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Munin
Nov 14, 2004



I am shocked and amazed that our kind Bibi would do this. Truly shocked and amazed...

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Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003


Isn't Likud already in for sure?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://mobile.twitter.com/grahamBarron/status/1097971207645876224

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/1097905655309090816

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
I see Gantz and Lapid have decided to work together to try and beat Netanyahu. What are their chances like?

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

Jose posted:

I see Gantz and Lapid have decided to work together to try and beat Netanyahu. What are their chances like?

pretty good but it doesn't really matter because they all believe in the same things.

while seein netanyahu eat poo poo would be nice, a likely scenario is he loses, lapid and gantz's gov break up a year or two in due to infighting and netanyahu wins the next elections

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Bear Retrieval Unit posted:

pretty good but it doesn't really matter because they all believe in the same things.

while seein netanyahu eat poo poo would be nice, a likely scenario is he loses, lapid and gantz's gov break up a year or two in due to infighting and netanyahu wins the next elections

Given up hope on Israel being less awful towards Palestine, just let me see Bibi go to jail.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

Jose posted:

I see Gantz and Lapid have decided to work together to try and beat Netanyahu. What are their chances like?

It's plausible, but by no means a sure thing. In any event, their party is still right wing, though perhaps a tad less likely to bend over backwards to accommodate religious zionist settlers, the ultra orthodox parties and literal ethnic cleansing advocates.

The real major question in this election is whether Meretz and the Arab parties manage to pass the threshold or not, especially now that the Joint Arab List has fallen apart due to infighting. If not, we're even more screwed than before, even if Gantz beats Bibi, because the only parties in the Knesset will be various flavors of right-wing.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
It's terrifying that giving a formerly oppressed and ostracized people a nation state has turned them into jingoistic americans in under a century

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

bibi's gonna live to be in his 90s, huh

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Jose posted:

I see Gantz and Lapid have decided to work together to try and beat Netanyahu. What are their chances like?

they have no chance

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

can someone explain Israel's political system? it seems like Bibi has been taking full advantage of how much it sucks

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

get that OUT of my face posted:

can someone explain Israel's political system? it seems like Bibi has been taking full advantage of how much it sucks

It’s proportional representation based on closed party lists

It can’t function because the ideology is national conservative or religious national. The opposition is either the enemy Arabs, regardless of whether they are communists, or neoliberals

It also has a bit of a Bosnian clusterfuck to it because everything is understood in terms of winner takes all national strength within the representative system.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

get that OUT of my face posted:

can someone explain Israel's political system? it seems like Bibi has been taking full advantage of how much it sucks

as far as I understand, which isn't much, the center-left party really sucks and undermined their support base with dumb moves a decade or two back, such as coalitioning with Likud and other far-right parties. This led to a drastic drop in the liberal elites' support at the exact time when Likud was already on the rise, creating a power vacuum that Bibi was happy to fill and use as an opportunity to establish his party's long-term dominance by giving far-right groups government backing and defunding entities critical of the right.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

to be clear, the center-left party is Labor, right? reminds me of how the Socialists in Hungary had that audio leaked of the prime minister saying that they lied about everything, which led to Orban getting a supermajority and rigging the system that way

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

get that OUT of my face posted:

to be clear, the center-left party is Labor, right? reminds me of how the Socialists in Hungary had that audio leaked of the prime minister saying that they lied about everything, which led to Orban getting a supermajority and rigging the system that way

its the same poo poo. Peres on the behast of washington did shock therapy on the kibbutz system in the 80s and tried to turn the whole area into a neolib free trade hellzone

with the disembowlment of the kibbutz system there was no longer a united support base outside of city liberals

then they lost the lower middle classes to Likud by going neoliberal

basically they have no real electorate and the nationalists have a dedicated ideological base and much of the population that rejects neoliberal reforms

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

Top City Homo posted:


then they lost the lower middle classes to Likud by going neoliberal


This is a stretch, imo. Likud is explicitly a liberal party. Bibi was always full in for the "power of free market competition" rhetoric.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


AFancyQuestionMark posted:

This is a stretch, imo. Likud is explicitly a liberal party. Bibi was always full in for the "power of free market competition" rhetoric.

Yeah, but like all proper right wing "free market" people he knows that a the free market is for some and not for all. Plenty of pork, protectionism, and other privileges for the right kind of people. And graft, lots of graft and corruption.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

This is a stretch, imo. Likud is explicitly a liberal party. Bibi was always full in for the "power of free market competition" rhetoric.

