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Who do you want to be the 2020 Democratic Nominee?
This poll is closed.
Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden 27 1.40%
Bernie "please don't die" Sanders 1017 52.69%
Cory "charter schools" Booker 12 0.62%
Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand 24 1.24%
Kamala "truancy queen" Harris 59 3.06%
Julian "who?" Castro 7 0.36%
Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard 25 1.30%
Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti 22 1.14%
Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown 21 1.09%
Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar 12 0.62%
Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth 48 2.49%
Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke 32 1.66%
Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren 284 14.72%
Tom "impeach please" Steyer 4 0.21%
Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg 9 0.47%
Joseph Stalin 287 14.87%
Howard "coffee republican" Schultz 10 0.52%
Jay "nobody cares about climate change :(" Inslee 13 0.67%
Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man 17 0.88%
Total: 1930 votes
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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
:siren: We're gonna start punishments at 3 days in this thread because loving hell this topic brings out the worst in this forum. :siren:

As of January 1/16/2019, we are almost two years away from the 2020 elections. Naturally, that means several major candidates have already declared that they're running.

Please contextualize your tweet/article content when you post it, thanks.

From the original 2020 primary thread, too pure for this sinful Earth:

quote:

A few quick requests for this thread:

* Start poo poo, get hit/Wither the Eternal Slapfight: There were many lessons from the elections of 2016. Chief among them: For many posters, there is no greater pleasure than owning the [shitlibs/berniebros], seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their delegates. I say unto you-take it outside. There will be positives and negatives to discuss! Some candidates are very bad. Others are quite good. Sometimes, people will disagree with your obviously correct assessment of which candidates are which. Can we take it upon ourselves to do a bit better this cycle in handling these moments? If primarychat gets quarantined to CSPAM again, I won't be able to join in (hi Rask! :glomp: ) and I'll be very sad.

* At the very least, post about politics and not posters? Quorum's State & Local thread has managed to avoid shittiness quite well, even during/after contentious primaries. Let's aim for that. If your politics must be confrontational and any post that isn't spoiling for a fight is a post wasted, please consider other posting venues.

* Contribute! :post: Is a candidate not covered/profiled yet? You can fix that! Did I, or someone else, do a terribly lovely job of covering a candidate? You can fix that! The bottom of this post is a link repository for our candidates. I'll add any* posts profiling a candidate to it. *"Here's why this candidate is just the worst/completely perfect" posts do not count as profiles. We're not aiming for false balance, but an inability to identify redeeming qualities or liabilities makes for an inability to profile. Particularly effort posts that are focused positive or negative may still get linked for posterity but will be marked accordingly.

* Be generous. Odds are that Dear Leader's spine and/or budget will shuffle off this mortal coil before the convention. Nobody here works for Soros, David Brock, Yevgeny Prigozhin, or any of the other myriad drivers of tinfoil purchases. Hasbara, on the other hand....

Assume the best of your fellow posters because honestly, how pathetic would you have to be to concerntroll, gimmick, or aggressively stan to win votes on this dying site?

THE LANDSCAPE
Donald Trump is President because Democrats failed to nominate the right candidate connect with the middle class focus on the working class dismiss Identity Politics embrace Identity Politics moderate on abortion to win pro-life voters enact gun control denounce gun control destroy wall street eschew :decorum: enforce decorum organize themselves around the platform, candidate and messaging I prefer. The Trump administration is not popular. November 2018 saw a blue [tsunami/wave/shower/drought], which is only going to make the 2020 election more pivotal and interesting.

2016's primary very rapidly came down to personalities, but it'll be tough to draw such stark contrasts or unified opposition in a crowded field. Issues, platforms, and rhetoric will matter much more this cycle-though it's worth noting that it turns out everyone is an idiot and chooses their candidates for the dumbest of reasons.

Big Questions
* Will they run? Polling at this stage is very heavily name recognition, and Bernie and Biden lead by miles with Warren hanging around as well. It's tough to see a path to victory for Joe, but reason to believe he'd start strong and that'll suck a lot of the oxygen out of the room for other candidates. If Bernie doesn't run, where his base goes will have an outsized impact on the race. Warren's behaving like she's going to run, but will she pull the trigger?

* Senatorial unity? In 2016, the women of the Senate refused to run against (or endorse against) Hillary. Will they move as a bloc again? Will any of the men join them?
How progressive was Bernie's 43%? Hillary was deeply loathed by many within the Democratic Party. As O'Malley and others faded away, Bernie consolidated that opposition. 43% would put him on a path towards easy victory if he can maintain it, but how many NotWithHer voters were there? How many of them will find a new candidate?

