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What should the presidential powers be in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! |
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3 | 23.08% |
| Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. |
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2 | 15.38% |
| None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! |
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2 | 15.38% |
| Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. |
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0 | 0% |
| None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. |
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4 | 30.77% |
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DarkCrawler posted:SOTE keeps being a clusterFUCK As if those cowards will ever vote against the government's proposal.
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Jan 11, 2019 13:49
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This seems to imply Mykkänen is a grey eminence as opposed to a weathervane who has civil servants draw up pointless ten point action plans (which never contain any more funding for anything) whenever there is anything negative in the news that applies to his fiefdom.
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Jan 18, 2019 10:51
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The solution to problems caused by privatization is more privatization, that's obvious, duh.DanTheFryingPan posted:Finnish Twitter, where the intelligentsia of the country gather together to debate and discuss various topics It always gives me this quaint, sinking feeling to see American right-wing brainworms infect Finns, be it abortion, climate change, or now Confederate apologia (of which "slavery would have been solved by capitalism so there was no need for the North to engage in bloodshed" is a sub-genre).
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Jan 30, 2019 18:04
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:That's because Masa was the most archetypal Finnish man. Except they didn't because Orpo wrote a blog post (that he has refused to elaborate on) where he says they want proper care to be defined in a way that is not a strict amount of nurses per patient, i.e. we are back to square one and "ihminen ei ole desimaali." I am enjoying the bright-eyed political journalist takes that "Kokoomus is struggling against giving the impression that they might care more about the profits of private healthcare companies than the welfare of seniors." Perish the thought.
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Feb 5, 2019 18:43
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This was always gonna be an interesting poll because they hosed up the sampling last time and got only 2.5% for RKP. The shift there was probably from kepu and Kokoomus.
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Feb 7, 2019 15:49
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:Yes checking if the bill works with the constitution is a blatant political game. Don't let such trivialities like right to privacy stop the process. Yeah, that's what I never get. There are some pretty significant things enshrined in there that the right probably wants to keep, like 15 § Omaisuuden suoja. I'll be sure to dust off this talk of the "Constitutional Taleban" when the Socialist International finally takes power 
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Feb 14, 2019 17:15
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Golden Gate Bride posted:Please ban all art I think banning Saska Saarikoski would suffice.
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Feb 18, 2019 12:22
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Berner had already said a few years ago when she was busy tearing everything down that she had no intent of remaining in politics ever again. I wonder if Kokoomus will copycat this and start rotating a bunch hatchetmen in various ministry positions - instead of squamous lawyers skulking into EU politics like Itälä, Katainen and Stubb, these MBAs and business school graduates will gently caress off to the board of the highest-bidding company once they're done. At least Suvi Lindén switched to selling arms to African dictators like a normal politician.
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Feb 19, 2019 22:05
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I was wondering who would want to specifically be the magical 100th opponent. There's still time to buy off a small party. Maybe make abortion illegal to get KD on board or do some horse trading with the whole Seinäjoki/Vaasa thing to get RKP.
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Feb 25, 2019 10:37
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Nenonen posted:Say to Paavo that he was right all along and he'll defect back to CP. Or just put him in charge of sote to get his vote. I'd trust him more than the current pack of vultures.
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Feb 25, 2019 10:58
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It's almost as if preparing far-reaching and wide-ranging reform from the premise of two separate boondoggles for two parties means the reform will turn out to be a dysfunctional piece of crap no one likes. Even if it had passed it would have been instantly revised and revamped during the next government. If you sincerely think the system needs long-term reform you need to commit all or almost all political parties to it so that they also own it if it runs into trouble.
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Feb 25, 2019 13:00
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  Oddly enough there aren't any other questions where one option involves breaking international treaties, such as bringing back the death penalty or force sterilizing people with disabilities.
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Mar 4, 2019 21:33
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The government that couldn't even collapse properly. It was a zombie after PS split in half and took nearly two years to shamble to the finish line and even then it couldn't make it.
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Mar 8, 2019 14:49
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Well, that was fun. We should do that every Friday.
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Mar 9, 2019 09:08
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Katt posted:It's some sort of Helsinki syndrome. It's like when 7-Eleven staff wrestle armed robbers to save the cash register. Those "heroic grocery shop clerk catches shoplifter" stories always bug me because they are valorizing people risking their life and limb for their employer's bottom line. I mean even the companies themselves usually have a policy that tells the employees to just ease off. HOK-Elanto will not go under if they make off with a six-pack of beers.
