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Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

I graduated from a therapy program this week and feel really good compared to a few months ago when I started.

up next for me: getting help for substance abuse

Congrats on graduating your program!

Grace is a big part of recovery; wishing you the best of luck on your journey.

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Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

thank you! I really figured out "oh I don't actually want to die and I know my drinking is both physically and mentally contributing to that" this time around.

I still have time to turn it around physically but this is the first time I've asked for help. I'm nervous and know it'll be a ton of big changes in a lot of aspects but I want it.

You're allowed to ask for help - that's the best part. You're definitely on the right track , and maintaining that mindset is going to allow you to make the best out of every hurdle throughout your recovery.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

empty whippet box posted:

I'm so tired of the miserable nightmare my life has become. Brief moments of things being ok or being able to distract myself punctuated by gut punch after gut punch. I just want a few good days, I just want to feel secure or ok. I feel disgusting and fat and gross on top of it and I can't do anything about it. My button business died and hasn't gotten an order in months and I am a failure on every level possible and the only thing that stops me from killing myself is how much it would hurt my wife. I hate my life and I wish it were over and I don't want to do it all anymore. If our stimulus and tax return would just get here maybe we would be ok but it will very likely be multiple months before either does and when they do it'll just be a brief respite from abject poverty before it all bleeds away again. Posting this is probably dumb too and will probably get me in trouble somehow too but I am in the waiting room of the emergency vet for the thousandth time this month waiting to hear if my cat is going to die, again. AGAIN. Everything I was supposed to be in life, I'm not, every opportunity I ever had, I squandered and I don't think there's any hope of it ever getting better. I'm just a total failure on every conceivable level and I wish I was dead but I can't even be that because i have obligations to other people and my cats. I hate this, I hate myself , I wish I wasn't this pathetic sack if poo poo but I am

I can definitely sense how overwhelming things are for you when you articulate them the way you have. There were a few unique tricks throughout therapy that I absolutely hated - but learned to take advantage of later on when I became a Dad. The best one (It sounds weird, soft, and kinda cliche; don't get me wrong) was to figuratively and literally wiggle your toes in the morning. When I see you say, " - is how much it would hurt my wife" - that's huge to me. I can really sense how much of an important figure she is to you; clinging onto something like that can really mean the difference between a bad day, and an awful one.

I don't think anyone can promise better days, but we can definitely reach out to folks who are willing to carry these burdens with you.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

OB-GYN Kenobi posted:

Basically half my family. And the other half are oblivious to mental health issues. I have one sister who also had a mental health crisis, the one person who I feel safe talking to.

The half of my family who I feel are bullies, I've written off. I can't do it. It's not worth having them in my life right now because I'm barely able to take care of myself.

Adult bullies exist. They likely have childhood trauma of their own, which doesn't excuse their actions, but I'm coming to believe there are a lot of humans who don't understand how bad they are hosed up and living in the "matrix", a fantasy world built on bullshit.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with trimming your circle, and doing what's best for you. No one should ever be obligated to endure the kind of bullshit that certain people make others put up with - regardless of blood.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

samantonio posted:

Side story, I work with this really quiet 21 year old woman who has started looking up to me, and I've taken her in as a mentor as much as I can. She had a really rough childhood and doesn't have many friends and a really limited work career and I could sense when she started that she might be the type to get overwhelmed with the job (we work with some real knucklehead, uneducated types who say some real unprofessional poo poo occasionally, but more than anything are just unlearned about the world). Very sexist conversations, transphobe talk, toxic masculinity locker room chat, etc that I've enjoyed turning into almost therapy chats. The 21 year old is just coming into her own and is learning that she doesn't conform to the norms of society with gender and she has confided some of this in me because I'll listen and I'm open to her being whatever she wants to be even if she hasn't figured that out yet, she basically.said she feels like she was born the wrong gender and should be a man. I'm like, rock on! Be the best man you can be!

There's an older woman, retired, that we've lately enjoyed taking our breaks with, I think because both the 21 year old and I see that this older lady just sits by herself at breaks and doesn't really interact with anyone else and we don't like that. Well in a discussion about nothing of substance the other day and the older lady dropped something out of the blue like Joe Biden being a pedophile or something, and I had actually thought this older lady to be more socialist/progressive up to this point so I quickly tested the waters with a few innocuous questions that got her to just flat out say that she's a Trumper and libs are ruining the country and I was just floored with this because it caught me off guard and I was kinda laughing going, "oh no, haha come on, you really believe the government is full of pedos? You're not going to tell me that you follow Q, right?" To which she said yes, she's a Q believer. She just immediately went off the cliff that cancel culture is ruining everything and the libs are going to ruin the country by raising taxes and forcing trans culture down her throat, etc, all within like 30 seconds (ugh). I was concerned because the quiet 21 year old who has confided in me her very progressive non-conformative views about herself was sitting there listening and I like to keep things civil in conversations. But to my surprise the 21 year old just immediately flew into this empowered rant about how she doesn't want to live in a world where we're not taking care of the planet and focusing on climate change and treating others with respect and she'll be damned if she's going to sit aside while people like Trump just get away with bullying others to benefit themselves, etc

