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fallenturtle
Feb 28, 2003
paintedblue.net

Grevling posted:

The social democrats of the previous century tended to want to bring about socialism through incremental change though, not just to be keynesians and keep capitalism alive and well forever. That doesn't seem to even be on the horizon for the modern social democrats. The terms have changed and have a lot of baggage.

It's also unfortunate that it's called democratic as opposed to the supposedly undemocratic " just socialism".

My understanding was that there is social democracy, which is Bernie Sanders/Scandinavia market economy with a large welfare system and democratic socialism, which is like the DSA and supports the transition to socialism via a slow incremental process.

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