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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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What the hell, Durbin no and Feingold yes. Wasn't expecting that for the Acorn vote. *** I'm intrigued by the Tammy Duckworth votes in the poll, and am interested in the arguments for her candidacy by those who voted for her.
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Jan 17, 2019 08:20
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I feel like voting for Bernie in the general election is really a vote for their running mate. I really don't want someone who would turn eighty in their first year of their presidency running, even if he says several of the right things.
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Jan 17, 2019 08:22
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Star Man posted:I feel like voting for Bernie in the general election is really a vote for their running mate. I really don't want someone who would turn eighty in their first year of their presidency running, even if he says several of the right things. If there was a better progressive option the left would take them in a heartbeat unfortunately everyone else is either too young to run or doesn't want to
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Jan 17, 2019 08:36
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Pylons posted:I voted for Booker in the poll, but that is exactly the amount of effort I am willing to put in to casting an actual primary vote for him. Gas
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Jan 17, 2019 08:36
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A vote for Bernie is a vote for the several right things he says (and does). If someone else says those several right things, and has a history of advocating them (rather than a recent change of heart to embrace things that 80 percent of Dem voters want), then I would consider voting for that person.
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Jan 17, 2019 08:36
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Willa Rogers posted:A vote for Bernie is a vote for the several right things he says (and does). this is the long and short of it we need actual change in this country, and for that we need to elect people who will fight for it. look at the difference in results you got from the election of sinema vs the election of AOC. bernie is really old, but he's the only one in the lineup that will fight for the change this country needs. so the choice is pretty clear, you have to vote for him
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Jan 17, 2019 08:47
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though Star does raise a fair point in that bernie's VP pick is important because there's a serious non-zero chance he dies during his term
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Jan 17, 2019 08:49
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Effortpost: I don't know a ton about Sherrod Brown's political history or voting record, but it seems to be he's got one big asset as a candidate: the Electoral College map. He's a popular Rust Belt Senator who held onto his seat with ease even while the rest of the Ohio D's were in full collapse. Unless the Dems can make some big time magic happen in North Carolina, Georgia and/or Florida, the race is going to be determined almost solely by Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan if Ohio goes R. Brown's (presumed) name value and regional connection make him an unparalleled asset, and if he can actually deliver Ohio that is a seismic shift and puts Trump's re-election on the ropes from basically Day 1. However, it's important to remember that just winning back the White House is not going to be good enough. The D's desperately need a candidate who motivated to lead the party toward at least 2-3 major policy achievements (M4A, New Voting Rights Act, Green New Deal, $15 minimum wage, Bank Regulation, and Net Neutrality come to mind as the short list of Things To Go All In On) before the midterms. They need someone not afraid to fence with the SCOTUS in a Lincolnian/Rooseveltian fashion if we're staring down a 5/4 barrel on all the D's plans. They need someone with the administrative ability to reconstruct the executive branch after the insane gutting it's suffered at the hands of Trump's cronies, particularly the State department. They need someone who can mend the diplomatic bridges Trump has been constantly burning and help reassure the rest of the world that America's rough patch is behind us. And then there is the question of coat-tails. A lot of what Dems need to accomplish if they win this President can be stymied by the Senate. The House seems to be taking good care of it's own electoral chances, although a strong president never hurts especially in the places where victories were narrow. But the Senate... the 2020 map seems like almost all the Dem's seats are safe (except Doug Jones of course), but the opportunities to make gains are very thin. Maine and Colorado are ripe for the taking, but that's only two, and the Democrats need 4 in the likely event Jones goes down. And if Sherrod Brown DID win the nomination, that means they need 5. Taking into account a wide variety of factors, I would say the Democrats have non-zero shots at the Senate races in Arizona, Iowa, Montana, Kansas, North Carolina and Georgia. Every one of those is a giant uphill battle, but I'd put each one of them in the realm of possibility. (I've been wondering lately if they have a chance to taking out Mitch in Kentucky based on polls of the Governor's race and Mitch's hyper-unpopularity with the Trump Brigade, but I sure as heck wouldn't put money on it). The D candidate or their ticket as a complete package needs to be able to appeal to those states directly or energize the entire party voting base on a nation-wide scale, or the whole train could be derailed right out of the station. Whoever wins this nomination has a HUUUGE challenge is front of them, rivaling even the shitshow Obama had to cope with coming into office, and while Sherrod Brown may have great odds if all you're looking at is EC numbers, I don't know if he can do all that other stuff.
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Jan 17, 2019 09:05
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Sanguinia posted:Effortpost: One thing that I think works pretty heavily against Brown is that he's not exactly in favor of M4A, preferring a buy-in to the current Medicare.