I just sat back, honestly in awe, of how sure of herself she was, something I was not expecting from the quiet one at work. She's been really down on herself the last couple days saying that she doesn't matter, etc and I actually told her today how I look up to her for being so strong in that moment and for the bravery it took for her to come out to me about not conforming to society's gender rules. I've got a new friend at work, and she's a badass Gen Z.

Awesome story and experience - I think it's great that we're finding folks in and around communities that are finding their voice.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

SchnorkIes posted:

Is there a form of therapy that is more leftist friendly? CBT sounds like it really pushes some stuff that's questionable from the perspective of being a person with vigorous principles that are at odds with this shithole world, like the whole leftist project would be dismissed as catastrophizing and "should" statements or something. But idk, I've never tried it.


CBT isn't for everyone. After years of battling with anger issues stemming from PTSD, I gave it a try - I honestly think the only reason why I benefited from it was because my wife (an MFT herself) coached me and encouraged me along the way.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

in my experience CBT is a weird mix of true but obvious statements and condescension

i found some of the most basic elements of it to be genuinely useful for depression, but like, "be aware of your own feelings, get in the habit of consciously checking in on yourself, and don't mistake lowered mood for objective analysis of your situation" is like going to the dentist to get a tooth pulled and being reminded to brush your teeth regularly

I think that's a pretty fair take on the whole CBT experience. I know when that when I'm feeling down, the last thing I personally need is for someone to 'parrot' everything I'm saying; it tends to exacerbate what I'm feeling or enduring in that moment.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

I'm meeting with a substance abuse counselor/ doctor? tomorrow. I'm not even sure i would say I'm scared of their judgment anymore. I just want to be well. I've been counting my intake over the last week so I can be honest as possible.

That's awesome! Congrats on taking that initiative. Teamwork is a big part of recovery - never hesitate to reach out to folks that are ready and willing to help.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

whew, the appointment went pretty well and the doctor was super nice. I'm trying to make my work schedule fit in with the intensive outpatient option they have. I think having accountability like that would be super helpful for me.

thank you for the kind words, everyone!

was trying to see and dig through latest posts to see how it went for you; Seriously happy to see your first appointment went really well. Definitely channel all of that momentum going forward into your next appt.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

hey gang, just checking in and saying hi.

I did manage to get all my ducks in a row and was supposed to start an virtual intensive outpatient program today but they called and said the system is hosed so there's no session today.

kinda frustrating but I'm proud of myself for not thinking "gently caress yeah one more day of drinking" and played video games instead.

I also started a certificate program this week to work towards getting into the IT field because I am real sick of customer service and there's so many IT jobs around here.

School sucks but I'm super motivated to get this done. I do know I'll probably start out in a help desk spot which is also basically customer service lol. but there's really no upward mobility in my current job.

so, things are going okay and every waking moment of life isn't miserable!! I know I'll ebb and flow and hope the IOP helps with that as well as getting better coping skills.

I hope everyone is doing okay or if not, surviving in this weird rear end world

Awesome stuff man!

Identifying those frustrations really shows how tuned in you are to your surroundings right now. Sometimes you really do have to just wiggle your toes in the morning to really get that motivation going.

It sounds like you're settling in great - don't hesitate to reach out if you need anything!

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

i say swears online posted:

eh. the reason why a lot of people (including me) are having problems is because of a lack of real-world community and human connections, with no or daunting answers on how to reconnect them. it's good advice but it's hard

Agreed; I don't blame anyone for feeling helpless or stuck in a corner when they're asked to just "find someone". It can be extremely difficult to extend trust or an olive branch when you've been burned so many times.

I've learned to twist that burning process into something positive, and use it as a way of gauging my growth by trying measuring my ability to stay resilient.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Edit: the point is, if you are going in for therapy and don't feel like it's helping, try a new therapist.

Seriously happy that I saw this. A lot of folks I've worked with felt "stuck" or were intimidated by the process of finding a new therapist again, so they just kept the one they were seeing.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Sanguinary Novel posted:

Right up there with "human capital"

There were some offices in Texas that identified patients as "units".