You can’t compete with Shas on a neoliberal platform

It’s a social liberal/national conservative coalition

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/RaoulWootliff/status/1100077682157633537

Munin
Nov 14, 2004



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

#8 is cool

Munin
Nov 14, 2004



No, no. You see we only want people to return to their country of origin! Palestinians' country of origin is left as an exercise to the imagination.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Munin posted:

Plenty of pork
might wanna rephrase that

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


get that OUT of my face posted:

might wanna rephrase that

Why? Both are not kosher.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
Bibi's getting indicted

also, on an unrelated note, this is depressing as hell

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bride-drums-up-controversy-at-her-wedding/ posted:

A young bride’s drumming skills landed a wedding hall and a band in trouble earlier this month, after ultra-Orthodox authorities complained that her performance didn’t jibe with “modesty” considerations.

The band whose drum kit the bride played later issued an apology over the incident and vowed that if it ever happened again, they would quit the music business, the B’Hadrei Haredim website reported Wednesday.

Toward the end of her wedding, bride Shira Hershkovitz, 19, went onstage where the Yoeli Dickman Orchestra was playing, and sat down at the drum kit. Then, to the surprise and delight of the guests and her groom, she began to pound out a beat while the band played on.

A video of Hershkovitz’s short performance was shared on social media and she quickly gained fame as “the drumming bride.”

A week after the wedding, and before the fuss over her performance had escalated, Hershkovitz spoke to the Ynet news site, explaining that she had always wanted to play the drums.

“When I was small, I learned to play the piano,” said Hershkovitz, who works as a photographer. “For many years I had a dream to drum, and a year and a half ago I started attending a drum school in Tel Aviv.”

Dickman told Ynet said that some time before the wedding, Hershkovitz had told him that she learned drums and was considering playing at the wedding, an idea he supported. They agreed to play it by ear on the day of the event, and it was Dickman who prompted her at the wedding to pick up the drumsticks.

"I told her to start drumming, and the band and I would adapt to her rhythm,” he said.

However, some took offense at Hershkovitz’s behavior and complained to Badatz, the kosher department of the ultra-Orthodox Eda Haredit organization. Badatz, which supervises the Bnei Brak venue where the wedding was held and provides its kosher certification, contacted the hall, demanding to know why managers had allowed the drumming to go on and why they didn’t shut off the electricity as soon as it started.

In the ultra-Orthodox community, women are prohibited from performing in front of men and public mixed musical acts are out of the question due to modesty concerns.

According to the report, Badatz also scolded the band. In a response letter to Badatz, published in the report, the band wrote it was sorry for the “terrible breach of the boundaries of modesty” and pledged that “from today, such a thing will not happen.”

It further said that “if God forbid it happens again, we accept that a prohibition on the band appearing at celebrations should be made known and publicized.”

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


That's worse than like, most ultra conservative evangelical ministry :psyduck:

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



basic hitler posted:

That's worse than like, most ultra conservative evangelical ministry :psyduck:
You literally can't describe Ultra-Orthodox communities, morals, political activity and their persistent attempts to take over secular areas without sounding like an anti-semitic conspiracy theorist.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Intermarriage is something to be battled

jeeesus

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
yes YES

WERDEN WIR TRIUMPHIEREN

EIN MENSCHEN
EIN VOLK
EIN ISRAEL

EIN KOMPROMISSLOSER KRIEG!!

entferne die Feinde aus unserem Israel!!!

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Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

don't see a problem with this, they just want to *check notes* annex west bank/gaza and expel all the arabs

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

is bibi actually going to get in trouble or will he continue to be terrible?

speaking of Haredim being horrible, Ikea Israel put out a catalog with no women in the pictures. that's Saudi level poo poo

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1107747463631388673

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://twitter.com/DavidSamuelMann/status/1107779968983941121

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the idea that "oh i'm an independent thinker, like i'm for cannabis legalization... unlike those other conservatives" is how they snag you into a project that turns innocent people into pink mist on the regular.

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1108024088813948930

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

basic hitler posted:

That's worse than like, most ultra conservative evangelical ministry :psyduck:

I think the only thing that could top that is the Salafit ban on all instrumental music

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment
the libertarian party led by a religious fanatic who wants to take control over the temple mount and transfer all the arabs out is generating a seriously scary amount of buzz.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Plutonis posted:

I think the only thing that could top that is the Salafit ban on all instrumental music
just like the saudis, ultra-orthodox jews like to scrub all images of women in photographs

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
it just wouldn't be an election without a sudden escalation in Gaza

https://twitter.com/MairavZ/status/...ingawful.com%2F

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Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

palestine must be free

from the river to the sea

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