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pentyne posted:I can never get over how the so called "executive" card game in the series makes no sense as some massive money maker. It was 2 civilians, Johnny Sac and Silvio. After the end the only major source of money is what they got from Dave Scatino showing up and getting like $50k. If the final take was supposedly 80 boxes of ziti, that means had he not shown up they've have made like $30k max. Was it meant to be? I always got the impression that it was more the prestige of hosting the game and being able to hobnob with rich and famous people who aren't mobsters.
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I certainly feel bad for Scatino for his addiction but goddamn some of the stuff he does makes me want to reach through the screen and strangle him. The worst is stealing his kid's car and blaming his wife and brother in law for not being there for him during the bar scene. Robert Patrick plays the role so well though, its so perfectly contrasted to his best known role as the T-1000, clever bit of casting altogether.
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Jul 28, 2022 16:46
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PerilPastry posted:He told him, no off-roading!!! Great bit of writing, adopting the role of the stern father giving his kid some tough love to teach him some responsible self control when in actuality he's desperate for any little thing that can cover his horrible gambling losses caused by his total inability to exercise any self control.
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Jul 28, 2022 17:12
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Another thing I love about Davey is the way he talks about how his luck is going to change when he's desperately begging Tony not to beat the poo poo out of him. Dude is such a lovely gambler, no concept that maybe he could get actually get better at poker, no instead he just needed the right amount of luck that was sure to manifest itself any day now. I've also read somewhere that, if you ask pro poker players, the hand he wins on when he first joins the executive game was actually really risky and it indicated his lack of skill at the game when he probably should have folded, it just happened to work out through dumb luck.
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Jul 29, 2022 12:48
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD6a6S81y10 This is the stupidest, funniest thing I've seen in a while.
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So something I was wondering about the other day, in final episode it looks as though the FBI is getting very close to building a very solid case against Tony. But what happens if he's killed, in terms of the case? Would Carmela and the rest of the family have any reason to lose their assets like Johnny Sack's family does, or would the FBI forget about doing anything with the now dead Tony's assets, even if they could connect him and his money sources to illegal activities?
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Dawgstar posted:Patsy's a good candidate for being behind the hit, if you think there was a hit. I'm also partial the Patsy theory, in addition to the more obvious candidate of Butchie, but recently I also heard an actually very convincing case that if Tony dies at the end (especially if its at the hands of the 'Members Only' guy) it has some strong connection to Eugene Pontecorvo, which could leave open the possibility it was arranged by Eugene's wife.
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Sep 13, 2022 20:55
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banned from Starbucks posted:Why would Patsi kill Tony? With him alive he occupies the same comfort position that Bobby had being married into the family. With Tony gone who does he have as support? Paulies certainly not going to let him take over above him (we all saw his reaction to Tony threatening to promote him in the last episode.) The Barese crew isn't going to go to bat for him. Do you not remember the fact that Patsy is very much aware of the fact that Tony had his brother whacked to such a degree that Patsy went to his house drunk with the intent to kill him, and instead settled for pissing in his pool? He also knows about things like Ralphie and expressed concern about who could be next. Paulie might be an issue but I don't think that end series Paulie has much fight left in him anymore, and we don't really know what Barese and the rest would do. Either way the Jersey mob is a shell of its former self, maybe there was some kind of arrangement to subsume it into one of the New York families with Tony dead (Phil's 'Decapitate, and do business with whoever's left' approach).
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Sep 13, 2022 21:42
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banned from Starbucks posted:If he was still harboring that grudge he'd be pretty stupid to off him before his son even marrys Maedow. Family ties have meant exactly jack and poo poo in the world of mob, its almost more thematically appropriate that Patsy was planning a move while their kids were getting ready to marry.