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021


Might have to save that for a future profile picture - thank you.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

petit choux posted:

I've been having intrusive thoughts telling me to bump myself off a lot over the past few days. Haven't managed to get that bike mechanic job after all, the shop owner called and told me he decided to give the job to one of his old buddies after he had promised it to me, NBD. Just selling a few hundred bucks worth of stuff every week on ebay, taking care of my now-cancer-survivor wife, trying not to post in CSPAM so my nerves calm down, that's a good part of my life RN. I haven't been able to make friends with anybody yet, the few times I've tried I've gotten brushed off. So yeah, feeling pretty useless and meaningless here. Trying to remind myself that "nothing matters" also means I can do whatever I want, but still not happy about that.

I can seriously relate to what you're experiencing my friend. I know how discouraging it can be to feel like you're on a roll and about to land a job, only to be brushed off or told someone else got it.

I want to give you some serious praise for being that right hand for your wife. Sometimes that role in itself is our calling - if you ever need to vent and need an ear, I'm more than happy to listen.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

petit choux posted:

Hey, thanks for all the supportive words. I really appreciate it. I might as well admit that I have been spotty in taking my antidepressants and that's part of the reason I'm getting a lot of negative emotions going on. Just getting these inarticulate pangs of sorrow and pain kind of randomly. Trying to get that Zoloft rictus back.

Just remember - you're allowed to be spotty and feel the way you do as you continue to take on these challenges. There is no shame is being outspoken, and I commend you for sharing your recent experiences here with everyone.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

I know you weren't talking to me but can we not do the "it's all in the plan" nonsense. I am absolutely not handling not being able to sleep, it is not making me stronger, it is destroying me. I'm turning 41 soon and to pretend anything has any rhyme or reason makes me angry, sorry. Only a cruel deity would rob me of the ability to sleep then make me perform high level tasks for eight hours per day with severe brain fog during the one time where I could recharge.

I'm so worn down. Posting this at 6am Aussie time with 3 hours sleep max.

I don't think you need to apologize for this one, friend. If I were in your shoes, I would definitely feel the same way.

Sleep apnea can be a real danger; curious, have you ever received any help for it?

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Orb Crabmelt posted:

I'm in the final week of my undergrad studies and I think my brain is trying to gently caress me over. I have weeks' worth of assignments due in about ten days from now and just can't get out of bed most of the time. Whenever I try to talk to friends, they mostly give the standard "make a checklist" & pomodoro stuff and it feels alienating.

Thank you for providing a space to vent, thread.

I don't want to ignore what you're experiencing - I just wanted to make sure that I extended my congrats in regards to you making it this far in your undergrad studies.

What's worked for you in the past when it comes to encouragement? Or is this alienating feeling new when it comes to hearing your friends make those checklist comments?

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

I was tested for apnea at an overnight university sleep clinic and don't have it or anything else easily fixable. It's just chronic constant anxiety mixed with being an incredibly light sleeper and not being able to afford more than a one bedroom apartment in a busy urban area where work for constantly fatigued people is still achievable (just barely - been security most of my life). I already wear earplugs and found the quietest apartment I could, but bass goes right through them.

My mom is the same way but also has apnea as she's super fat. Hard to stay in shape when all you want to do is lie down 24/7.

I didn't even have kids because there is no way I wanted to pass this on and/or be as bad a parent as she was.

Thanks for the sympathy though guys. For some reason 3am rants in this thread help me go back to sleep.

Edit: my wife doesn't have apnea either. She's just snoring a bit, maybe wouldn't bother a normal sleeper.

I appreciate you being open about your experiences - you didn't have to, but you did, and that's something I personally don't like to take for granted.

On nights in the past, what's helped you get the deep sleep you need?

I'm wondering if 30/60 min of light exercise before bed would help alleviate some of that anxiety and help you settle into sleep better. I'm not talking about doing some extreme push up or work out routine - just something you can do, even if it's yoga, to help you get into a rhythm

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Nothing stops me from being a light sleeper but if I have absolutely nothing to worry about and there's no noise I sleep well.

I do walk home from work every day which takes an hour (4km).

Seriously good work on the 4km walk.

I'm wondering if that yoga or any kind of exercise that promotes mindfulness would help at all.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Orb Crabmelt posted:

Oddly enough, the times I was able to overcome this type of thing it was more like a switch being flipped than anything else. Maybe the pressure of having the deadline coming up?

Thank you for the kind words!

vvvvvv I tried the disabilities thing last semester: no dice! But thanks

That anxiety could be provoked by that deadline, but this could also be something you can get some genuine help for you know?

