Hollywood's elite to congratulate themselves. They nominate movies because they think they're important. They want to go up on stage and talk about how the movies "shine a light" on injustice, how they bring people together and tell the stories of the oppressed. They want to sell you the idea that without Hollywood we would be ignorant to the harsh realities of the world, or if not that we would be without hope for a better world. The Oscars are an elaborate ad campaign constructing a mythology that these people or these films matter or make any difference in a world full of political crises and poverty and strife, and they can stick a picture of a statue on the DVD box cover to make that point of sale purchase at Walmart because it signifies some arbitrary concept of "quality." It's about promoting their own, making themselves feel better. But for the audience, it's at best entertainment and at worst a total fraud. So just lay down some money on an Oscar pool and play it like the game it really is.
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TrixRabbi posted:A24 put most of their efforts into First Reformed, which didn't really pay off at all. I mean, it was obvious that A24 was going to have a slower year in 2018 after cleaning the gently caress up at awards 2 years in a row, and after releasing a huge % of the best films of the past half decade. They played it safe with real small projects this year.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I mean, it was obvious that A24 was going to have a slower year in 2018 after cleaning the gently caress up at awards 2 years in a row, and after releasing a huge % of the best films of the past half decade. Oh yeah, it's not a huge deal. First Reformed is the actual best film of the year, but it's way too aggressive for Oscar voters. I can't blame A24 for sitting this year's awards out though in favor of boosting some really challenging, exciting work that's never gonna play with institutional voting. Still, an Ethan Hawke nomination wasn't out of the conversation, so it's a little bit of a defeat to see that fall through.
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Yes it was excellent, and sad that it's been overlooked. The Academy likes to think of itself as prestigious, then essentially ignores some of the best movies of the year for stuff that's just generic. It's not as if it has a high barrier to entry to watch, like you could say if it was an esoteric art film or something.
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I'd say best is a tie between Cold War and Burning. I'm simultaneously thrilled that Cold War got some love and disappointed that Burning was completely ignored. So I guess it's a wash.
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Not that big an awards decision compared to the Oscars admittedly, but still thought it deserved mention/praise here GLAAD has stripped Bohemian Rhapsody of its best original film nominee at their annual GLAAD Media Awards in the wake of the new accusations against Bryan Singer GLAAD statement to Variety posted:In light of the latest allegations against director Bryan Singer, GLAAD has made the difficult decision to remove ‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ from contention for a GLAAD Media Award in the Outstanding Film – Wide Release category this year. This week’s story in The Atlantic documenting unspeakable harms endured by young men and teenage boys brought to light a reality that cannot be ignored or even tacitly rewarded.
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Hand Knit posted:Best director for Vice is pretty mysterious, even relative to the usual baseline of bad nominations. They were gonna vote Singer then panicked.
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Easily could've gone with Lynne Ramsay, Barry Jenkins, or numerous others who deserve it.
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I think the votes for VICE is along the lines of "Hey that McKay guy did it again, being political and funny" but it doesn't have the same breezy charm that THE BIG SHORT has. On that note, are that and GREEN BOOK the worst recieved movies to get Oscar nominations. I'm generally fine with BLACK PANTHER being up there even though I think it's more 'important' than it is 'good'. It's a marvel movie through and through, right down to the same kinda boring third act. It's a shame too because I was on board with it until then and I totally understand some of the political criticisms thrown its way. Spike is gonna lose out to DRIVING MISS DAISY again isn't he?
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DrVenkman posted:I think the votes for VICE is along the lines of "Hey that McKay guy did it again, being political and funny" but it doesn't have the same breezy charm that THE BIG SHORT has. On that note, are that and GREEN BOOK the worst recieved movies to get Oscar nominations. I was underwhelmed with Black Panther on rewatch, but compared to half the stuff up for Best Picture, it is a drat godsend.
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DrVenkman posted:Spike is gonna lose out to DRIVING MISS DAISY again isn't he?
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Timeless Appeal posted:The times put out a really good piece exploring this trend of films. Honestly, Green Book somehow is more insidious than Driving Miss Daisy That was a really good article.
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Timeless Appeal posted:The times put out a really good piece exploring this trend of films. Honestly, Green Book somehow is more insidious than Driving Miss Daisy Wesley Morris is one of the only movie critics I know of who's worth reading; I wish he still wrote as much as he did in the Grantland days.
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EL BROMANCE posted:This thread also seems a good place to put my confusion about the Billboard awards' "Best Soundtrack" that is still ongoing. quote:Unlike other awards, such as the Grammy Award, which determine nominations as a result of the highest votes received by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, the Billboard Music Awards finalists are based on album and digital songs sales, streaming, radio airplay, touring, and social engagement. These measurements are tracked year-round by Billboard and its data partners, including Nielsen Music and Next Big Sound. The 2018 awards are based on the reporting period of April 8, 2017 through March 31, 2018. Looks like the Moana soundtrack was on the Billboard charts for both reporting periods and thus was eligible for both year's awards. In researching this I also found out that the Titanic soundtrack won the same award in both 1998 and 2000.
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