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Mar 14, 2019 20:04
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10 000 000 tree plantings 10 minutes per tree planting on average works out to roughly 1000 manhours (assuming 1600 p.a.) So you'd need 10 000 people working full-time for over a month; 100 000 people working for 16 hours in the summer (something like 3-5 working days for young people, realistically) I don't have time to look up how many 15-17 year olds we have but that's on the face of it a huge chunk of that group (and many of them have other things they need to do, or physically can't spend 16 hours in a forest planting trees) I wonder if Prime Minister Smart Businessman/Engineer ever did the math.
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Mar 21, 2019 06:47
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Because giving control of your elections to Tieto is a terrible idea? Because we tried electronic voting without the online component and that by itself was already a massive shitshow?
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Mar 24, 2019 12:11
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I have literally never heard of any of these companies. I have no idea how we'll manage without these captains of industry. I also saw the Kokoomus TV ad for the first time and it was funny how obviously "everyone should be able to decide for their own euros" tipped the party off. This after a long spiel about ~communities~ and ~equal opportunity~. I also enjoyed the references to post-war prosperity and stock war footage, all from a time period when Kokoomus was constantly kept out of government. Finally, anyone else notice that Kokoomus ads seem to use all colours of the rainbow except the traditional dark blue? I'm seeing lots of reds and yellows. E.g. Wille Rydman is using a red-white-black scheme and you need to squint to even tell what the party is.
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Apr 3, 2019 18:51
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I never realized Junes Lokka's party is abbreviated "ASYL" (Aito Suomalainen Yhteislista). I wonder if that's on purpose? It's Swedish for "asylum".
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Apr 4, 2019 19:19
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 Perskeko government stomping on a human face forever
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Apr 8, 2019 20:00
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It's interesting that PS seems to be doing alright despite there being multiple small lunatic racist parties fighting for the same space.
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Apr 11, 2019 07:29
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That's true. And it's entirely possible the other lunatic racist parties might peel off enough votes to deny PS the #1 spot and spare us the farce of Halla-aho being coalition negotiator and either 1) not being able to put together a coalition or 2) us ending up with an even more disastrous Perskeko coalition than the previous one
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Apr 11, 2019 09:36
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It's the same supporter base they had in 2015 and 2011. The split made things a little muddled, but now with an election campaign and everything, it has coalesced back together for them like T-1000. I am not convinced the sexual harassment or climate stuff has had as much of an impact; they've always been there and never really left. And it's the type of voter that is less likely to even think about the whole thing between elections, hence a surge in polling in the run up to an election. If anything with the split they ended up managing to have their cake and eat it too, by being both in government and in opposition in the same election term. The Greens and LA have tried this same maneuver before, but without as much success - it probably helps that Halla-PS essentially got kicked out rather than opportunistically quitting. Sipilä not re-negotiating a new coalition or triggering a new election after the split will come to haunt Cock, Kepu and the rest of us for many more years. It paralyzed the government's policy-making ability, which in turned helped tank their popularity, and allowed PS to fester in opposition for two years. At least they managed to ruin taxi regulation and education, cut taxes and move hundreds of millions of euros into different slush funds for their troubles. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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Apr 11, 2019 16:13
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I've thought for about ten years now (my bad for not coming around to this sooner) that we need to burn down valtiovarainministeriö, fire or forcibly retire everyone working there above a certain paygrade, and start over from scratch, but so that the expert organization for preparing the budget is actually a large and well-funded budgetary office in the Parliament. It's a mockery of parliamentarism that the most critical element of daily governance is controlled by a single ministry to such a degree that the Parliament basically has to take their calculations and opinions (opinions, not facts) as a priori when passing a budget. The liikkumavara Parliament has in the budget is less than one percent of the total. I realize that the US is not a great example but it's one I know well: Congress got fed up with fait accompli budget proposals by the White House in the 1970s and set up their own budget office to prepare and examine the budget, and these days the White House budget is mainly treated as an aspirational document or a bad joke, while Congress prepares and passes the actual budget (in theory anyway). Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Apr 12, 2019 09:32
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How the gently caress does this even work? You're not allowed to call him a Nazi, even though he's being charged with inciting hatred against an ethnic group? If the intent is all that matters, does that mean that if I call someone a Kokoomus voter, that's defamation? Do we need a specific Lex Vehkoo to establish that the truth can't be defamatory? How seriously should we take a prosecutor's office that has been preparing a hate speech charge against someone, and simultaneously prosecuting a defamation case against someone else calling them a Nazi? Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Apr 12, 2019 |
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Apr 12, 2019 12:35
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Man, Junes is such an easily triggered snowflake Trogdos! posted:2 momentti ei edellytä että esitetty tieto olisi tippaakaan valheellista, vain että se halventaa Yeah, so who's gonna start up the kansalaisaloite? I don't want to get maalitettu so I don't think I can do it myself.