There's definitely no shame in checking out what "Uganda Loves Me" mentioned regarding the 'students with dissabilities' office.

There are some things that may be out of our control, and systems like that can really help us overcome any difficulties we may face.

*EDIT - I JUST saw your edit regarding the office.

Have you ever tried any mindfulness exercises when you face anxiety like this?

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Jorge Bell posted:

While your anxieties are extremely legitimate, if they're interfering with your life in negative ways therapy absolutely could help with this. You may not even need formal therapy - support groups for people dealing with medical issues exist and based on the end of your post it might be extremely gratifying for you to just air things out with people in similar situations. Best case, you may even get some better info on how to navigate your poo poo.

Agreed - our own tolerance levels can really get in the way of our own progress. There's no shame in attending support groups, or therapy.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

I think my naltrexone prescription has kicked in. I was drinking and thought "eh, this is kinda boring, I want to do something else".

That is an amazing thought for me and incredibly freeing.

It's good to see you back on the thread!

How's everything going so far?

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

I'm doing pretty well! School is moving along, the IOP is useful and I'm doing my best not to let other people bother me and take me out of it. I think I'm going to explore going to a meeting this week.

I had a random panic attack a few days ago and I was able to work myself through it which was pretty amazing. previously, that would have been the end of my day/lead to getting pretty goddamn drunk

Super happy to hear about how you handled that panic attack ; Keep pushing and maintain that energy, friend - you've got this.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Consummate Professional posted:

Thank you! I try not to post my daily bitching in here because we all deal with it and I can usually handle it now.

This thread has been such a godsend and I wish the best in all things for everyone in here :unsmith:

No problem! and thank you for sharing your experiences thus far. Never hesitate to reach out!

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

DoubleDonut posted:

while looking for a therapist in my area, I've decided that one of the things I hate most in life is looking at lists of professional portraits

or maybe I'm just already stressed out to poo poo and latching on to something vaguely unsettling idk

My fiance works as an MFT - and we love poking fun at therapists who take themselves so seriously, that they have oil paintings of themselves in their office.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

samantonio posted:

Got accepted back to college today, got my FAFSA filled out and will probably get in touch with a counselor tomorrow to check out how I want to structure classes. This has been a major boost to the emotional state, though I am nervous.y last attempt at college was 13+ years ago, but feel ready this time.

I noticed the recruiter's signature line lists his pronouns he/him/his so a true marxist/cancel culture school. I should fit in lol.

Super ecstatic to see this, friend! I can imagine that 13 year gap really being daunting, but this is your chance to really capitalize on a huge chapter in your life. Let me know how it goes!

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Crazypoops posted:

also I think I'm going to make an appointment to a psychiatrist, I think I have ptsd from being a service worker during the pandemic

No shame in receiving or attempting to get help my friend. Thank you for what you've done, and what you continue to do.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Ball Tazeman posted:

It’s helpful just to know that somebody went through something similar.

I haven’t eaten and my stomach is in knots constantly. The waterproofers are coming for an estimate in two weeks, hopefully it won’t be more than $3000 in work because, well, that’s all the money we have.

My partner has sent me to my parents house for the time being to try to get my anxiety controlled while he and his family do some moving because I was vomiting bile and dry heaved for a half hour from panic.


God, I feel like dying.

Serious props for really taking that initiative towards waterproofing - I know how stressful those expenses can be, so I'll definitely be lifting you guys up through this!


Just as a side note, have you ever thought of creating or coloring mandalas to push through anxiety?

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Everything about homeownership is disproportionately stressful, perhaps because it's the biggest purchase you'll ever make. And every homeowner has had a fitful night or two because of it. Make sure you get multiple estimates from different people and you aren't paying for poo poo you don't want, some of those basement guys will upsell you on everything.

Agreed - I just spend $170 on seed, fertilizer, etc. and watching birds in my backyard try and pick it away gave me some hardcore anxiety sweats.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Sanguinary Novel posted:

Lol love to leave the doctor's office with a script for 20,000 IU vitamin D pills.

Its the offices that prescribe them in gummy form that you have to watch out for.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

endlessmonotony posted:

Try filling your sink with real cold water, then shove your face in for about half a minute. Or take a real cold shower.

Quick fix, but oughta help for a moment.

Some of the worst decisions I ever thought of making were curbed by this.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Zil posted:

Specifically it is called the Mammalian Dive Reflex/Response if you want to look up research on the subject.

Good to know - good stuff.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

erosion posted:

It's happened many times, but interestingly, not every time, sometimes I don't mind being out

I think taking the time to really itemize your day before you head to bed would really help.