* When's the cull? 2016 was over after Super Tuesday, South Carolina serving as the harbringer of Bernie's defeat. But a candidate performing well in Iowa and New Hampshire can survive in a more crowded field if the SEC primaries are split. When the field narrows, and what faction is last to consolidate, will be critical

* Who is the base? 2018's primaries were a mixed bag, but they didn't do much to back the narrative of a surging, nationwide antiestablishment movement. Will 2020 represent a changing of the guard?

* Who is "authentic"? "Genuine"? Who is "phony", "insincere", "bought", or "calculating"? This candidate pool has precious little in the way of accomplishments, so a lot will come down to rhetoric, policy, and platform.

* How credibility gets assigned, and to who, is a fascinating lens to view primaries, punditry, and supporters through. Keep an eye out when you hear those labels, and interrogate your own use of them as well.

INFORMATIVE POSTS

Legislation sponsored by major candidates, including links (h/t Badger of Basara)

ROLL CALL
Bernie Sanders
Joe Biden
Cory Booker
Kamala Harris
Michael Avenatti
Tammy Duckworth
Eric Garcetti
Amy Klobuchar
Tom Perez
Kirsten Gillibrand
Sherrod Brown
Eric Holder
Keith Ellison
John Hickenlooper
Andrew Cuomo
Jeff Merkley
Steve Bullock
Michael Bloomberg
Deval Patrick
Tulsi Gabbard
Elizabeth Warren
Pete Buttigieg
Julian Castro
Martin O'Malley
Tom Steyer
John Delaney
Tim Kaine
Zuck

This thread is a huge pain in the rear end to moderate and nobody seems to like to argue in good faith so, for this rising phoenix of primary slapfighting we're going to be changing it up a bit. Instead of having aimless 12 page digressions about whether or not we have sufficiently condemned Tulsi Gabbard for being poo poo or whatever bullshit, this thread is going to follow News thread-style rules. Post articles, relevant tweets, or other content, and discuss that content. If you don't like the current discussion, post different content. If you're mad that someone thinks you're preferred candidate is irredeemable garbage, then accept that you won't convince each other and move on with your lives.

As per PPJ:

quote:

Ascribe reality as it actually is to the politicans you're discussing, not as you hope or fear it will be. Base it on previous statements they have made, current initiatives they are pursuing, or future plans they have laid out in their presidential campaign.

Don't be pricks/creeps.

We're probably going to start punishing people for sweeping statements or hard declarations of fact without some kind of meaningful citation.

Horny posting itt will probably result in a month probe.

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 01:08 on May 9, 2019

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Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Thanks! Voted for m'lord.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

no option for joseph stalin. shameful

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

R. Guyovich posted:

no option for joseph stalin. shameful

Fixed

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

I voted for Booker in the poll, but that is exactly the amount of effort I am willing to put in to casting an actual primary vote for him.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


I would like to change my vote.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2TVLoxsDA This man has my vote.

And my axe!

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC0Om8v8H7g

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
I’m going to let the shitposting go for page one but after that you’re getting spanked.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities
Voted for Bernie, but Stalin should be VP. He's worked hard enough; the man deserves a good do-nothing coasting job.

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
Looking forward to forgetting what thread I’m in and getting probated for a week. 👍

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

i feel like putting bernie and stalin on the same poll is unfairly splitting the left vote

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
People like Cory Booker?

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

Berni/Tulsi 2020

Sojenus
Dec 28, 2008

Where's my ranked choice ballot? How does one decide between leaving out Bernie or Stalin? Democracy is dead.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

the highest priority for this thread imho is to rebuild trust with the dnd community. they need to feel safe to post itt without fear of kidnapping, incarceration or injury

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
Nah, Tulsi is a piece of poo poo.

IWW Online Branch
Apr 20, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
It's Bernie or nothing as far as I'm concerned. He's the only candidate who might move American society in the direction I want it to go. Everyone else, even the progressives like Warren are only concerned about "fixing" capitalism. Bernie is the only one willing to even talk about an alternative.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

mcmagic posted:

People like Cory Booker?

I wouldn't necessarily call them "people." Homonculi, perhaps?

e: For content, to help get this thread going on the right foot, Amber A'lee Frost of Chapo Trap House wrote a good piece in The Baffler on why Bernie is the only real choice at this point. A couple quotes:

quote:

The coming election cycle will be an extremely difficult and fraught one. The Democrats might not be able win with any candidate; even the worst presidents seem to serve for two terms now, and frankly, a lot of people have very little faith in electoral change. Despite all the #Resistance hysteria, for the time being, the majority of the electorate hasn’t seen the sort of plummet in quality of life that inspires droves of voters to cast a ballot for Anyone But Trump. The Donald hasn’t actually deviated that much from the neoliberal trajectory of his predecessors (remember, Obama shot tear gas at the border too), and you can’t expect people who don’t spend all day on Twitter to feel that motivated to combat what is essentially the gradual continuation of previous administrations’ policies. (Hell, he’s already more anti-war than Obama was.)