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Apr 12, 2019 14:20
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In fact if you vote for 37 in Helsinki you vote for Maria Ohisalo (vihr). Oops.
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Apr 12, 2019 14:48
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Siivola posted:This opens a big can of worms for all kinds of poo poo that is demeaning while being technically descriptive. "friend of the family" is an easy one. I feel like "you can call a nazi a nazi but not a black person the n-word" is an entirely solveable problem.
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Apr 12, 2019 18:16
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Irrespective of personal behaviour, if you are a politician and/or you put yourself in the public eye (let's say by being a vocal nazi and a racist), you (should) also enjoy a lowered degree of protection against kunnianloukkaus. But I think so far the standard has only been applied to high level politicians like government ministers or party leaders, maybe MPs, not snowflake city councillors.Hogge Wild posted:
I'll take PS getting 25 % if it means Kok getting less than 10 %.
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Apr 13, 2019 15:24
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I think the media and pundits falling over themselves to praise Halla-aho is based on a fear of repeating what happened in the US in 2016 where the media class widely beclowned itself by dismissing Trump. What followed was a still-ongoing mission to remedy this by doing repeated interviews and vox pops of the elusive Midwestern Trump voter, which is utterly beside the point and missing the true trends in the background (anti-system, anti-political, anti-elite mindset entwined with white supremacy). I guess they're just trying to avoid feeling embarrassed after the election? Basically, if PS get 15-17 percent in the vote in three elections in a row, that means the question of whether being racist has been adjudicated by the Public and racism is, in fact, now Good. Kinda like how Kokoomus being in nearly every government since 1987 must mean that cut-throat pro-business crony capitalism is also Good.
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Apr 14, 2019 15:54
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Man, I would feel a lot more confident about tonight if I didn't have to rely on SDP and Antti loving Rinne to not drop the ball if we don't want Perskeko II to happen. Especially when I feel like they've been dropping it in slow-motion for about a month.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:13
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I'm feeling like sinipuna + greens + rkp might be happening. LA will bail on that and rightly so.
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Apr 14, 2019 18:16
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bloom posted:How is Kok so good at getting into government, loving poo poo up and then completely escaping any consequences? I know this country is dumb as poo poo but can we really have that many FYGM reptile people here? It's incredibly bad for the political system to have a party that can do pretty much whatever it likes without electoral consequence Especially if they are ideologically as loathsome as Kokoomus Cf. Republicans and their stranglehold on the US Senate
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Apr 14, 2019 18:43
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Greens are melting away in the count right now but it's probably rural areas reporting quicker. They are 4-5 seats behind expectations.
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Apr 14, 2019 18:51
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Perskeko mk 2 with fundies would have a workable majority. I won't sleep well tonight.
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Apr 14, 2019 19:57
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Cock had already been setting itself up as a somewhat racist anti-immigration party without their voters abandoning them (because the liberal tolerant rightwinger is a unicorn) so Orpo is already imagining himself as the finance minister in perskeko 2
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Apr 14, 2019 20:11
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Heck, Halla-aho would happily offer the prime minister's seat to Orpo, he doesn't really want to do that himself
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Apr 14, 2019 20:13
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Andrast posted:Persut are like at the exact same vote % they were last time so the result isn't that surprising Yeah the key is that the non-persu vote is fragmented. Kinda like in Sweden there's at least the 80 percent who didn't vote for them. I also rejoice for Kok ending up 3rd
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Apr 14, 2019 20:59
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https://www.iltalehti.fi/eduskuntavaalit-2019/a/2e3bc51a-3279-4951-9d6a-5919154600a9 Blue Future tears nourish me
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Apr 14, 2019 21:17
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So which party will Harkimo join? Will Kokoomus have him back? Probably?
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Apr 14, 2019 21:22
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