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Jan 17, 2019 09:10
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 uh oh i guess bernie's goose is cooked i guess he should've spent more time voting for sanctions against people most americans couldn't give less than a poo poo about and less time meeting with people wanting to make sure the bernie 2020 campaign staffers have strong protections against sexual harassment 
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Jan 17, 2019 09:32
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Yinlock posted:though Star does raise a fair point in that bernie's VP pick is important because there's a serious non-zero chance he dies during his term Yeah, I'm fine voting for Sanders provided his running mate is at least as progressive as the man himself. If he picks someone more centrist to shore up support I'd be much warier.
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Jan 17, 2019 09:40
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Pylons posted:One thing that I think works pretty heavily against Brown is that he's not exactly in favor of M4A, preferring a buy-in to the current Medicare. The other thing that works pretty heavily against Brown is that by picking him, either for president or vice president, it's basically forfeiting the hope of a Democratic Senate and conceding to at least two years and almost certainly four years with no accomplishments save executive orders that immediately get reversed the next time the far right gets back in the White House. It's basically "Yeah we're going to for sure go full fash, but we'll take a four year pause to do it." Will I vote for Brown if he ends up as the nominee? Yeah, sure. But lordy he's not in my top five picks, and only partly because of his views and partly because getting to 50 in the Senate in 2020 is already going to be a hard road without surrendering Ohio.
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Jan 17, 2019 13:26
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We should really be scouting governors and maaaybe solid blue state senators. Giving up purple state senators is a loving terrible idea given the 2020 map and how necessary a Dem majority Senate is going to be in reversing the damage of the Idiot-in-Chief
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Jan 17, 2019 13:31
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The obvious answer for vice president would be Killer Mike. Cornel West would be fire in a VP debate.
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Jan 17, 2019 13:50
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Best veep for bernie is Nina turner imo. She’s awesome, she’d keep things going if bernie passed on, and she is on our side Plus then we could have turner/ocasio-cortez 2024
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Jan 17, 2019 14:26
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Condiv posted:
Nobody ever referred to a revolution with the adjective "our" before Lenin, it's true Maximilien Robespierre refused to refer to the French Revolution as anything other than "that revolution that other people are doing, not me, I'm a serious statesman just swimming in decorum" (in French ofc) Also: you're the one refusing to think of Russia as a capitalist country, not me! Anyway, my enemies are kind of like Lenin, clearly this means they're in cahoots with Putin e: I thought this was the C-SPAM thread lol loquacius fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Jan 17, 2019 14:33
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Then why not just run Nina Turner instead?
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Jan 17, 2019 14:34
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Star Man posted:Then why not just run Nina Turner instead? No name recognition in a field that is already gonna be packed to the gills with people that have no name recognition to the average American that hasn't poisoned their brains with politics. Biden's probably the only person that seems to be running with name recognition that can match Bernie's.
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Jan 17, 2019 14:57
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What I'm saying is that I'm just loving tired of candidates that were old enough to dodge the draft during Vietnam (man or woman).
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Jan 17, 2019 15:04
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Star Man posted:Then why not just run Nina Turner instead? She doesn't personally have governmental experience at any level higher than Ohio State Senate, which in the Dem party certainly doesn't help Her big-name achievement has been as a Sanders surrogate, so her best path as a candidate would be if he held a big press release acting like he was gonna announce and instead let her stand up and announce her candidacy, and then immediately endorsed her and spent the election cycle acting as a surrogate for her, which would be an interesting turn of events
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Jan 17, 2019 15:06
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Poll going well for our man Bernie
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Jan 17, 2019 15:12
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Star Man posted:Then why not just run Nina Turner instead? Bernie has name recognition and high popularity. Nina turner doesn’t have his sway with the public yet. A stint as vp might help her build the name recognition and popularity to win
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Jan 17, 2019 15:17
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Sanguinia posted:Effortpost: I heard Brown speak for the first time on NPR the other day and I can't say I was terribly impressed. His general rhetoric was better than your average Democrat but I heard zero policy substance and the whole time he kept repeating the phrase "the dignity of work" which, in addition to sounding like something he stole from a Republican, is also a bad angle to work from in general (the problems go way deeper than "work sucks"). I just can't see him pulling very much support from Bernie and I don't see the centrists going for him over another candidate with better name recognition.
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Jan 17, 2019 15:18
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Star Man posted:What I'm saying is that I'm just loving tired of candidates that were old enough to dodge the draft during Vietnam (man or woman). My heart aches for you, but we’re playing with the hand we were dealt. Therefore bernie is our best option
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Jan 17, 2019 15:22
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gently caress ageism.
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Jan 17, 2019 15:25
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sanders is the only sane option if you have a vision for the country beyond means-testing access to lottery tickets for the Bezos Arcology. in a not unrelated statement, the purpose of the DNC and associated organs of the democratic establishment is to prevent anyone like Sanders from ever getting close to any position of meaningful power. it's going to be a cool next two years team
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Jan 17, 2019 15:35
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brown is a bit of an odd creature in that he’s been to the substantial left of the party on issues like workers’ rights and LQBTQ rights but tends toward inoffensive language that is approachable to rural voters. this might be a boon for him in a general election but i don’t know if it will be appealing to Democrats who want Bernie’s revolutionary rhetoric.