Our tolerances can be really finnicky - and I can definitely understand any frustrations that come with situations where you feel like you should be good, only to end up having your day ruined by something/someone triggering that part of you that wants to "take flight".

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

erosion posted:

No, that's not it. I got really upset before we went out because she bought more groceries, and we already are out of room for what we have. Nothing gets rotated or cleaned, and the house is already a cluttered disaster.

So I have practically no control over my home environment, any cleaning or organizing I attempt is defeated within a day or two. The noise is unbelievable too, sometimes I have to put in earplugs to sleep or even eat. Add Cymbalta withdrawal to that.

So I'm already angry and we go to the restaurant. Get there and the noise level is unbearable, everyone just shouting for no reason, and I got a couple smug glances from maskless boomers. I had to bail because it was a horrible experience and I was the verge of beating the poo poo out of some rando.

Cymbalta can be a heavy mood stabilizer, and I can definitely understand how tough it is to really endure the obstacles that come with withdrawals. The withdrawal itself could be exacerbating what you're experiencing in real time when referring to your noise tolerances and irritability.


It could genuinely all be apart of detox journey your body is going through, but I don't think there's any harm with talking to your own physician about what you're experiencing to see if there's anything that could really help you combat what you're experiencing.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021


I didn't mean anything negative by it. All I meant, was that if there IS someone you can talk to on a regular basis - it may help.

Apologies in advance.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

erosion posted:

no worries I'm going for dark comedy

I've given up on the establishment, nothing but bad vibes there. that said, I might just have to suck it up and see someone because I might end up in jail.

If you ever feel like you can't suck it up, never hesitate to reach out before anyone ends up in that "jail" scenario my friend.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Ball Tazeman posted:

I’m sleeping and eating at least one meal a day now. I still have terrible panic attacks when I wake up, however I am convinced that our house is going to kill me in a multitude of ways

1. gas leak
2. mildew/mold
3. mouse infestation
4. bad foundation that will literally just crumble to the ground
5. Run us out of money
6. Washer/dryer has some sort of mold or mouse poop in it that will give me an infection and kill me
7. deadly spiders

Cw: self harm

Anyway I’m very very suicidal due to all this and the fear that the pandemic will literally never end. I literally hit up a crisis hotline every single day even though I haven’t found them particularly helpful. I’m just trying to hold out until I can see my psych tomorrow.

Just wanted to check in and see how you were feeling, friend.

Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Ball Tazeman posted:

A small update, but I’ve been in touch with a local mental health resource and they finally set me up with a case worker for an intake appointment. It’s in 10 days. Should I just keep calling the crisis line everyday until I get to that appointment? Currently, I’m set up where I’m never alone. My partner drops me off at my parents house before work and I go home with him in the afternoon, so I’m not going to do anything unsafe, but I feel like a prisoner in my own head all day.

It sounds like you have a safety plan until then (unless I'm reading something wrong here). If at any point you do feel like you can't contain or control what you're enduring, you could use the crisis line. Knowing your appointment is in ten days is a great thing - and I want to extend major props for taking the initiative to get help.


** P.S.

Steel wool and insulating foam will seriously help plug up any holes around the house. I had to take care of a few when I moved into this home.

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Josherino
Mar 24, 2021

Eat This Glob posted:

hello mental health thread. i hope you've all been well since i last posted ITT. i was hoping to pick y'alls brains a bit. i learned my bio dad was not the fella ive called dad all my life. no problem there. my dad is an absolute saint as far as I'm concerned.

turns out my bio dad died in his late 40s and had a couple of kids who survived him per his obituary. one had died via oversose between the biodad obit and me learning i have a different biological father than I thought.

the other kid, my half sister, is both local and fond of her dear departed pa if some minor Facebook lookilooery is to be believed.

the question is, do i let her know she has a surviving half brother? just let her live her life as she's always known it? i sure don't want to throw a wrench into her situation if I can help it. Do I stay quiet or reach out and say hey, I learned this a few years back and how'd you like to get a cup of coffee and learn more about each other?

her dad and brother both died from addiction issues so it isnt like id be enlightening her on family medical stuff she doesn't already know aside from my mental health stuff. just curious what you all think

I know every single situation can be different, but from my experience - It honestly did quite a bit of good for me.

My father passed away in 2012, and I only discovered who he was via an ancestry.com dna test that was given to me by my cousin for "fun".

If you approach it delicately with transparency, you could gain someone in your life that adds nothing but value to it. If it all goes wrong, you have the option to say "hey, at least I tried"

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