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Sep 13, 2022 21:51
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banned from Starbucks posted:Money mean a lot. Patsy did well enough after going from Juniors crew to Tonys to buy his daughter a house (or something like that, the"I put the grief behind me" scene) and seemed to be ok with it for years. Now hes in a position to move up from soldier to something higher and earn even more for his family ("What we're here for, in the end, is to put food on the table for our family") and having just seen what happened with Carlo and his son hes just going to say "well sure i guess now I'll kill him, gently caress over my sons chance at a marriage, kiss off any bonus income/status that will come my way as a result of it and hope the new regime lets me keep whatever I have" Like what? My broad theory goes like this, Butchie and other people in New York want to get rid of Tony, not just because the Jersey mob is a bit of a joke but perhaps more importantly if he really is about to be indicted Tony, especially by the end of season 6 has a very high likelihood of talking about a ton of stuff that implicates all the major families instead of staying silent and losing everything (Phil makes a big deal about how Tony never did time in the can, and I seriously doubt that Tony would so willingly go straight from his luxury lifestyle to life in prison, especially after seeing the miserable states that Johnny Sack and Junior ended up in). The Jersey mob is, as I mentioned, a total trainwreck by now, almost all of their top tier soldiers and made guys are dead, in a coma, 'missing' or potentially flipped, Bobby, Sil, Ralphie, Vito, Eugene, Burt, Christopher, Carlo, Tony B, Raymond, Gigi, Furio... its just a massacre. You have like Tony himself, Paulie, Patsy, Benny, Little Paulie and the Barseses by the end, and a couple of hangers on, the Jersey mob has lost so much manpower by the end that it truly is just a glorified crew, they'd have no chance to withstand any other gang pushing in their poo poo, and they don't seem to have any clear future with little sign of any new blood coming in, on top of the FBI building a potentially dangerous case against the Boss. Patsy knows full well that Tony is a bad boss by now who's increasingly erratic and selfish decision making has made life incredibly dangerous for everyone in the family, he knows that Tony probably personally killed Ralph over a loving horse and everyone else had to shut up and not say anything too public. He knows that Tony went way out of his way to try and protect his cousin despite the shitstorm that was brewing with New York over that. He knows that under Tony's disrespectful leadership there was a pointless war with New York and people like Carlo were so alienated that they flipped. And most of all he knows that Tony killed his brother and he never truly got any revenge over that. All it takes is for someone like Butchie to sidle up to him and offer him a cushy position and a bunch of money in exchange for helping him get rid of Tony and place the Jersey mob into a more subordinate role to New York rather than a full on Family in their own right. Butchie was extremely aggressive in trying to get Phil to launch his war with the Sopranos in the first place. He got cold feet under Phil but that might have had as much to do with Phil's clumsy leadership than anything else. If he has Patsy as an inside man, who with their kids courting each other is getting very close to Tony, then it would probably be much easier to be able to catch Tony when he's let his guard down and decapitate right there and then. Meadow and his son will probably still end up getting married and Patsy will probably gain the best position in whatever remains of the Jersey mob at the end of the series.
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banned from Starbucks posted:All that is relying on the fact that Butchie is going to suddenly grow a new spine (hes only tough guy when hes behind actual powerful people like Phil, just like Rusty was) We all saw how fast he caved and accepted a sit down/truce after a month or so of being at war with a "glorified crew." Hes also not in any type of position (that we know of, the show shows us only pieces of the NY family hierarchy) to take over the Lupertatsi Family and start doing anything of the sort now that Phil is gone. Well he doesn't need that much of a spine. Tony's likely thinks that the danger has passed with Phil gone, letting his guard down, and if Butchie has an inside man in the form of Patsy, an advantage that Phil didn't, with most of the work already done in terms of taking out Tony's most important underlings (Silvio and Bobby), then this is comparatively low risk from his perspective if he has solid information on where Tony's going to be. Its horrific to do this in front of Tony's family, and technically against the 'rules', but even Phil had his brains blown out right in front of his wife and grandkids.
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TheKingslayer posted:People seem to be exceptionally bad about reading the text when it comes to mob movies. I've commonly seen people claim Goodfellas glorifies the mob and I'm like, "did we even watch the same thing?" TBH, Goodfellas and Casino remind me a bit of Francois Truffaut's comments on the difficulty in making a truly anti war movie and how the camera has this intrinsically glorifying effect that can undermine the movie's intended text. Though having said that I think that the Sopranos does the best job out of any major mob story that I can think of making the whole thing seem awful and inglorious, especially in the last season. 'Walk Like a Man' is probably the best episode I can think of when it comes to just hammering home how toxic the entire world that these people cavort around in truly is, especially this infamous scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OrXoOpdHk&ab_channel=TonySoprano
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Ainsley McTree posted:Are we supposed to know specifically why he dumped her? I'm guessing through subtext that it's either (or a combination of) a) grades slipping and he dumped her to get away from the hot mess/distraction of her roommate b) daddy wasn't impressed c) was only in it for the sex and he bailed after he got it Old but, he dumped her because he clearly had sex with her roommate and wanted to get as far away from any drama that that would bring. One of the reasons I think this is because its one of the many, deliberate contrasts the show draws between him and Jackie Jr, the audience and Meadow suspect that Noah might have cheated on her but he was clever enough to cover his tracks and then dumped her, putting the blame on other things (particularly Caitlin, which is extra Machiavellian), Jackie Jr on the other hand is a total dweeb who completely fails to disguise his cheating on every level and is humiliatingly exposed in public, and immediately regrets it and wants to get back in Meadow's good graces, which goes nowhere too.
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Ungratek posted:I never got the sense that Noah slept with the roommate. He’s a big enough douche without it. I just think its funny that they would dedicate screen time to Noah and Caitlin, two secondary at best characters, alone together in a dorm room overnight, and the next time we see Caitlin, who was a huge wet blanket prior to this, her entire demeanour has changed entirely. Like that must have been a pretty drat good study session. Meanwhile, when talking to Meadow Noah suddenly has nothing but bad things to say about Caitlin and blames her for a poor grade, which is absurd but I think he was trying to deflect suspicion away from anything untoward happening, and soon after unceremoniously dumps Meadow, which was probably made easier by the prospect that her roommate might spill the beans. I think Chase and the rest were definitely trying to seed the idea in the audience's head, while still keeping it ambiguous because the uncertainty reflects how Meadow probably feels if she suspects something and heavily contrasts Noah with Jackie Jr.