And even if we could get a President Gillibrand in 2020, another lukewarm Democratic presidency will not only further impoverish and destabilize the working class and its suffering institutions, it will also all but guarantee that 2024 brings us POTUS Hamburglar in an SS uniform. No, it’s Bernie or bust. I don’t care if we have to roll him out on a hand truck and sprinkle cocaine into his coleslaw before every speech. If he dies mid-run, we’ll stuff him full of sawdust, shove a hand up his rear end, and operate him like a goddamn muppet.

And here's a good one that could serve as a pointer for myself and my fellow Berners on how we conduct ourselves in this thread going forward:

quote:

And for the love of God, learn to exercise your scoffing muscles. Don’t get drawn into show-trial debates when someone is obviously attempting to defame, discredit, or otherwise malign the Sanders campaign. Yes, there are guileless and gentle souls who voice concern about Sanders’s prospects, policies, or appeal to women and minority voters, and with those people we have conversations. Kindly, confidently, and thoroughly we explain that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the working class—and we then spell out, with the same saintly patience, that this means all of the working class. But as for the liberal media, and for those who would disingenuously invoke identity politics to attack the socialist, just remember the magic words: “I know what you’re doing right now, and it doesn’t work on me.” Remember, they’re trying to trip you up, wear you down, and waste your precious time. (Luckily, they’re utter clowns; elite whiners who pout that everyone is being too mean to them and to their favored milquetoast candidate.) The hit pieces against Bernie have already started to pour in, and we cannot concede a single inch to bad-faith liberals. Steel yourselves against the pseudo-progressive manipulation tactics and moral blackmail that put you on the back foot.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 05:27 on Jan 17, 2019

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

basta!

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


bernie or i write in susan sarandon

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



voted bernie in the poll and also voted this thread 1

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

bernie or i write in susan sarandon

Watch yourself, Jen Kirkman will hunt you down personally.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Voted Bernie. Here's hoping.

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


1. some random celeb made into a left savior type
2. gillibrand
3. harris

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
Voted for Bernie because Jeb! wasn't an option.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
voted for stalin

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY
In for the Sandman. Stalin is too hawkish for me.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
voted stalin, as the compromise candidate, but under protest, due to lack of POL POT

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Lemming posted:

I'm not falling for this


Agents are GO! posted:

Yeah this seems like a good way to get banned for poo poo that happened a month ago in another subforum.


captainblastum posted:

Yeah that was some serious loving garbage right there and the mods ought to be ashamed of themselves for it.

This is what I'm talking about. The trust is gone. How do we fix this?

Kavros
May 18, 2011

sleep sleep sleep
fly fly post post
sleep sleep sleep

Calibanibal posted:

This is what I'm talking about. The trust is gone. How do we fix this?

Have very low expectations going in, and expect similar pointless shenanigans, even if they don't end up happening.

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010


Bernie is the last gasp for electoralism being a meaningful strategy for positive change and if he gets ratfucked the Democratic Party deserves to be burned to the ground.

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
most of it still needs to be burnt to the ground, or else the grift cancer will set in as soon as the next cycle rolls around

Arkhams Razor
Jun 10, 2009
To get started on obscure wedge issues:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1085683562895065088

Sinistral
Jan 2, 2013
Bernie will never be president

Z. Autobahn
Jul 20, 2004

colonel tigh more like colonel high
Voted Bernie, excited to be called centrist scum.

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY

Z. Autobahn posted:

Voted Bernie, excited to be called centrist scum.

Same. Also looking forward to "war is good when we do it."

(esp. when it concerns the same war that's bad if the other guy does it)

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009


Wow, that's surprising from Merkley. Anyone know if he had a good reason for it?

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jval6WwknUU

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Pylons posted:

Wow, that's surprising from Merkley. Anyone know if he had a good reason for it?

the vote was 83-7 in the senate

i can't really find anything on the senate debate at a cursory glance, but Good Dem Senators on the topic are regrettably thin on the ground; there were zero R nays, though, just some R not-votes

(but include gillibrand and sanders :toot: )

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00275

maybe it's like the BDS bill and it was a bunch of stupid kneejerking

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