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Jan 17, 2019 15:59
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Sherrod has a great history but he definitely sounds much more like an old man when he talks than Bernie does
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Jan 17, 2019 16:12
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Condiv posted:Best veep for bernie is Nina turner imo. She’s awesome, she’d keep things going if bernie passed on, and she is on our side And will make donut twitter's heads explode so bad.
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Jan 17, 2019 16:15
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Willa Rogers posted:I'm intrigued by the Tammy Duckworth votes in the poll, and am interested in the arguments for her candidacy by those who voted for her. I originally read this as Tammy Baldwin and was going to say that for the first openly lesbian woman elected in an increasingly red state in 2012, she’s had an overall respectable record on balance. I don’t think she’d be a great president but I’m glad she won re-election. I’m not as happy with Duckworth tbh.
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Jan 17, 2019 16:17
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What happened to Tammy Duckworth? I remember a few years ago thinking she'd be a real force in the Senate and could easily be a presidential hopeful, but she's been almost totally off the radar for the last two years as far as I can tell
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Jan 17, 2019 16:30
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Sanguinia posted:What happened to Tammy Duckworth? I remember a few years ago thinking she'd be a real force in the Senate and could easily be a presidential hopeful, but she's been almost totally off the radar for the last two years as far as I can tell trump sucked all the oxygen out of the room and she hasn't been actively seeking a national profile.
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Jan 17, 2019 16:31
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Tammy Duckworth is a great pick for Dem presidential nominee for people who think you can get someone elected by listing adjectives about them
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Jan 17, 2019 17:16
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Mukaikubo posted:The other thing that works pretty heavily against Brown is that by picking him, either for president or vice president, it's basically forfeiting the hope of a Democratic Senate and conceding to at least two years and almost certainly four years with no accomplishments save executive orders that immediately get reversed the next time the far right gets back in the White House. It's basically "Yeah we're going to for sure go full fash, but we'll take a four year pause to do it." Will I vote for Brown if he ends up as the nominee? Yeah, sure. But lordy he's not in my top five picks, and only partly because of his views and partly because getting to 50 in the Senate in 2020 is already going to be a hard road without surrendering Ohio. yeah exactly this, the delta between brown's performance in a general vs....say any of bernie|beto|biden|harris isn't big enough to be worth a senate seat even if it's real and substantial with the exception of the whole "ginsburg will be off the supreme court by 2021" thing, it might actually be worse to have a dem president/gop senate/dem house than to have gop president/gop senate/dem house in 2020 Typo fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Jan 17, 2019 17:26
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Brown also voted to defund ACORN.
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Jan 17, 2019 18:40
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Sanguinia posted:What happened to Tammy Duckworth? I remember a few years ago thinking she'd be a real force in the Senate and could easily be a presidential hopeful, but she's been almost totally off the radar for the last two years as far as I can tell She's a conservative Dem.
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Jan 17, 2019 18:51
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Sanguinia posted:What happened to Tammy Duckworth? I remember a few years ago thinking she'd be a real force in the Senate and could easily be a presidential hopeful, but she's been almost totally off the radar for the last two years as far as I can tell My guess is that being a mom to her new baby has something to do with that.
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Jan 17, 2019 19:20
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loquacius posted:Tammy Duckworth is a great pick for Dem presidential nominee for people who think you can get someone elected by listing adjectives about them Well-put. That does seem to be the case for every establishment Democratic darling, doesn't it? QuoProQuid posted:brown is a bit of an odd creature in that he’s been to the substantial left of the party on issues like workers’ rights and LQBTQ rights but tends toward inoffensive language that is approachable to rural voters. The revolutionary rhetoric people like from Bernie is on the economic justice side of things, though. I think it's very possible for a candidate to say what needs to be said on social justice issues in a way that's accessible to rural voters, and also call loudly for economic justice. I don't know if Brown is capable of pulling that off, or if he wants to, but I think Bernie probably will be able to, after a little more refining of his message. Majorian fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jan 17, 2019 |
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Jan 17, 2019 19:27
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QuoProQuid posted:brown is a bit of an odd creature in that he’s been to the substantial left of the party on issues like workers’ rights and LQBTQ rights but tends toward inoffensive language that is approachable to rural voters. Brown could potentially try to pivot that direction by expanding the idea of dignity of work to include literally everything - labor rights, race, gender, identity protections, health care that's not dependent upon your employer, 20 dollar minimum wage, 30 hour work week, affordable housing within reasonable distance from your work and public transit, child care and parental leave, and so on. You can include a lot under the semantic umbrella of 'the dignity of work' if you want to.
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, and, in an extremely not problematic at all pol pot voice, the thing about other kinds of work that don't have dignity is,
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