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Ainsley McTree posted:for some reason this image pops into my head from time to time: Big fan of the way that he's on like the first 10 pages of a thick book because you just know that AJ stopped there after that scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWSoOZuRw8
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TheKingslayer posted:Furio showing up to get the money at the end of that episode is scary as poo poo. I love the way you see him for like 1 second and fully understand what's about to go down. Honestly I'm surprised Jean-Philippe didn't skip town after the Artie incident.
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crispix posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pgMZhx-oL8&t=105s Looked up Kathrine Narducci and, uh, I guess she didn't have to do much acting to display utter disdain for all things Mafia related: quote:Narducci was born to an Italian-American family in Italian Harlem, New York City.[2][3] Her father, Nicky Narducci, a bar owner and local figure in the Mafia in East Harlem, was killed in a mob-related hit in front of his bar when Kathrine was ten years old.[2]
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While I like the storyline, the set up to Ralphies kid getting shot is hilariously, cartoonishly dumb even by the standards of dumb kids doing dumb things, it's more comparable to a scene in the simpsons where homer buys a gun and Bart is about to use it to shoot an apple out of Milhouse's mouth.
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MillennialVulcan posted:I was at a family party and my 8 year old cousin was off near the woods with his friend, throwing an 8 inch knife blade into the air as high as they could, trying to catch it. Kids are absolutely that stupid. I suppose I should never underestimate kid's ability to do amazingly stupid stuff, its just that the setup is so blunt about how this is going to end up, the kid's are literally shooting arrows at a target the other one is holding?! Jeez, if they had them dare each other to fistfight a pride of lions with steaks strapped all over them it would have been more subtle.
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Another Bill posted:They didn't use suction cups in Gladiator! Tony's greatest crime was killing Ralphie before he could see Gladiator 2.
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crispix posted:i'm wondering if you were a sheltered child because i routinely did things at least that stupid with my friends when i was that age I'd say the dumbest thing I remember my classmates doing was something called an 'American Dream', where they'd briefly choke out each other to cut off the flow of blood to the brain to get a high sensation. I... didn't partake.
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Another Bill posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZvQEFy1ER0&t=181s Still blows my mind how Meadow accidentally saves Tony from massive amounts of self incriminating statements on record by storming off with the lamp when he's being a massive racist prick.
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ulvir posted:uncle ben’s … I'm a bit surprised that scene isn't more memed upon compared to everything else in the show that is because I almost died laughing the first time I saw it.
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No offense to the man but its hilarious that the guy they got to cameo as himself in the position of uncontroversially successful megastar who doesn't even consider Cleaver for a second he's so far above it was loving Ben Kingsley.
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Brilliant writing from Chase and the gang that the scene still works whether or not people have the exact opposite takeaways that Kingsley is intended to be a prestigious actor or someone who'll appear in any old poo poo.
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In light of recent incidents that expired I'd like to keep in mind the unheeded warning of Gigi that Jersey is a small state and if Ginny Sacrimoni moved there she could tip it over.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I think he sticks around for just the perfect amount of time. There's no way he would have been able to get away with continually challenging Tony's authority, no matter how connected he was. You just don't do that. TBH, the fact that the creators of the Sopranos knew that a charismatic but disruptive character like Ritchie can't last if they want to maintain verisimilitude is a major boon for the show, a lesser programme would have surrendered to the temptation to keep him around at the cost of the overall plot, and in the process probably would have just watered down what made him memorable in the first place. A similar thing happens later with Tony B, I know that Chase and the rest were trying hard to figure out a way to keep him alive but had to yield to the fact that him going way out of line like that meant he was a dead man no matter what in the world of the mafia.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes, although that was because Robert Loggia was a nightmare to work with and they fired him I've heard so many different, contradictory things about this but I don't think that Loggia was considered a nightmare in the sense that he was a massive rear end in a top hat they needed to get rid of, the difficulty came in him having trouble with his lines in his old age (he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's 6 years later). I think that Chase never actually said that they intentionally wrote him out of the show prematurely, I think the fanbase have kind of gone with that story because of the issues mentioned with him doing his lines. Watching the show its hard to see what else they could have really planned for Feech and I always thought that his subplot was neatly nestled into the season and served its purpose.
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I tend to agree that the FBI are portrayed in a wobbly way through the show in terms of being an actual threat and let way too many opportunities slip through their fingers (not to mention losing like 90% of their informants), but at the very end its clear that Tony is probably a few days away from being hit with charges he can't wriggle out of, so I guess they did their job, finally.
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People talking about the Mario Kart scene as the funniest 'this is how videogames work, right?' scene on the show when the Max Payne scene with Atari 2600 sound effects playing over it is right there.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I'm honestly drawing a blank on that one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak3EmJzi088
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